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Yosheekee
Profile Joined April 2011
France111 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 14:11:21
April 12 2015 13:14 GMT
#7981
I agree, i tried to think of something but you're right, people with less than 50% winrate will be disgusted and will stop playing as well. I'm just happy i'm not alone with this impression that the game will grant me victories and loss when needed... So easy to put me with beast or noobs when my winrate is not 50%.

EDIT : Just as expected. I started hero league with 5 wins and 1 loss. I kept wondering when i will have a losing streak. Just happened. Lost 8 in a row. At least now i know that i will win 2-3 times. Yay !
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 12 2015 16:21 GMT
#7982
anyone going to watch this heroes of the dorm thing? I'm curious how the broadcast will shape up
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
TheMcCannic
Profile Joined April 2015
3 Posts
April 12 2015 16:53 GMT
#7983
Is there going to be a live stream of Heroes of the Dorm which doesn't mean I have to pay for ESPN? I really want to watch this...
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 12 2015 17:04 GMT
#7984
I was under the impression this was easy to watch without having a cable subscription because that's how I saw the World Cup last year but I can't figure out how to watch it or get an account without paying so GUESS IM NOT WATCHING AFTER ALL
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
TheMcCannic
Profile Joined April 2015
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 17:06:22
April 12 2015 17:05 GMT
#7985
Serious did Blizz seriously sell out entirely to ESPN? SUCKS.

Can't even find a restream or anything on twitch. Help anyone?
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 17:08:52
April 12 2015 17:08 GMT
#7986
blizz seems to have made it completely inaccessable to anyone without access to ESPN, so i wouldnt get your hopes up.

edit: im a bit late...
TheMcCannic
Profile Joined April 2015
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 17:23:07
April 12 2015 17:08 GMT
#7987
Hey @Heyoka think I found it. http://www.twitch.tv/dantes_end

Please keep this on the down low
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 18:01:10
April 12 2015 18:00 GMT
#7988
On April 12 2015 10:11 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 09:37 Nizaris wrote:
just need one more hero to start hero league. which of the 7k one would be most useful? dont want a support (have lili an malfurion). I think its between Tyrael, Stitches, Zagara, Arthas or Sgt Hammer ? I've only played Zag And Tyrael, they're both ok but maybe the others are stronger ? Haven't really seen any good Arthas or Stitches in QM. I know its personal preferences but i think i read somewhere Stitches is really strong?

Get another support. The two you have are both comparatively weak, and you can never have too many supports in this two support meta. I'd get Uther.

took your advice and bought uther, won a hero league with him (at level 1 lol), think i like him. ty
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10124 Posts
April 12 2015 18:06 GMT
#7989
On April 13 2015 02:08 TheMcCannic wrote:
Hey @Heyoka think I found it. http://www.twitch.tv/dantes_end

Please keep this on the down low

thx!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 12 2015 18:54 GMT
#7990
On April 13 2015 03:00 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 10:11 xDaunt wrote:
On April 12 2015 09:37 Nizaris wrote:
just need one more hero to start hero league. which of the 7k one would be most useful? dont want a support (have lili an malfurion). I think its between Tyrael, Stitches, Zagara, Arthas or Sgt Hammer ? I've only played Zag And Tyrael, they're both ok but maybe the others are stronger ? Haven't really seen any good Arthas or Stitches in QM. I know its personal preferences but i think i read somewhere Stitches is really strong?

Get another support. The two you have are both comparatively weak, and you can never have too many supports in this two support meta. I'd get Uther.

took your advice and bought uther, won a hero league with him (at level 1 lol), think i like him. ty

Good choice. With all of his CC, Uther is like half support, half assassin. You can make so many plays with him.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 19:17:20
April 12 2015 19:10 GMT
#7991
Not the highest level of commentary - I think the average TL user is not the target-audiance :p But quite enjoyable Does anyone know if there are any bans?

