EPTOn January 13 2015 06:57 deth2munkies wrote:
The patch is tomorrow and they don't have the notes out yet?
The patch is tomorrow and they don't have the notes out yet?
Yep :-/
Want to know if they nerf Chen to the ground. Hopefully they won't.
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Swisslink
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Yep :-/ Want to know if they nerf Chen to the ground. Hopefully they won't. | ||
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lestye
United States4163 Posts
On January 13 2015 06:57 deth2munkies wrote: The patch is tomorrow and they don't have the notes out yet? :-\ Kinda crappy that the skin catalog > patch notes atm. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On January 13 2015 07:38 mordek wrote: You only need 10 heroes for the serious mode... aka not casual  i played 1s and 2s in sc2 in masters league when i played them seriously, i like shiny things that tell me my mmr/placement. i just didnt expect i would need similar time investment in game like heroes. i was looking forward to challenging myself to reach masters, or whatever it will be called, and now i find out i cant even compete until i go full tryhard. so yeah, i didnt mean casual=non-competitive, i meant casual=not really time consuming to compete edit: i just saw mod note and laughed more than i should have. sorry modz ^_^ | ||
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DPK
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Wuster
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Hero League and Quick Play are the same thing except for draft mode versus pre-select and a number next to your name. Internally they both have MMR that if you care about you can find on HotsLog or heroes.gg or whatnot (Hero League won't actually show you your MMR either just like all Blizzard games). That said, I understand that people want to play where all the 'good' players are, but is it really that hard to get 10 heroes? I've been playing for just over a month and hit level 20. Doesn't seem like I've been power gaming and I have over 20k gold so far (haven't bought a hero yet, free rotation is enough for me until I actually need them). This is with 3 heroes at 5+ too. Gold'll be tight to get a 'good' set of 10 heroes by the time I'm level 30, but so maybe it's time to grind some more hero's to 5+. Edit: Mistyped my gold amount, changes things a bit lol. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On January 11 2015 06:03 Yoav wrote: So for the sake of silliness, what should the tiers be? Starcraft: + Show Spoiler + Kerrigan Zeratul Tassadar Zagara Nova Raynor Tychus Hammer Abathur Diablo: + Show Spoiler + Diablo Tyrael Azmodan Valla Nazeebo Sonya Warcraft + Show Spoiler + Arthas Jaina Thrall Tyrande Malfurion Illidan Rehgar Chen Muradin Falstad Li Li Gazlowe Murky Brightwing Stitches OVERALL + Show Spoiler + Demigod Tier Diablo Tyrael Azmodan Kerrigan Arthas Super Powerful Magically-Imbued Tier Zeratul Valla Nazeebo Sonya Jaina Thrall Tyrande Malfurion Illidan Powerful Magical Tier Tassadar Zagara Nova Rehgar Chen Muradin Falstad Powerful Mortal Tier Raynor Tychus Li Li Gazlowe Stitches Soldier Tier Hammer Brightwing Trash Mob Tier Abathur Murky A revision in light of comments. Some heroes are listed several times with caveats. Asterisks mark my guess at the heroes currently represented in game. What should the tiers be? + Show Spoiler + Universe Shattering + Show Spoiler + Prime Evil Diablo (as Prime Evil D3) Demigod Tier * Diablo (as Lord of Terror D2) *Tyrael (as Angel D2) *Azmodan Ascended Mortals *Kerrigan (as Queen of Blades) Tassadar (as Adun) Thrall (with Crystal Dragon Jesus powers) Faction Level + Show Spoiler + Large Faction-Level Strength Zeratul (as space Prophet) Tassadar (as Executor) *Arthas (as Lich King) Medium Faction-Level Strength *Raynor (with Raiders) *Zagara (with Char brood) *Abathur (as Zerg Evolution Master) Malfurion (as defender of World Tree WC3) Small Faction-Level Strength Tyrande (as NElf leader WC3) Malfurion (as NElf leader WoW) Arthas (as Death Knight WC3) Illidan (with Naga Army TFT) Jaina (as Alliance leader WC3) Magical Level + Show Spoiler + Very Powerful Magical Tier Kerrigan (alone) *Valla *Nazeebo *Sonya Powerful Magical Tier *Tassadar (as Mortal/Alone SC1) *Zeratul (alone) Arthas (as Paladin/alone) *Thrall (alone) *Illidan (alone) *Jaina (alone) *Malfurion (alone) *Tyrande (alone) Magical Tier *Nova Kerrigan (ghost) Zagara (alone) *Chen *Muradin *Falstad *Rehgar Mortal + Show Spoiler + Powerful Mortal Tier Raynor (alone) *Tychus *Li Li *Gazlowe Soldier Tier *Stitches *Hammer *Brightwing Trash Mob Tier Abathur (alone) *Murky | ||
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riotjune
United States3393 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 13 2015 06:59 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Going by dota anyone who ends up playing them. Personally I think Uther is a lot of fun, but I wouldn't pick him in a rank 50 game where my allies are going to be stupid since he does no damage. Tassadar doesn't count as a support either. He might have map hack, but his shield doesn't provide nearly the same healing as any of the other supports. He's more of a hybrid like Abathur. I don't think "support" heroes are the same in HotS as they are in LoL and DotA. Because there are no items, supports stay relevant throughout the game. I also think that they can carry teams. Good Uthers and Brightwings (and Tassadars) are perfectly capable of winning games outright for their teams in a way that you won't see from supports in those other games. People haven't quite figured this out yet, but once they do, I don't think that "support" will have the same stigma in HotS that we are accustomed to in other MOBAs. | ||
