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Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 16 2015 19:31 GMT
#5281
Blizzard's official stance is they want most of your gold to come from daily quests because that way you have more reliable income. Like "I'll have 5000 gold in 10 days" instead of "I'll have 5000 gold in 30 games."
Wat
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
January 16 2015 19:57 GMT
#5282
So I tried playing this game and I didn't even want to continue after the tutorial.

The performance of this game is pretty bad. As in I have a GTX 670 so DOTA/CS/LOL/Smite all run minimum 60fps but HotS dips below all the time. And I'm sitting here like wtf is this because even turning all the setting to low had negligible effect on the framerate and I realize right this is the SC2 engine. Eugh.

Add that to the fact that the game doesn't support mouse buttons and it's just a sloppy piece of work I've lost all interest in.

Yes I know it's a "beta" but still...
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
January 16 2015 20:31 GMT
#5283
But still what? They just came out of alpha and the game has actually seen massive overhauls even in the time I've been playing it. It wasn't so long ago that it was a straight UMS with shit UI and a lot of boring/broken heroes. It's improved massively over the last few months, and I wouldn't be surprised if those issues get a serious look at, if not an outright fix.
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
January 16 2015 20:37 GMT
#5284
On January 17 2015 03:16 Jetaap wrote:
So i win 30 gold for a game and heroes are like 10 000 gold? This is the best way to ensure i'll never spend a dime on this game ...
Also this game is so confusing for me, every game feels like "oh we're losing, oh nevermind we're winning oh we have an advantage not really oh fine we lost"


Level heroes to the 500 gold while doing dailies. You make gold fairly quickly. If you're always getting the guys on rotation leveled, you can get a lot of bank quickly without buying to many.

Of course, I bought the Nexus pack on the "spend on FTP what i would spend to buy this game if it were not FTP" theory. But outside of that my gold gain seems decent.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
January 16 2015 21:21 GMT
#5285
Just a question. Is Illidan kind of like zeratul in that he has super low (well not that low but not top) hero damage on the chart but it has a lot of influence on kills, or am i doing something wrong?
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
January 16 2015 21:37 GMT
#5286
On January 17 2015 05:31 Yoav wrote:
But still what? They just came out of alpha and the game has actually seen massive overhauls even in the time I've been playing it. It wasn't so long ago that it was a straight UMS with shit UI and a lot of boring/broken heroes. It's improved massively over the last few months, and I wouldn't be surprised if those issues get a serious look at, if not an outright fix.


Well if this was a beta for the latest Battlefield I'd expect framerate issues, but not a casual moba. And I've never launched a game that doesn't recognize Mouse4 and Mouse5. It's just sloppy.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 16 2015 21:42 GMT
#5287
On January 17 2015 06:21 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
Just a question. Is Illidan kind of like zeratul in that he has super low (well not that low but not top) hero damage on the chart but it has a lot of influence on kills, or am i doing something wrong?

You are doing something wrong. Illidan has is a sustained damage dealer, meaning that he has to be actively fighting at all times to make any meaningful contribution. Zeratul is a burst damage dealer, who has to pick his spots.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
January 16 2015 22:40 GMT
#5288
Yeah, thats what i started to see when i played more of him, looks like i'll have to practice more.

Also, metamorphosis or the hunt? I thought the hunt was better from comments on reddit, however according to hotslogs talent section, everyone on master picks methamorphosis.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 16 2015 22:41 GMT
#5289
On January 17 2015 07:40 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
Yeah, thats what i started to see when i played more of him, looks like i'll have to practice more.

Also, metamorphosis or the hunt? I thought the hunt was better from comments on reddit, however according to hotslogs talent section, everyone on master picks methamorphosis.

Meta is better 95% of the time. The only exception is if your team wants to go heavy on split pushing and asymmetric strategies.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-16 23:11:42
January 16 2015 23:11 GMT
#5290
Alright thanks, lesson learned, never trust reddit lol.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-17 00:06:00
January 17 2015 00:03 GMT
#5291
Reddit is like 99% bronze players that think they are good, proceed to ignore ALL advice gained from that place.