EDIT: I would give everything for a minimap.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 12 2015 19:58 GMT
#7992
This is REALLY hard to watch without a minimap. No bans, as far as I'm aware.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 20:18:03
April 12 2015 20:16 GMT
#7993
ugh hero league badly needs to be solo queue only. i hate playing with groups so much. why do so many groups have such horrible communication? like at least half of the groups i play with are communicating privately and then have the audacity to say im not a team player. if i try to make calls myself, because there are literally 0 pings and 0 messages from everyone else, then i just get ignored. there has literally only been one group that actually treated me like a 5th team member, figuring out our comp with me in the draft and pinging for my benefit even though they're on voice comm.

i imagine they hate the solo queue players they get teamed with just as much as i hate them. but they're the ones at fault because there's NO chance of me making calls and leading the team as the solo player. if they don't do it, it doesn't get done. and they almost never do it. and it's often my high MMR dragging a bunch of newbs up to play against people who are better than them, and they need my calls and advice to win, so it's pretty much a no-win situation because they'll never follow my calls. i have to be the one to make a difference in the game, or else on average we're gonna lose much more than 50% of the time, and they just don't allow me to make a difference. sometimes i don't even know that they're grouped early on. i'll make a call and it'll just get ignored, and in retrospect it was almost always the right call, and then they resent me for it rofl. it's insane. i'm the bad guy for solo queuing and failing to read their minds and the fact that im actually right isn't the point!

btw, about the 50% win thing: i think an interesting way to think about it is if you play average, then you win 50% of the time, right? so let's say that's 10 wins and 10 losses. if you want to win 55% of the time and slowly climb, then for every 10 of your wins that you get without doing something extra good, 1 in 10 of your losses you need to make the difference for it to be a win. MOST of the time, you're gonna feel like you can't get anything important done. it's a very long term thing and it takes a while to see results. a streak of bad luck could nullify a week's worth of playing or set you behind when you deserve to be ahead.

i really think that paying attention to ranks and ratings and leagues and stuff is just a bad thing to do. those things are there to measure performance, but it's measuring your performance of your practice. there's no separating competing and practice for ladder players. once your MMR has settled and your newb gains have gone away, it's healthier to look at it as just practice, not a ladder climb, and let those measurements of your performance be viewed only on a macro scale (months and years). imagine that in 3 months, there's gonna be a week long ladder competition, and you're just practicing for that -- your current results don't matter. that is the mindset of improvement, and ultimately how you actually climb ranks. always be practicing for some ladder season that's never coming, while the current season means nothing.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 20:55:00
April 12 2015 20:53 GMT
#7994
I've had a similar thing on certain games when I play with a friend in QM.
In one game on Tomb of the Spider Queen we went as Zagara (my main) and he went Abathur.
Even though he was somewhat new with Abathur he did fine and we did the bottom lane together, going to mid if we needed to help the team with anything.

We had Stitches + Li Li in our lane so it was mostly my Zagara buffed with Symbiote and a few Locusts and together we communicated good locations for a bunch of Toxic Nests where I could kite them into. We got both Stitches and Li Li a few times with that and defended the lane well, not losing a tower. We'd keep an eye on mid to help if needed but since we already had Stitches and Li Li to contend with we mostly stayed in lane. After the first Spider Queens we managed to take down their towers, gate and fountain and got the Fort to half. Their Spider Queen didn't bring anything down in our lane but did manage to push in mid.

Enter Uther and Illidan (in mid and top) suddenly whining loudly that Zagara and Abathur are only staying in their lane and not helping the team. In the team scores both Uther and Illidan have several deaths and low damage numbers. That in itself isn't too much of an indicator but soon enough I saw Illidan solo-diving two heroes and dying as a result. They continue to flame and whine and be absolutely stupid in defending mid and lose the Fort to the next wave. We assist in defending and still manage to keep our lane intact.

They then randomly decide to go for Boss even though the enemy has no heroes down but we decide it's better to do a bad thing as a team than a good thing by ourselves. The enemy team quickly catches up and manages to kill us and take the Boss, courtesy of Illidan solo diving and Uther randomly giving Zagara Divine Shield which does almost nothing.
I manage to keep Tyrande (our fifth) alive with a Maw placement who suddenly chats a 'ty' and starts talking back to Uther and Illidan who blame everything on me and my friend and we lose the game shortly after.

The most annoying thing is that whenever we did the right team thing (going for merc camps at the right time, turning in coins together with Tyrande) we get flamed for not being in the lane, and when Illidan dies for the tenth time by solo diving the enemy team it's also our fault. In one case I was unable to turn in coins for a while because the enemy team had an advantage and slowly stocked up 25 gems, which Illidan ofcourse ranted about.
Whilst the enemy team at one point was taking mercs (which we knew thx to owl) I went in and sneaked out a gem exchange and got a wave in. Again, Illidan instantly flaming that I don't stick with the team even though he is just standing next to the core.