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DPK
Canada487 Posts
On January 13 2015 09:07 Wuster wrote: It's interesting that people keep talking about heroes league as the only thing that matters. What have we been playing for months now? It has an MMR too. It's a shame that it's hidden though, maybe they can expose that going forward to give people a feel for how they're doing outside of Hero League, but to call that casual or non-competitive isn't exactly accurate. Hero League and Quick Play are the same thing except for draft mode versus pre-select and a number next to your name. Internally they both have MMR that if you care about you can find on HotsLog or heroes.gg or whatnot (Hero League won't actually show you your MMR either just like all Blizzard games). That said, I understand that people want to play where all the 'good' players are, but is it really that hard to get 10 heroes? I've been playing for just over a month and hit level 20. Doesn't seem like I've been power gaming and I have over 30k gold so far (haven't bought a hero yet, free rotation is enough for me until I actually need them). This is with 3 heroes at 5+ too. Gold'll be tight to get a 'good' set of 10 heroes by the time I'm level 30, but I honestly expect account level not gold to be my limiting factor for entering Hero League. It's the only thing that matter for people who want a more competitive environment to play in. Draft mode makes the game a lot more competitive since you're able to choose your team comp and also counter pick as opposed to casual where you get mix with other people who picked random heroes and where you're often stuck with a bad team comp vs a better one and you often have no chances of winning (given that people skills are similar). So yeah, calling it casual or non-competitive is 100% accurate. | ||
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Wuster
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On January 13 2015 06:41 xDaunt wrote: Haha, I hear ya. I just don't play ADC-type heroes. I like tanks, bruisers, and burst heroes. I haven't even played Valla and Raynor (both are sitting at level 1). Given how popular the ranged assassin role is in HotS, I figure that I can convince others to take care of it for me. With First Aid, Stoneskin and Odin Tychus bruisers more than most bruisers | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On January 13 2015 10:06 Tenks wrote: With First Aid, Stoneskin and Odin Tychus bruisers more than most bruisers Yeah, tank Tychus is just ridiculous because he still puts out an amazing amount of damage. | ||
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Brian333
657 Posts
On January 13 2015 04:58 Wuster wrote: New Beta preview out: Of note they specifically call out: Falstad, Abathur and Lili as getting big changes. Curious to see how they'll change. I'm sure the other heroes are going to get a whole list of turning changes though (*cough* Tychus *cough*, and *fingers crossed* Jaina) I'm surprised how little discussion there is about this trailer. First things first the tutorial... finally. Having a total garbage tutorial has forced other players to teach players and that has lead to so much toxicity on all levels. Fixing that is a huge step forward. Second, Raynor's attack sound is now a standard gauss rifle sound? They said they were changing Raynor and I wonder if this is more than just a change in sound effect. Falstad... he felt fine. He was strong, but his kit felt fine. I wonder if this is just a change to Aerial Blitzkrieg which was totally unusable. It looks like a directional displacement like emerald wind. Abathur's new ability looks like a new "ult" where it buffs his symbiote target in some way? An R that you use while symbioted? It fits what Blizzard has previously revealed about their ideas for a new Abathur ult. You see Abathur in a cocoon, you see the symbiote hat on his target. Lili looks to have more utility now with some type of ally buff. | ||
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DPK
Canada487 Posts
On January 13 2015 09:40 Wuster wrote: It's more competitive, but it's not the most competitive, so it seems petty to knock versus mode as useless. Team League is going to be the most competitive. You're still pugging the majority of time you're in Heroes League, especially once Team League is out. Yeah it sure isn't the most competitive, team league will always be and sure you will still probably pugging the majority of the time even in Heroes Leagues but if you want to take the game "semi-seriously", Heroes League is where you will play because it's just more enjoyable for the reasons I listed before. I'm not saying that versus mode is useless, but it's the casual play mode for HotS because it doesn't have a draft mode. | ||
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Brian333
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sushiko
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 13 2015 11:49 sushiko wrote: It's a bummer that team league isn't out yet, I hope hero league implements mm rules so that parties of similar sizes get matched. I'm thinking of adding another section to the TL player sheet for those that hit 30/40 and have at least 10 heroes. It'll also be nice to know which heroes or roles we prefer to play. Added a second sheet to TL player list for ranked player list. Same party size was already announced as a matchmaking parameter. | ||
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United States17988 Posts
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