Edit: To answer your question, ALWAYS meta. NEVER the hunt. Meta is god.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 17 2015 00:36 GMT
#5292
One more quick note on Thrall. At deth2munkies' suggestion, I checked out the mana tide talent a bit more with the windfury build. It is, indeed, very strong come late game. It doesn't really kick in until level 13 when you get double stacks from windfury. I think you should take it over envenom if you expect either 1) a long, drawn out game, or 2) you are going to be doing a lot of tanking. Take envenom when you expect a short game (like Haunted Mines).
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
January 17 2015 08:00 GMT
#5293
Illidan is a really weak hero. He's a squishy melee dps without the huge steriods that say, a Master Yi or Tryndamere gets. He requires a team built around him, but the payoff isn't high.

xDaunt is right. With Illidan's contribution, what you see is what you get. And even in master league, Illidans are worth less to their team than another hero. (sorry xDaunt)

Unfortunately, Blizz cant buff Illidan much. At high elos, people just laugh and 1v1 him. At low elos, people run from Illidan. (to be fair to Reddit, hunt is really good at stomping scrubs)

Illidan may be fun. However, if you only want to win, your time will be better spent practising other heroes.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
January 17 2015 09:41 GMT
#5294
illidan is pro
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
January 17 2015 09:41 GMT
#5295
in the hands of a pro
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-17 12:53:16
January 17 2015 12:52 GMT
#5296
On January 17 2015 17:00 cascades wrote:
Illidan is a really weak hero. He's a squishy melee dps without the huge steriods that say, a Master Yi or Tryndamere gets. He requires a team built around him, but the payoff isn't high.

xDaunt is right. With Illidan's contribution, what you see is what you get. And even in master league, Illidans are worth less to their team than another hero. (sorry xDaunt)

Unfortunately, Blizz cant buff Illidan much. At high elos, people just laugh and 1v1 him. At low elos, people run from Illidan. (to be fair to Reddit, hunt is really good at stomping scrubs)

Illidan may be fun. However, if you only want to win, your time will be better spent practising other heroes.



I disagree. I think Illidan is tier 2 right now, assuming you actually play him like he's supposed to. He faces the same problems as abathur, he's so hard to play that he often comes off as weak, then when someone with a decent brain and understanding of his kit comes around, he suddenly shines a lot more. But yeah, if you play him for a shitty The Hunt build, he is low tier 3.
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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
January 17 2015 13:35 GMT
#5297
On January 17 2015 18:41 TT1 wrote:
in the hands of a pro


everything is a pro in hands of a pro, it is the main concept

When u are a melle asassin, u must have a substantial survival ability or a few supports like abathur/tassadar. Otherwise u are the first target and the first victim consequently.
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
January 17 2015 15:02 GMT
#5298
On January 17 2015 22:35 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 18:41 TT1 wrote:
in the hands of a pro


everything is a pro in hands of a pro, it is the main concept

When u are a melle asassin, u must have a substantial survival ability or a few supports like abathur/tassadar. Otherwise u are the first target and the first victim consequently.


Yeah, in situations where you go for a full squishy build, you probably want a team to build around you (tier 3). But with First Aid, Metamorphosis and Blood for Blood, you should be fine, unless you like to Faker it up :3
hi
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-17 15:57:30
January 17 2015 15:04 GMT
#5299
- About Thrall, i was under the impression he is ok, but not a very strong choice. But then i saw a couple of good ones and realized he is damn good.

- Playing abathur i felt like he was nerfed hard. Not sure if he is still strong but i doubt he will be a first ban from now on. The monstrosity is just weak. Symbiote is potentially stronger with the new talent tree, but you cannot use it while on the much weaker ultimate evolution. Bad ultimates = bad abathur.

- And Lili nerf? I think she is better despite the noticeable and annoying range reduction on healing brew. There is no overlap on healing brew and blinding wind talents. Kung fu hustle is nice too, but not sure if its the way to go. Spamming blinding wind with slow talent and healing brew seens like a viable option over ultimate and im having fun with that. Some Lilis are doing nice damage to compensate for her lack of burst heal.

- Finally, Sky Temple is a good looking map. But im not a big fan, its all about teamfights in the shrines and it takes forever to move around. The interesting feature is when two shrines activate at the same time, but when both teams agree to hold different ones... ¬¬
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-17 22:35:28
January 17 2015 20:49 GMT
#5300
OMG im so frustrated right now, how the fuck is it possible that people with 10+ heroes being lvl 40, play rankedd and don't know anything, like i just had a game where our team had already 2 warriors, the last guy wants to pick chen, we only have one dps and they go "nah man, 3 warriors is fine" and im like "no its not fine" argh on in draft mode you have the chance to choose a good composition, why chose a bad one?. Then on the match, they doesn't stun nazeebo (i dont have any stun), focus the warriors, take merc camps when the shrines are up and the enemy has control of both instead of defending mid.

Why?

U.u it looks like i won't ever be able to win with arthas, my main (66% winrate on hotslogs before patch with him), on ranked unless i play with friends. Dam im so mad right now.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
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