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RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-11 20:27:21
January 11 2015 20:26 GMT
#5041
Anyway they probably won't do warcraft3's demon hunter considering there is already illidan in the game. So probably no warcraft demon hunter (geeze why did they need to name two completely different heros with the same name :D, talking about diablo3's dh obviously)

edit: the bloodmage has mana drain in warcraft3 but they will probably make Kael'Thas with a mix of his warcraft3 and wow skills and let manadrain go.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 11 2015 20:29 GMT
#5042
Thrall is Green Jesus and protected by plot armor, he is like demi-god status too.
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Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-11 22:00:47
January 11 2015 21:50 GMT
#5043
I never played WoW... does he [edit:Thrall] get a lot stronger than Malfurion "I'll-Fuck-You-With-Wisps-And-You'll-Like-It" Stormrage?

Also, I ranked everybody based on actual combat ability. Obviously Raynor is more powerful than Tychus if you count his leadership skills, just as Tassadar goes above Zeratul, and Thrall goes above Jaina (holds onto power after story's end, keeps his guys in line). Similarly, Abathur could conceivably go up based on non-combat skills (HotS campaign is a lot harder (but still easy) if you play without his help.)

Maybe I should make another ranking accounting for leadership/politicalpower/techskills?
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Yay more lists!
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-12 13:34:52
January 11 2015 22:12 GMT
#5044
On January 11 2015 06:03 Yoav wrote:
So for the sake of silliness, what should the tiers be?

Starcraft:

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Kerrigan

Zeratul

Tassadar
Zagara
Nova

Raynor
Tychus

Hammer

Abathur


Diablo:

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Diablo

Tyrael
Azmodan

Valla
Nazeebo
Sonya


Warcraft

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Arthas

Jaina
Thrall
Tyrande
Malfurion
Illidan

Rehgar
Chen
Muradin
Falstad

Li Li
Gazlowe

Murky
Brightwing
Stitches


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Demigod Tier
Diablo
Tyrael
Azmodan
Kerrigan
Arthas

Super Powerful Magically-Imbued Tier
Zeratul
Valla
Nazeebo
Sonya
Jaina
Thrall
Tyrande
Malfurion
Illidan

Powerful Magical Tier
Tassadar
Zagara
Nova
Rehgar
Chen
Muradin
Falstad

Powerful Mortal Tier
Raynor
Tychus
Li Li
Gazlowe
Stitches

Soldier Tier
Hammer
Brightwing

Trash Mob Tier
Abathur
Murky

Tyrael, Azmodan and Diablo are Gods in everything but the name. granted, diablo became more powerful with the black soulstone (which is shattered) because he "united" with all the other rulers of hell and the power of tyrael is questionable since he became mortal.

malfurion the arch druid could be considered demigod tier, he killed archimonde and wields very powerful magic. i havent followed the wow lore too closely but thrall wielded some fancy magic with the dragonsoul, so maybe he is up there with the rest.

tassadar in his finest (and last) moments united the energies of the dark and high templars to kill the overmind. he's definitely one, if not two tiers higher than you listed him.

on the other hand: i reall hope that blizzard learned their lesson with mana drain/burn spells from wacraft 3. it's simply not fun to play against a manaburner. it's also really hard to balance it since the DH (war 3) was overpowered more often than not. (maybe only overshadowed by the BM)
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 11 2015 22:16 GMT
#5045
Thrall becomes the Earth aspect after they kill Deathwing iirc.
WriterXiao8~~
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
January 11 2015 23:29 GMT
#5046
Diablo is a tier above Azmodan, even without the soulstone fusion. He is one of the 3.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
January 12 2015 00:03 GMT
#5047
I think we're going to have like 3 times more heros than now for sure, too many characters in all the games. Even war3/sc2 got many units to be added, like Immortal/Stalker from sc2 and Huntress/Grunt from war3, not talking about many heros that still remains: Blademaster, ShadowHunter, Firelord and so on. Every class and boss from Diablo's are possible.

Kinda interesting, are they going to add some old heros, like Mefisto/Baal and some others.
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Brian333
Profile Joined August 2010
657 Posts
January 12 2015 01:17 GMT
#5048
Just a few days until match-making hopefully isn't such complete garbage.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 12 2015 01:48 GMT
#5049
On January 12 2015 10:17 Brian333 wrote:
Just a few days until match-making hopefully isn't such complete garbage.


Ranked is going to be dreadful for at least a week when it first releases. When everyone is stacked up at rank 50 the games are going to be very very bad.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Brian333
Profile Joined August 2010
657 Posts
January 12 2015 02:43 GMT
#5050
It can't be worse than it is now. At the very least, there will be less talent gated people and the account level 30 limit will guarantee at least some familiarity with the game. Also, with it being a draft format, you'll also have much more control over your composition and the map you are playing on.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
January 12 2015 03:31 GMT
#5051
I think it will be much much worse the first week.

Being 40/30 wont guarantee you are good, and since it will have a different MMR we will all start from the same point. That means that guy which got to 30 and had 2 heroes and bought 8 with real money will be playing in the same team as Idra and Cloud 9.

We well be caught somewhere in between, so it will be basically luck based, at least at the start.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 12 2015 04:13 GMT
#5052
I still see some really stupid players at high diamond / master level, so things definitely aren't great as they stand. It will be interesting to see what the ranked population is like at the outset. I suspect that it will be pretty bad. The only silver lining is that, all things being equal, there will be as many retards on the enemy team as there are on your team on average. My strategy will be to whore the hell out of Zeratul or, if he's been picked, grab Tassadar as the counterpick to crush all the really bad Nova/Zeratul players that will be out there.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-12 04:18:02
January 12 2015 04:15 GMT
#5053
On January 12 2015 13:13 xDaunt wrote:
I still see some really stupid players at high diamond / master level, so things definitely aren't great as they stand. It will be interesting to see what the ranked population is like at the outset. I suspect that it will be pretty bad. The only silver lining is that, all things being equal, there will be as many retards on the enemy team as there are on your team on average. My strategy will be to whore the hell out of Zeratul or, if he's been picked, grab Tassadar as the counterpick to crush all the really bad Nova/Zeratul players that will be out there.