This game can be so much fun when the team grasps the basics, but I swear some people are just playing it to flame others and nothing else, or they are playing single player. In a game a few hours ago we had the most horrible Hammer I have yet to see. Literally AVOIDED every team fight intentionally, claiming Hammer should only push towers. Was never with the team, avoided the Mines half the time to solo push towers (getting killed every single time) and literally bad mouthed anyone, even when I only stated that if she wants to push, not to do it alone. Even when our core was being attacked, Hammer was solo pushing towers in bottom. In the end she went 4-14 and had a grand total of 10k hero damage.

Luckily most games are alright and a few are really good (if they aren't stomps) but every so often...I wonder why people are playing a team game.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
April 12 2015 22:06 GMT
#7995
On April 13 2015 05:53 Thezzy wrote:
I've had a similar thing on certain games when I play with a friend in QM.
In one game on Tomb of the Spider Queen we went as Zagara (my main) and he went Abathur.
Even though he was somewhat new with Abathur he did fine and we did the bottom lane together, going to mid if we needed to help the team with anything.

We had Stitches + Li Li in our lane so it was mostly my Zagara buffed with Symbiote and a few Locusts and together we communicated good locations for a bunch of Toxic Nests where I could kite them into. We got both Stitches and Li Li a few times with that and defended the lane well, not losing a tower. We'd keep an eye on mid to help if needed but since we already had Stitches and Li Li to contend with we mostly stayed in lane. After the first Spider Queens we managed to take down their towers, gate and fountain and got the Fort to half. Their Spider Queen didn't bring anything down in our lane but did manage to push in mid.

Enter Uther and Illidan (in mid and top) suddenly whining loudly that Zagara and Abathur are only staying in their lane and not helping the team. In the team scores both Uther and Illidan have several deaths and low damage numbers. That in itself isn't too much of an indicator but soon enough I saw Illidan solo-diving two heroes and dying as a result. They continue to flame and whine and be absolutely stupid in defending mid and lose the Fort to the next wave. We assist in defending and still manage to keep our lane intact.

They then randomly decide to go for Boss even though the enemy has no heroes down but we decide it's better to do a bad thing as a team than a good thing by ourselves. The enemy team quickly catches up and manages to kill us and take the Boss, courtesy of Illidan solo diving and Uther randomly giving Zagara Divine Shield which does almost nothing.
I manage to keep Tyrande (our fifth) alive with a Maw placement who suddenly chats a 'ty' and starts talking back to Uther and Illidan who blame everything on me and my friend and we lose the game shortly after.

The most annoying thing is that whenever we did the right team thing (going for merc camps at the right time, turning in coins together with Tyrande) we get flamed for not being in the lane, and when Illidan dies for the tenth time by solo diving the enemy team it's also our fault. In one case I was unable to turn in coins for a while because the enemy team had an advantage and slowly stocked up 25 gems, which Illidan ofcourse ranted about.
Whilst the enemy team at one point was taking mercs (which we knew thx to owl) I went in and sneaked out a gem exchange and got a wave in. Again, Illidan instantly flaming that I don't stick with the team even though he is just standing next to the core.

This game can be so much fun when the team grasps the basics, but I swear some people are just playing it to flame others and nothing else, or they are playing single player. In a game a few hours ago we had the most horrible Hammer I have yet to see. Literally AVOIDED every team fight intentionally, claiming Hammer should only push towers. Was never with the team, avoided the Mines half the time to solo push towers (getting killed every single time) and literally bad mouthed anyone, even when I only stated that if she wants to push, not to do it alone. Even when our core was being attacked, Hammer was solo pushing towers in bottom. In the end she went 4-14 and had a grand total of 10k hero damage.

Luckily most games are alright and a few are really good (if they aren't stomps) but every so often...I wonder why people are playing a team game.


It's stories like this that make me wish someone famous and credible makes a video targetted to the really new players out there. This video would systematically address all of the bad things that these players do, why it's terrible and what they should be doing instead.

If we had such a video, then we can keep pushing it until the information becomes the basic knowledge that everyone has.

