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ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 07:21:15
July 16 2015 07:20 GMT
#1
The tournament is a couple hours away and I didn't see a discussion thread, so I made this post for us to talk about the tournament.

Team Liquid, Gamers2, Navi, and Roccat will be participating. TL will be defending back to back DreamHack titles.

The bracket can be found here http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/DreamHack_2015/Valencia

First match between Navi and Gamers2 should start in about 2 hrs from this post.

Stream will be here http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhackheroes
Don't mind me
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
July 16 2015 08:01 GMT
#2
Liquid lost to Navi 3-1 in the Stormgrounds tournament about three days ago. So, I think Liquid is vulnerable of getting dethroned. However, Liquid could have been saving their strats for Valencia. Only time will tell.
Don't mind me
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
July 16 2015 09:32 GMT
#3
Yeah, this is gonna be interesting. Navi could win it but I still think Liquid is better right now and they are playing in Spain so we'll see what happens.
All I do is Stim.
RiZu
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore5715 Posts
July 16 2015 09:47 GMT
#4
Downtime in Hero is getting pretty ridiculous this day I swear there is 10 minutes break in between each games. Well hopefully they solve whatever problems they had on hand!
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
July 16 2015 10:10 GMT
#5
In G2 vs Navi: G2 is using a Nova comp (!) with success (!!)
How in the world is this happening?
Get off my lawn, young punks
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
July 16 2015 10:16 GMT
#6
G2 with a Nova comp takes game one over Navi. G2 seems to have Navi's number at dreamhacks.
Don't mind me
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
July 16 2015 10:16 GMT
#7
I'm not really interested in Hots ... I just want to the some old starcraft boys battle it out in TL vs Roccat :D
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
RiZu
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore5715 Posts
July 16 2015 10:46 GMT
#8
EU meta is a little too anti-aggro compared to the other region for sure.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
July 16 2015 11:14 GMT
#9
Great group of commentators and analysts. I like their chemistry.
Don't mind me
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 16 2015 11:19 GMT
#10
Hasu the enforcer
Neosteel Enthusiast
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 16 2015 11:34 GMT
#11
CAN I GET SOME TEAMLIQUID HYPE!!

TL vs Roccat is about to kick off.

Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 11:39:28
July 16 2015 11:37 GMT
#12
Hard game for TL they are playing against a combined force of 9 times EPS Champions
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
Garsecg
Profile Joined September 2014
United States129 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 11:40:55
July 16 2015 11:40 GMT
#13
I hope they change it in the future to make the draft a part of the production, it's such an integral part to strategy that you really lose out by not seeing it in real time.

EDIT: There they go!
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 16 2015 11:40 GMT
#14
On July 16 2015 20:37 TheNewEra wrote:
Hard game for TL they are playing against a combined 9 times EPS Champion


Haha, yeah.

I think TL is going to stomp roccat sorry socke / hasu <3 you still
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 16 2015 11:49 GMT
#15
No Sylvanas/Valla :o
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Garsecg
Profile Joined September 2014
United States129 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 12:10:48
July 16 2015 11:49 GMT
#16
GAME 1 on Garden of Terror

Team Liquid: Triple Specialist w/ Nazeebo, Zagara, Tyrael, Malfurion, and TLV
Team Roccat: Johanna, Jaina, Falstad, Tyrande, and Uther

I really want to see how the Vikings are played here, especially since they've been gutted.

EDIT:

Lessons so far:

-- Specialist advantage in the early game, if your team knows how to make the right decisions to take advantage of it, is quite powerful. Malfurion even got the moonier talent to do extra damage against minions, even with three specialists.

-- It looked like TLV were bunched together for the early game, then split out around level 7/10 to get a further xp advantage.

-- While the TF of Roccat appears strong, for the majority of the game, TL has been able to take TF at an advantage and the damage of specialists, along with their ability to self-peel heroes away (Nazeebo's spiders or Zagara's hydrants)
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 16 2015 11:51 GMT
#17
Man I got flamed so hard for picking a second specialist a few days ago, now TL does it as well.
Neosteel Enthusiast
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 16 2015 12:07 GMT
#18
I'm suprised how Roccat is not dead yet
Neosteel Enthusiast
integrity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1014 Posts
July 16 2015 12:09 GMT
#19
why is game sounds so low? makes it so hard to get excited about anything when you cant hear anything.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 16 2015 12:11 GMT
#20
Hmm does Roccat have stronger lategame?
Neosteel Enthusiast
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 16 2015 12:16 GMT
#21
Emphatic win by TL. One tower left for Roccat when the core went down, with only one of TL's own towers down.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 16 2015 12:33 GMT
#22
On July 16 2015 21:11 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Hmm does Roccat have stronger lategame?


