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Leolio
Profile Joined April 2012
France633 Posts
July 13 2016 14:03 GMT
#81
She was a bit too much an all around pick previously. Got a big map ? She can wreck in lane. Got a small map ? She has amazing teamfight potential.
Now she's PVE, but her PVP is far from bad. You still have that game changing ultimate, and very dangerous mutalisks.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 16:29:26
July 13 2016 16:26 GMT
#82
For me Gul'Dan is really fun, and definitely tier 1 hero. I don't think that he will have one build at all, even in competitive, his talents all seem good in right circumstances, depending on your and enemy picks, map being played, will you solo or roam etc.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 13 2016 17:59 GMT
#83
Played a few games now. TLV are stronger than ever with the bribe changes. Gul'dan is strong, but not broken. Horrify is really good if you hit it right. New Zagara is annoying to play against but more like a Zerg Gazlowe than what she used to be. The 50% minion buff is a lot better than the 100% one. Globe and well changes are pretty nice I think.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
July 13 2016 18:05 GMT
#84
Haven't played it myself yet, but insight Kharazim's sustain seems really insane.
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
July 13 2016 19:58 GMT
#85
Playing a bit more I think Kerrigan and Brightwing are the real pub stars now.

For kerrigan this build is so damn strong now:
http://www.heroesnexus.com/talent-calculator/12-kerrigan?filter-ptr=1#ZLQDPDfTKDqFMAA

The aoe damage of fury of the swarm + double strike is so good. Any 2+ man combo you land is just utter destrucion. And the sustain from assimilation mastery is really good, building up shields before key fights is still insane on some maps but only costs you 1 talent now basically.

For brightwing the trait build is a bit too good now:
http://www.heroesnexus.com/talent-calculator/26-brightwing?filter-ptr=1#LIISJIpIMSJSGSaAA

She heals so much now, in pub games where aoe healing is stronger than in pro games it's just insane.

These are the real winners this patch and I expect kerrigan especially to need a bit of a nerf as this fix was too much.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 20:29:28
July 13 2016 20:26 GMT
#86
MVP_Rich playing Medivh on BoE and on Garden of Terror.

His standard build is Stable portal - Bird's eye view - The master's touch - situational - astral projection - reabsorption - situational
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
July 14 2016 13:48 GMT
#87
On July 13 2016 23:03 Leolio wrote:
She was a bit too much an all around pick previously. Got a big map ? She can wreck in lane. Got a small map ? She has amazing teamfight potential.
Now she's PVE, but her PVP is far from bad. You still have that game changing ultimate, and very dangerous mutalisks.


But she was never the best at any of it, which made her a good allrounder and nothing was wrong with her ;_; . And now you even have to decide if you want to bring some sustain damage to a teamfight or a good ult. Oh well her numbers will be buffed to insane levels if Blizzard wants to see her again.

Like the Muradin changes No more get out of Prison card, but if you do you are back at full in no time. But i feel more talent restricted.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-14 14:29:35
July 14 2016 14:25 GMT
#88
So far Zaraga's win rate has gone up slightly since the patch and she is being picked or banned in 53.3% of all games, and the win rate is slightly higher at diamond and master with a 65% pick/ban rate so I don't think she is going anywhere. Also Maw is currently bugged and doesn't drag targets to the middle.

It's still early in the patch, but current highest win rate build is:
Corpse Feeders - Serrated Spines - Bile Drop - Nydus Network - Hydralisk Transfusion - Mutalisk - Endless Creep
MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
July 14 2016 15:25 GMT
#89
I tried zag in QM a few games, but I didn't find myself enjoying myself as much as old zag. I really hate nydus style play, I guess.
Don't Panic
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
July 14 2016 19:58 GMT
#90
played split push Zagara before, so I understand why people are failing against super PvE build Zagara. But since the style is enforced now and the best option, people will get used to cleaning up creep and Mutas. Which is easier now and also more important to do.

Slow banelings are killers though if one hits a hero without a reposition skill they are goners. The Banelings in general are a huge buff. Zagara is now the check bushes specialist, so preventing people from facechecking is probably worth 10% winrate, enforcing creepspread helps too probably. Zagara vs Zagara is a true nightmare though. Because Banelings are the ultimate creep counter.