Tank is the way to go (why I started playing Chen). Then you have solo kill potential on most heroes if they're out of position, but still able to initiate good fights for your team.

With Zeratul you go in to double bomb and the idiots on your team engage and cause you to lose the game.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 12 2015 04:24 GMT
#5054
On January 12 2015 13:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
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On January 12 2015 13:13 xDaunt wrote:
I still see some really stupid players at high diamond / master level, so things definitely aren't great as they stand. It will be interesting to see what the ranked population is like at the outset. I suspect that it will be pretty bad. The only silver lining is that, all things being equal, there will be as many retards on the enemy team as there are on your team on average. My strategy will be to whore the hell out of Zeratul or, if he's been picked, grab Tassadar as the counterpick to crush all the really bad Nova/Zeratul players that will be out there.


Tank is the way to go (why I started playing Chen). Then you have solo kill potential on most heroes if they're out of position, but still able to initiate good fights for your team.

With Zeratul you go in to double bomb and the idiots on your team engage and cause you to lose the game.

Yeah, tank is not a bad way to go, either.

As for Zeratul, I strongly disagree. I've climbed ~800 MMR to where I am now predominantly solo-queuing with Zeratul. It is really easy to roll bad players with him and snowball a game. Besides, you can do a little bit of everything with Zeratul (push lanes, ninja objectives/mercs, etc). Hard to go wrong with him if played correctly.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 12 2015 16:21 GMT
#5055
Well ranked should drop tomorrow. We'll see if it is as much a clusterfuck as I assume it will be. The population of Heroes is already really small and it seems about 50/50 on people who play the game on if they can actually participate in ranked mainly due to the 10 hero limit. And with that limit in mind I feel ranked will be heavily flooded with people mostly with 2k gold heroes.
Wat
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 12 2015 18:32 GMT
#5056
I'm currently sitting on 8 heroes and need to buy two more for ranked. I have Zeratul, Tassadar, Tyrael, Muradin, Malfurion, Raynor, Valla, and Abathur. I think I need to get one of Uther/Brightwing (maybe both because they're so good) to have a grade A healer. Beyond them, however, I'm not sure whom I really need. Thoughts?

Thrall is a possibility if he is as strong as he seems to be. I could use another ace front line fighter.
kaztah
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1221 Posts
January 12 2015 18:34 GMT
#5057
On January 12 2015 13:24 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 13:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On January 12 2015 13:13 xDaunt wrote:
I still see some really stupid players at high diamond / master level, so things definitely aren't great as they stand. It will be interesting to see what the ranked population is like at the outset. I suspect that it will be pretty bad. The only silver lining is that, all things being equal, there will be as many retards on the enemy team as there are on your team on average. My strategy will be to whore the hell out of Zeratul or, if he's been picked, grab Tassadar as the counterpick to crush all the really bad Nova/Zeratul players that will be out there.


Tank is the way to go (why I started playing Chen). Then you have solo kill potential on most heroes if they're out of position, but still able to initiate good fights for your team.

With Zeratul you go in to double bomb and the idiots on your team engage and cause you to lose the game.

Yeah, tank is not a bad way to go, either.

As for Zeratul, I strongly disagree. I've climbed ~800 MMR to where I am now predominantly solo-queuing with Zeratul. It is really easy to roll bad players with him and snowball a game. Besides, you can do a little bit of everything with Zeratul (push lanes, ninja objectives/mercs, etc). Hard to go wrong with him if played correctly.


This sounds about right. I've played now 107 games and 37 of them as zeratul, with about 75% winrate. About half of it is solo queue.

He's pretty much the only hero that feels really interesting to me from a dota perspective, because he can outplay in the same was as you could with force staffs/blinks. You can make some really interesting plays with the hero compared to boring stuff like ETC, which feels so clunky and annoying to play.

Next up I want to learn Abathur, because he seems incredibly strong when people know how to use him, but grinding 6k gold when I dont bother to level up heroes is going to take forever.

I still can't believe in this day and age there's stuff like buying heroes and the incredibly stupid talent gating, but I guess I'm just really spoiled after playing dota for so many years. It's almost as annoying as friends not having a key yet.
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Narw
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland884 Posts
January 12 2015 18:40 GMT
#5058
I would definitly get Brightwing (couse he is actually not only strong, but also fun to play) and follow it with Tychus with whom you basicly can't go wrong (and he is cheap).
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 12 2015 18:58 GMT
#5059
On January 13 2015 03:32 xDaunt wrote:
I'm currently sitting on 8 heroes and need to buy two more for ranked. I have Zeratul, Tassadar, Tyrael, Muradin, Malfurion, Raynor, Valla, and Abathur. I think I need to get one of Uther/Brightwing (maybe both because they're so good) to have a grade A healer. Beyond them, however, I'm not sure whom I really need. Thoughts?

Thrall is a possibility if he is as strong as he seems to be. I could use another ace front line fighter.


There is a disturbing lack of Tychus in this list, the most blatantly overpowered hero in the game.
Wat
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
January 12 2015 19:01 GMT
#5060
My 20 games Uther is at 90% win rate, small sample size but it just might be a good idea to main him once ranked hits.

I was the best Paladin on my awful WoW server a long time ago, so it's a fitting hero for me anyway.
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