It's the tradeoff you make with Vikings. Early game xp soak is crazy high (added by the fact TL goes Zagara) but they contribute a lot less in late game teamfights.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 14:49:11
July 16 2015 12:41 GMT
#23
Feel free to help keep the bracket and the rest of the page up to date.

And if you have any questions about how, join the #liquipedia IRC channel.

EDIT: forgot the wiki link http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/DreamHack_2015/Valencia
Administrator"Ambitious but rubbish!" - Jeremy Clarkson
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45973 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 12:53:34
July 16 2015 12:47 GMT
#24
TL soaking so hard while pushing Roccat off the tribute haha

annnnd sick boss steal by TL. Already way ahead.

Well that was extremely one-sided lol
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 13:11:10
July 16 2015 13:05 GMT
#25
On July 16 2015 21:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
TL soaking so hard while pushing Roccat off the tribute haha

annnnd sick boss steal by TL. Already way ahead.

Well that was extremely one-sided lol


Wasn't it just. Next match should be closer.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45973 Posts
July 16 2015 14:03 GMT
#26
Stream death...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 16 2015 14:06 GMT
#27
Somewhat depressing Though going by the twitch chat, I think world war three just broke out?
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45973 Posts
July 16 2015 14:19 GMT
#28
On July 16 2015 23:06 fruity. wrote:
Somewhat depressing Though going by the twitch chat, I think world war three just broke out?


Dunno what happened except for the fact that TL was rolling G2 in game one before the stream died and TL still ended up winning that game, so I'm assuming everything's going according to plan.

Game 2, TL going double healer with Uther + Rehgar!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45973 Posts
July 16 2015 14:37 GMT
#29
And unsurprisingly, TL goes undefeated through to the Grand Finals lol
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ahri
Profile Joined August 2010
Croatia24 Posts
July 16 2015 15:19 GMT
#30
Wiki says TL played without a tank first game. Is the setup from this thread correct?
Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open
Art_of_Kill
Profile Joined September 2003
Zaire1232 Posts
July 16 2015 15:32 GMT
#31
On July 17 2015 00:19 ahri wrote:
Wiki says TL played without a tank first game. Is the setup from this thread correct?

they used tyrael as the tank
TLT07 ===> *winner* <===TLT08
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10117 Posts
July 16 2015 16:34 GMT
#32
wow that was kinda anticlimatic
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland764 Posts
July 16 2015 16:34 GMT
#33
DK too stronk
-= Jaedong // HerO // HasuObs // Best // Rush =-
Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
July 16 2015 17:04 GMT
#34
Awesome to see Heyoka casting! But I'm a little disappointed with the caster line up in general.
Zealots, not zee-lots. | Never forget, KTViolet, Go)Space. | You will never be as good as By.Flash, and your drops will never be as sick as MMA.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
July 16 2015 17:09 GMT
#35
The viewership for one of the bigger offline tournaments is a bit depressing. I think the highest we hit today was 10k. I hope we can at least reach 20k for the finals.
Don't mind me
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 16 2015 17:26 GMT
#36
On July 17 2015 02:09 ptbl wrote:
The viewership for one of the bigger offline tournaments is a bit depressing. I think the highest we hit today was 10k. I hope we can at least reach 20k for the finals.


Is this really one of the bigger ones? It's a very small invited team lineup.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10117 Posts
July 16 2015 17:32 GMT
#37
On July 17 2015 02:26 Larkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 02:09 ptbl wrote:
The viewership for one of the bigger offline tournaments is a bit depressing. I think the highest we hit today was 10k. I hope we can at least reach 20k for the finals.


Is this really one of the bigger ones? It's a very small invited team lineup.

mid week
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
July 16 2015 17:44 GMT
#38
I can't remember the last time I saw Azmo win in comp play
Wat
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
July 16 2015 18:01 GMT
#39
Dang. Arthas seems so strong on Tomb. I never even gave him a second thought on that map.
Wat
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45973 Posts
July 16 2015 18:06 GMT
#40
Commercial for Vain Glory, a touchscreen MOBA... lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
July 16 2015 18:13 GMT
#41
Oh god 50+ gem Arthas dying with no one able to collect them
Wat
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
July 16 2015 18:16 GMT
#42
So, does this mean gamers2 have been dethroned from their second best status in Europe?
Don't mind me
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 16 2015 18:16 GMT
#43
TL will bitch slap them into next week during the finals, I'm confident of this! Sorry navi fans
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
July 16 2015 18:17 GMT
#44
On July 17 2015 03:16 fruity. wrote:
TL will bitch slap them into next week during the finals, I'm confident of this! Sorry navi fans


Least bold prediction of the year award goes to.......
Wat
Garsecg
Profile Joined September 2014
United States129 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 18:22:26
July 16 2015 18:20 GMT
#45
Last time they competed Navi beat Liquid 3-1, I wouldn't say predicting a TL win is too bold...especially since Navi is also carrying the momentum of defeating their three-time nemesis in Gamers2.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 16 2015 18:36 GMT
#46
On July 17 2015 02:44 Tenks wrote:
I can't remember the last time I saw Azmo win in comp play