So new banelings with the slow are fun.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 14 2016 20:40 GMT
#91
Had a Shrines game earlier where we had a drawn out fight on top lane which turned into a shrine contest. Because they were occupied with that, they didn't clear bot lane, which had lost the keep earlier (it was around level 18-19 at this point). Cue 4 catapults getting the core to 30%, so we just went all in and killed it with ease. Stupid. Forcing such emphasis on wave clear isn't promoting the more fun teamfight gameplay - and in their team's situation, they either had to clear it and lose top shrine which would probably amount to level 20, another keep, and likely the game, or not clear it and lose so much core HP they lose the game anyway.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-14 21:52:52
July 14 2016 21:47 GMT
#92
On July 15 2016 00:25 MotherFox wrote:
I tried zag in QM a few games, but I didn't find myself enjoying myself as much as old zag. I really hate nydus style play, I guess.

Just go devouring maw.
The auto attack lvl 4 is good and bane drop can actually do damage if you stack (read, if you have a stun/root comp). I managed to do 100k+ hero damage but the enemy Chen helped a lot with those attack and bane drop stacks. I had that 150% extra damage in no time.
Infest is also great.
She lost double hydra, but gained useful banes.
What i do miss is the creep spread and bolt of the storm.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-14 22:35:48
July 14 2016 22:23 GMT
#93
I really like gul'dan so far.
his fear heroic is really powerful. Hell, its always full duration even vs those with that "reduce cc" talent. And at 20 its 3sec.
His damage seems to be a bit lower than other mages. Like that he has good heals with talents.

Nice addition to hots imo.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
July 14 2016 23:04 GMT
#94
Am I the only one for whom this patch seems really buggy? Had a chen/chen tornado earlier (they kicked each other at the same time and never landed until we killed one), visual bugs with Kerrigan skins not showing her mounting up, my screen resolution has gone fubar and I now have to play in a windowed mode to avoid the zoomed in experience.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
July 14 2016 23:27 GMT
#95
On July 15 2016 08:04 Ghostcom wrote:
Am I the only one for whom this patch seems really buggy? Had a chen/chen tornado earlier (they kicked each other at the same time and never landed until we killed one), visual bugs with Kerrigan skins not showing her mounting up, my screen resolution has gone fubar and I now have to play in a windowed mode to avoid the zoomed in experience.

Of course not, lol. Every single of their big patches contained a ton of bugs, performances issues, now in this one I don't see the hero that is banned, my FPS actually drops heavily and so on...
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
July 14 2016 23:46 GMT
#96
On July 15 2016 08:27 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2016 08:04 Ghostcom wrote:
Am I the only one for whom this patch seems really buggy? Had a chen/chen tornado earlier (they kicked each other at the same time and never landed until we killed one), visual bugs with Kerrigan skins not showing her mounting up, my screen resolution has gone fubar and I now have to play in a windowed mode to avoid the zoomed in experience.

Of course not, lol. Every single of their big patches contained a ton of bugs, performances issues, now in this one I don't see the hero that is banned, my FPS actually drops heavily and so on...


Well it's actually the first time the bugs have been this extensive for me. But thanks for enlightening me.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 15 2016 00:47 GMT
#97
Yeah, this version is buggy as hell. Way more noticeable bugs than previous versions.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
July 15 2016 01:16 GMT
#98
Sonya is banned from Dreamhack as she has some weird double attack bug that breaks the game with Focused Attack and Follow Through as she one-shots something. Zagara's maw isn't working well, and many other things.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
July 15 2016 01:17 GMT
#99
On July 15 2016 10:16 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Sonya is banned from Dreamhack as she has some weird double attack bug that breaks the game with Focused Attack and Follow Through as she one-shots something. Zagara's maw isn't working well, and many other things.


Dreamhack is being played on a previous build of the game from my understanding.
Don't Panic
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
July 15 2016 01:20 GMT
#100
I'm so happy Sonya is banned. I mentioned in the live thread, I would love if the teams got to do set bans too, and just take out heroes from the whole set. Would make banning more interesting to me at least.
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