EPTGeneral Discussion Gul'dan patch - Page 3
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karazax
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Larkin
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NonY
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On July 07 2016 13:45 karazax wrote: Undocumented Tyrael changes on PTR Wow the new Tyrael sounds pretty fun to play. He's super unpopular on NA HL, though I gather he's picked elsewhere. With these lower cooldowns and his lowered mana costs, he's pretty tempting. Also his talents seem pretty good, like there are legit multiple ways to build him. Of course, hard to judge if that's really true until you actually try the different builds. | ||
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Cyanocyst
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Kerrigan - Seems like they are trying to greatly encourage building into her trait. By nerfing the value of the Q build, but..the friendly Q is big. Lunarna- I think Mage Lunarna could be a thing now. With the all the upgrades to her Q talents. Zagara - Seems their trying to make her in to a sudo global, that's less reliant on hunter killers for dmg. Sonya - Right now Sonya is still played like a Warrior, talking all sustain Talents. Wonder if we might see her played as an assasin. With the Level 1 talent merge, it'll be a lot easier to sustain Wrath indefinitely. | ||
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
Salvage (Trait) Will no longer dismount Gazlowe if used while mounted Yesssss! So glad they changed it back. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
this should be the current general discussion place, so I'm putting it here, hope that's the right spot. This ptr change does sound interesting. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
PTR fun with a bugged Zagara if you like. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Or yeah you stack Muta healing on a Merc camp lol. | ||
Valiver
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Ramiz1989
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On July 08 2016 00:21 NonY wrote: Wow the new Tyrael sounds pretty fun to play. He's super unpopular on NA HL, though I gather he's picked elsewhere. With these lower cooldowns and his lowered mana costs, he's pretty tempting. Also his talents seem pretty good, like there are legit multiple ways to build him. Of course, hard to judge if that's really true until you actually try the different builds. Yeah, that's what Blizzard did in this patch, buffed/reworked/moved a lot of low pick rate talents which resulted in many heroes having new builds which is awesome. Tyrael, Uther, Kerrigan, Azmodan, Abathur... all have quite a few different builds now but we will see how viable they really are. I have my concerns about Gul'Dan. As much as I like him and will be instant 15k gold buy for me, he seems like the best laner in the game and I don't think that he will be balanced at all. Other heroes either have good wave clear(Sylvana, Xul, KT) or great sustain(Illidan, Chen, Thrall, Tassadar), there aren't many that have both, and he seems to be one of the best(if not the best) at both. He won't be leaving the lane at all, you won't be able to outpush him, he will never run out of HP or mana, he won't even need to get the globes while he will have quite good zoning tools. Especially in the new patch where laning matters a lot because of new minions, globes and moon well, it looks like that he won't have anyone outshining him in that regard. At least he will be weak against ganks as he has no mobility but I don't expect any hero to be able to beat him in the lane. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
On July 08 2016 11:09 Valiver wrote: Blizzard said they are looking into that, I doubt it's going live how it is now. Not sure how you can really stack mutas on anything for more than a few mutas. Merc camps will kill the mutas when this gets fixed. There is no target dummy to stack infinite mutas on. You might be able to stack a few with the help of Morales healing the mutas. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On July 08 2016 13:00 Larkin wrote: Not even Chen? :o No, because Chen has pathetic wave clear, his strong side is staying in lane. However, with new patch Gul'Dan will simply destroy both of his towers with new minions since he can't outpush him, and I am pretty sure that he can't tank the damage of every minion + Gul'Dan spamming spells with infinite mana. Also Chen isn't nearly the best, there are quite a few heroes that do really well against him. This patch seems to lean towards specialists and heroes with good wave clear, while heroes that have amazing lane sustain will fall behind at least in laning stage. Having Chen/Thrall/Illidan on lane isn't really an option anymore since they will get outpushed hard by Sylvanas/Xul/Gul'Dan/Zagara/whatever with good wave clear and their towers will start to fall apart pretty soon after that which will give a big exp advantage to the enemy team. Objective popping out and your team being level 3 while enemy is level 4 because of those towers is kind of a big deal. We will see what happens, it isn't ruled out that people will start to gank solo laners a lot more often, giving their team advantage and a room to breath at the same time. | ||
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Leolio
France633 Posts
On July 08 2016 15:48 Thezzy wrote: Not sure how you can really stack mutas on anything for more than a few mutas. Merc camps will kill the mutas when this gets fixed. There is no target dummy to stack infinite mutas on. You might be able to stack a few with the help of Morales healing the mutas. Let's say you have Chen who just drinks in the middle of the bruiser camp, taking all aggro, not attacking at all. Zag doesn't attack either but spams hydras/mutas on CD. I think you can farm 3 or 4 early game on the camp only, more later with double charge (if it still exists). So you can easily abuse it for 4 or 5 following you into your next unsuspecting victim. I'm not worried because most AOE spells would erase the summons, but it can work on rare cases, like all cheeses. But now Zag can early solo (or duo with tank) bosses very efficiently. I can feel PVE Zag being a monster on Cursed Hollow. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
There is a cooldown reduction talent on 16 but that's the same talent tier as the Mutalisk talent. Not sure how Zagara is now better at solo-ing bosses. Roaches remain the same, the creep no longer heals you and the hydra does less damage. Maybe with all the Drop Pod talents and the Nydus Network creep giving you CD reduction per AA you could cycle through Drop Pod roaches quickly enough but other than that, Zagara won't have anything to tank the boss for her. | ||
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Leolio
France633 Posts
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MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
Loading Screens Gameplay tips will now display on loading screens when entering a match. Looks like someone took my advice. https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/4l6s66/loading_screens_should_have_friendly_teamwork/ | ||
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karazax
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FeyFey
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karazax
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