Azmo is so sick
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 16 2015 18:39 GMT
#47
On July 17 2015 03:36 Larkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 02:44 Tenks wrote:
I can't remember the last time I saw Azmo win in comp play


Azmo is so sick


Yeah baby, if he gets those stacks up - taste for blood, for example with jo, then he's a monster late game.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
Garsecg
Profile Joined September 2014
United States129 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 18:47:39
July 16 2015 18:45 GMT
#48
TL 3-1, their smack talk was way better and I'm sure they've prepared not just for this tournament, but for navi.
Cnj
Profile Joined January 2008
United States5 Posts
July 16 2015 18:52 GMT
#49
Liquid fighting! Let's go GranPKT! Hoping for some close and exciting games still.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10117 Posts
July 16 2015 18:53 GMT
#50
blackscorp!!!! wow luci lost some weight
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 19:01:42
July 16 2015 19:01 GMT
#51
I'm gonna be bold and predict 3-0 for Liquid. Let's go!
Don't mind me
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
July 16 2015 19:34 GMT
#52
Navi forced into the LiLi pick. Liquid going for the double healers Malfurion and Uther.
Don't mind me
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 16 2015 19:41 GMT
#53
On July 17 2015 04:34 ptbl wrote:
Navi forced into the LiLi pick. Liquid going for the double healers Malfurion and Uther.


Weird draft from both sides, not standard that's for sure.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
July 16 2015 20:01 GMT
#54
What? They're playing up to five of these matches? Jesus Christ.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
July 16 2015 20:02 GMT
#55
Liquid won at the pick and ban phase. It was pretty much over after Navi was forced into LiLi.
Don't mind me
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 16 2015 20:21 GMT
#56
I wonder what Vortix's APM might be whilst playing Vikings? Might he have 4 camera groups (for the lanes) And spamming like a mad man between them whilst poking with Eric & the Fatty / Ranged dude (forget their correct names!). Or even though he could go StarCraft APM mode.. he doesn't need too?
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 16 2015 20:32 GMT
#57
Shame on Na'vi for playing like a bunch of pussies on BHB. No excuse for losing the game like this.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 16 2015 20:32 GMT
#58
god this fucking map
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
July 16 2015 20:33 GMT
#59
awww I missed a Nova game darn.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 16 2015 20:56 GMT
#60
haha that aoe taunt
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 21:12:28
July 16 2015 20:58 GMT
#61
Oh wow Tyrael is pretty good at annoying Azmodan with his stacking.

Also congrats TL
ZKtheMAN
Profile Joined March 2015
13 Posts
July 16 2015 21:12 GMT
#62
Gratz TL for winning at Dreamhack!
"Pick a god and pray!" -Frederick the Wary
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 16 2015 21:13 GMT
#63
Brutal display from TL. :-)
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
July 16 2015 21:13 GMT
#64
TL domination was like a good premade playing a random solo queue quick match team.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10117 Posts
July 16 2015 21:15 GMT
#65
i wonder how is the korean scene, TL looks unstopable with their current results
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4311 Posts
July 16 2015 21:34 GMT
#66
Another dominant performance. Did not seem close...

GJ!!! :D
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45973 Posts
July 16 2015 22:08 GMT
#67
Undefeated, TL too strong ^^ Congrats!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
July 16 2015 22:16 GMT
#68
On July 17 2015 06:15 Topin wrote:
i wonder how is the korean scene, TL looks unstopable with their current results


Isn't KR considered the worst between NA/EU/KR? Until we have real international play I'm not sure anyone knows for sure, though.
Wat
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-17 09:15:19
July 17 2015 09:14 GMT
#69
yeah TL just smashed it.
The cheering for them at the venue were pretty real.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Darkened
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Bulgaria105 Posts
July 17 2015 10:33 GMT
#70
Can't say I much enjoyed watching that tournament, the only decent series was the second Na'Vi vs. G2 one. And I really can't call it better than decent, since it wasn't anything special.
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
July 17 2015 10:41 GMT
#71
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Immersion_
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom794 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-17 11:23:21
July 17 2015 11:22 GMT
#72
On July 17 2015 19:41 Ty2 wrote:
I feel as though Blizzard is forcing Heroes too much to become an e-sport. If it has that potential then so be it. Maybe Blizzard is making Heroes like Sc2 a video game made to be an e-sport. Maybe they had this mentality during development.


I'm not convinced there's any other option for a blizzard moba, becoming a successful esport is a key factor for longevity of any exclusively online game of this nature these days, and its success will ultimately be judged by this, despite it being great fun to play regardless.
http://www.twitch.tv/sybar1te Sybarite#2581 - add me for Heroes games. .Play Hots and Overwatch currently. Feel free to add.
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