EPTedit: the bloodmage has mana drain in warcraft3 but they will probably make Kael'Thas with a mix of his warcraft3 and wow skills and let manadrain go.
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
edit: the bloodmage has mana drain in warcraft3 but they will probably make Kael'Thas with a mix of his warcraft3 and wow skills and let manadrain go. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
Also, I ranked everybody based on actual combat ability. Obviously Raynor is more powerful than Tychus if you count his leadership skills, just as Tassadar goes above Zeratul, and Thrall goes above Jaina (holds onto power after story's end, keeps his guys in line). Similarly, Abathur could conceivably go up based on non-combat skills (HotS campaign is a lot harder (but still easy) if you play without his help.) Maybe I should make another ranking accounting for leadership/politicalpower/techskills? + Show Spoiler + Yay more lists! | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On January 11 2015 06:03 Yoav wrote: So for the sake of silliness, what should the tiers be? Starcraft: + Show Spoiler + Kerrigan Zeratul Tassadar Zagara Nova Raynor Tychus Hammer Abathur Diablo: + Show Spoiler + Diablo Tyrael Azmodan Valla Nazeebo Sonya Warcraft + Show Spoiler + Arthas Jaina Thrall Tyrande Malfurion Illidan Rehgar Chen Muradin Falstad Li Li Gazlowe Murky Brightwing Stitches OVERALL + Show Spoiler + Demigod Tier Diablo Tyrael Azmodan Kerrigan Arthas Super Powerful Magically-Imbued Tier Zeratul Valla Nazeebo Sonya Jaina Thrall Tyrande Malfurion Illidan Powerful Magical Tier Tassadar Zagara Nova Rehgar Chen Muradin Falstad Powerful Mortal Tier Raynor Tychus Li Li Gazlowe Stitches Soldier Tier Hammer Brightwing Trash Mob Tier Abathur Murky Tyrael, Azmodan and Diablo are Gods in everything but the name. granted, diablo became more powerful with the black soulstone (which is shattered) because he "united" with all the other rulers of hell and the power of tyrael is questionable since he became mortal. malfurion the arch druid could be considered demigod tier, he killed archimonde and wields very powerful magic. i havent followed the wow lore too closely but thrall wielded some fancy magic with the dragonsoul, so maybe he is up there with the rest. tassadar in his finest (and last) moments united the energies of the dark and high templars to kill the overmind. he's definitely one, if not two tiers higher than you listed him. on the other hand: i reall hope that blizzard learned their lesson with mana drain/burn spells from wacraft 3. it's simply not fun to play against a manaburner. it's also really hard to balance it since the DH (war 3) was overpowered more often than not. (maybe only overshadowed by the BM) | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
Kinda interesting, are they going to add some old heros, like Mefisto/Baal and some others. | ||
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Brian333
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 12 2015 10:17 Brian333 wrote: Just a few days until match-making hopefully isn't such complete garbage. Ranked is going to be dreadful for at least a week when it first releases. When everyone is stacked up at rank 50 the games are going to be very very bad. | ||
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Brian333
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Being 40/30 wont guarantee you are good, and since it will have a different MMR we will all start from the same point. That means that guy which got to 30 and had 2 heroes and bought 8 with real money will be playing in the same team as Idra and Cloud 9. We well be caught somewhere in between, so it will be basically luck based, at least at the start. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 12 2015 13:13 xDaunt wrote: I still see some really stupid players at high diamond / master level, so things definitely aren't great as they stand. It will be interesting to see what the ranked population is like at the outset. I suspect that it will be pretty bad. The only silver lining is that, all things being equal, there will be as many retards on the enemy team as there are on your team on average. My strategy will be to whore the hell out of Zeratul or, if he's been picked, grab Tassadar as the counterpick to crush all the really bad Nova/Zeratul players that will be out there. Tank is the way to go (why I started playing Chen). Then you have solo kill potential on most heroes if they're out of position, but still able to initiate good fights for your team. With Zeratul you go in to double bomb and the idiots on your team engage and cause you to lose the game. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 12 2015 13:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Tank is the way to go (why I started playing Chen). Then you have solo kill potential on most heroes if they're out of position, but still able to initiate good fights for your team. With Zeratul you go in to double bomb and the idiots on your team engage and cause you to lose the game. Yeah, tank is not a bad way to go, either. As for Zeratul, I strongly disagree. I've climbed ~800 MMR to where I am now predominantly solo-queuing with Zeratul. It is really easy to roll bad players with him and snowball a game. Besides, you can do a little bit of everything with Zeratul (push lanes, ninja objectives/mercs, etc). Hard to go wrong with him if played correctly. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Thrall is a possibility if he is as strong as he seems to be. I could use another ace front line fighter. | ||
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kaztah
Norway1221 Posts
On January 12 2015 13:24 xDaunt wrote: Yeah, tank is not a bad way to go, either. As for Zeratul, I strongly disagree. I've climbed ~800 MMR to where I am now predominantly solo-queuing with Zeratul. It is really easy to roll bad players with him and snowball a game. Besides, you can do a little bit of everything with Zeratul (push lanes, ninja objectives/mercs, etc). Hard to go wrong with him if played correctly. This sounds about right. I've played now 107 games and 37 of them as zeratul, with about 75% winrate. About half of it is solo queue. He's pretty much the only hero that feels really interesting to me from a dota perspective, because he can outplay in the same was as you could with force staffs/blinks. You can make some really interesting plays with the hero compared to boring stuff like ETC, which feels so clunky and annoying to play. Next up I want to learn Abathur, because he seems incredibly strong when people know how to use him, but grinding 6k gold when I dont bother to level up heroes is going to take forever. I still can't believe in this day and age there's stuff like buying heroes and the incredibly stupid talent gating, but I guess I'm just really spoiled after playing dota for so many years. It's almost as annoying as friends not having a key yet. | ||
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On January 13 2015 03:32 xDaunt wrote: I'm currently sitting on 8 heroes and need to buy two more for ranked. I have Zeratul, Tassadar, Tyrael, Muradin, Malfurion, Raynor, Valla, and Abathur. I think I need to get one of Uther/Brightwing (maybe both because they're so good) to have a grade A healer. Beyond them, however, I'm not sure whom I really need. Thoughts? Thrall is a possibility if he is as strong as he seems to be. I could use another ace front line fighter. There is a disturbing lack of Tychus in this list, the most blatantly overpowered hero in the game. | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
I was the best Paladin on my awful WoW server a long time ago, so it's a fitting hero for me anyway. | ||
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