The problem with the content that is available now is that it is usually geared towards the informed audience. A new player can watch those videos and see examples of good-to-great play and decisions, but not understand why bad plays and decisions aren't made.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
April 12 2015 22:13 GMT
#7996
I think match-making is completely screwed on EU atm. I'm getting 1 point per win and i'm losing like 10-14. It's happening to others i know, this is pretty amusing.
hi
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 12 2015 22:31 GMT
#7997
On April 13 2015 07:06 kingjames01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 05:53 Thezzy wrote:
I've had a similar thing on certain games when I play with a friend in QM.
In one game on Tomb of the Spider Queen we went as Zagara (my main) and he went Abathur.
Even though he was somewhat new with Abathur he did fine and we did the bottom lane together, going to mid if we needed to help the team with anything.

We had Stitches + Li Li in our lane so it was mostly my Zagara buffed with Symbiote and a few Locusts and together we communicated good locations for a bunch of Toxic Nests where I could kite them into. We got both Stitches and Li Li a few times with that and defended the lane well, not losing a tower. We'd keep an eye on mid to help if needed but since we already had Stitches and Li Li to contend with we mostly stayed in lane. After the first Spider Queens we managed to take down their towers, gate and fountain and got the Fort to half. Their Spider Queen didn't bring anything down in our lane but did manage to push in mid.

Enter Uther and Illidan (in mid and top) suddenly whining loudly that Zagara and Abathur are only staying in their lane and not helping the team. In the team scores both Uther and Illidan have several deaths and low damage numbers. That in itself isn't too much of an indicator but soon enough I saw Illidan solo-diving two heroes and dying as a result. They continue to flame and whine and be absolutely stupid in defending mid and lose the Fort to the next wave. We assist in defending and still manage to keep our lane intact.

They then randomly decide to go for Boss even though the enemy has no heroes down but we decide it's better to do a bad thing as a team than a good thing by ourselves. The enemy team quickly catches up and manages to kill us and take the Boss, courtesy of Illidan solo diving and Uther randomly giving Zagara Divine Shield which does almost nothing.
I manage to keep Tyrande (our fifth) alive with a Maw placement who suddenly chats a 'ty' and starts talking back to Uther and Illidan who blame everything on me and my friend and we lose the game shortly after.

The most annoying thing is that whenever we did the right team thing (going for merc camps at the right time, turning in coins together with Tyrande) we get flamed for not being in the lane, and when Illidan dies for the tenth time by solo diving the enemy team it's also our fault. In one case I was unable to turn in coins for a while because the enemy team had an advantage and slowly stocked up 25 gems, which Illidan ofcourse ranted about.
Whilst the enemy team at one point was taking mercs (which we knew thx to owl) I went in and sneaked out a gem exchange and got a wave in. Again, Illidan instantly flaming that I don't stick with the team even though he is just standing next to the core.

This game can be so much fun when the team grasps the basics, but I swear some people are just playing it to flame others and nothing else, or they are playing single player. In a game a few hours ago we had the most horrible Hammer I have yet to see. Literally AVOIDED every team fight intentionally, claiming Hammer should only push towers. Was never with the team, avoided the Mines half the time to solo push towers (getting killed every single time) and literally bad mouthed anyone, even when I only stated that if she wants to push, not to do it alone. Even when our core was being attacked, Hammer was solo pushing towers in bottom. In the end she went 4-14 and had a grand total of 10k hero damage.

Luckily most games are alright and a few are really good (if they aren't stomps) but every so often...I wonder why people are playing a team game.


It's stories like this that make me wish someone famous and credible makes a video targetted to the really new players out there. This video would systematically address all of the bad things that these players do, why it's terrible and what they should be doing instead.

If we had such a video, then we can keep pushing it until the information becomes the basic knowledge that everyone has.

The problem with the content that is available now is that it is usually geared towards the informed audience. A new player can watch those videos and see examples of good-to-great play and decisions, but not understand why bad plays and decisions aren't made.

This is actually my next project, though it will be written (and I don't qualify as famous).
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 12 2015 23:12 GMT
#7998
xDaunt you are famous in my heart
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 12 2015 23:52 GMT
#7999
the Dorm thingie is quite interesting to watch. Sad its so hard to watch.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
April 13 2015 02:04 GMT
#8000
Yeah, it has been pretty fun so far.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
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