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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-10 22:51:01
December 10 2014 22:48 GMT
#4681
You said going from lvl 1 to lvl 3 (on heroes) is a sure sign of cheating, I (and a few others) corrected you and explained possible scenarios.


God, I feel like I am going in a circle here.

I implied that it's a strong indicator that games are missing. That's not equal to cheating, becasue it is very possible that your just not uploading games. Please take your time to actual read and respond my posts, instead of these strawmans.

Secondly, you completley ignored my responses to the comments, so I am just gonna repeat my self here. The players I commented on, played solo-que so no XP boost. Moreover, if you were playing co-op to be untalengated, then why would games from level 1, 2, and 3 still be in Hotslogs? Shouldn't all heroes start from lvl 4? Thirdly, I also saw sudden jumps from lvl 4 to lvl 5....

Anyway, in my follow-up comments, I only looked at the stronget indicator - and that was the post you responded to - average of teammates/opponents MMR. That's obviously the best indicator of whether the MMR ranking of the player makes sense. I get the feeling you haven't looked at any of the examples I brought up yet and compared it - as an example - to your own match history. Trust me, the difference will be very very obvious.
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
December 10 2014 23:00 GMT
#4682
On December 11 2014 07:48 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
You said going from lvl 1 to lvl 3 (on heroes) is a sure sign of cheating, I (and a few others) corrected you and explained possible scenarios.


God, I feel like I am going in a circle here.

I implied that it's a strong indicator that games are missing. That's not equal to cheating, becasue it is very possible that your just not uploading games. Please take your time to actual read and respond my posts, instead of these strawmans.

Secondly, you completley ignored my responses to the comments, so I am just gonna repeat my self here. The players I commented on, played solo-que so no XP boost. Moreover, if you were playing co-op to be untalengated, then why would games from level 1, 2, and 3 still be in Hotslogs? Shouldn't all heroes start from lvl 4? Thirdly, I also saw sudden jumps from lvl 4 to lvl 5....

Anyway, in my follow-up comments, I only looked at the stronget indicator - and that was the post you responded to - average of teammates/opponents MMR. That's obviously the best indicator of whether the MMR ranking of the player makes sense. I get the feeling you haven't looked at any of the examples I brought up yet and compared it - as an example - to your own match history. Trust me, the difference will be very very obvious.

I looked at the 3 initial examples and can see the logic of your argument. I just don't get why you have to take a shot at me with my hotslog. Equally baffling is you're citing it as a example of someone who meets diamond players <10% of the time.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
December 10 2014 23:10 GMT
#4683
Guys. It's a third-party website for a technical alpha game. I think we can all agree its relevance is fairly limited here.

Hotslogs is good to give someone an idea of one's global level of play, but it shouldn't be taken too seriously. Just wait for Blizzard's actual MMR system.
I like words.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-11 01:08:16
December 11 2014 01:04 GMT
#4684
On December 11 2014 08:00 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 07:48 Hider wrote:
You said going from lvl 1 to lvl 3 (on heroes) is a sure sign of cheating, I (and a few others) corrected you and explained possible scenarios.


God, I feel like I am going in a circle here.

I implied that it's a strong indicator that games are missing. That's not equal to cheating, becasue it is very possible that your just not uploading games. Please take your time to actual read and respond my posts, instead of these strawmans.

Secondly, you completley ignored my responses to the comments, so I am just gonna repeat my self here. The players I commented on, played solo-que so no XP boost. Moreover, if you were playing co-op to be untalengated, then why would games from level 1, 2, and 3 still be in Hotslogs? Shouldn't all heroes start from lvl 4? Thirdly, I also saw sudden jumps from lvl 4 to lvl 5....

Anyway, in my follow-up comments, I only looked at the stronget indicator - and that was the post you responded to - average of teammates/opponents MMR. That's obviously the best indicator of whether the MMR ranking of the player makes sense. I get the feeling you haven't looked at any of the examples I brought up yet and compared it - as an example - to your own match history. Trust me, the difference will be very very obvious.

I looked at the 3 initial examples and can see the logic of your argument. I just don't get why you have to take a shot at me with my hotslog. Equally baffling is you're citing it as a example of someone who meets diamond players <10% of the time.


I must have expressed my self wrong. I didn't mean to take a shot at you in anyway. I just looked at your hotslogs and saw that you meet 3k+ players 80%+ of the time indicating that your match history seems "normal" compared to the examples I brought up.

@ Abathur

Okay, let's get the discusson somewher else now. I played this to level 8, and still having a solid amount of fun, so I figured out I need to learn some more about him. Anyone have any opinions on what talents to get depending on maps and hero composition?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 11 2014 01:18 GMT
#4685
Attack speed
Promote
Mule
Ult
Cleave
Brood
Ult

I don't really switch anything up based on the map or composition. I used to get nest slow upgrade on mines because it is so small that it is easy to make good use of it, but I'd rather push forts and get an exp advantage. If somebody else on your team can get mule then I wouldn't bother with two of them. I think the stab talent is the alternative to take there.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
December 11 2014 02:02 GMT
#4686
promote on abathur isn't useful anymore i'd say. Just 15 seconds would force him way too close to the fray..

Stab upgrade instead of promote now.

Mule always depends on map, who else might get it etc. but is often solid.

I also prefer locust hp over attack speed. The locusts are usually frontrunners in the minion wave so extra hitpoints let's the wave as a whole do more damage typically as they also function to keep the archers alive. Tankier locusts also help better against towers than faster attacking ones since you drain ammo. Further more it's 30% hp increase but only 20% damage increase. Of course damage does have an advantage when you get into a state where locusts die because of the timer instead of their attack but I rarely find that to be the case where the difference would matter. Afterall if the locusts die before doing any attacking neither talent does anything.

Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-11 02:21:52
December 11 2014 02:19 GMT
#4687
Using promote really isn't that hard. You Z into the creep wave. Drop brood and double promote and then recall away.

Do towers actually priority target the locusts?
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
December 11 2014 05:11 GMT
#4688
On December 11 2014 11:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Using promote really isn't that hard. You Z into the creep wave. Drop brood and double promote and then recall away.

Do towers actually priority target the locusts?


The issue I had with promote was that I spent so much time trying to be near my minions for something that only has a 15-second benefit. This time could be spent in Q-mode, where I feel like I can get more done.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-11 06:25:48
December 11 2014 06:22 GMT
#4689
On December 11 2014 07:48 Hider wrote:
I implied that it's a strong indicator that games are missing.


1 to 3 in one game is easy. Like lvl 22~ with friend + win bonus.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
December 11 2014 07:28 GMT
#4690
Played a few games with friends and had enough gold to unlock lili
did it
was disappointed
oops
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
December 11 2014 09:33 GMT
#4691
On December 11 2014 16:28 RoieTRS wrote:
Played a few games with friends and had enough gold to unlock lili
did it
was disappointed
oops


Even though Lili isn't the cream of the crop here, HotS doesn't really have unwinnable heroes atm. You can rock with Lili, Diablo, Sonya or any other hero pretty well. Hell, even Murky.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
December 11 2014 11:30 GMT
#4692
On December 11 2014 14:11 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 11:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Using promote really isn't that hard. You Z into the creep wave. Drop brood and double promote and then recall away.

Do towers actually priority target the locusts?


The issue I had with promote was that I spent so much time trying to be near my minions for something that only has a 15-second benefit. This time could be spent in Q-mode, where I feel like I can get more done.



I've been "maxing Q" since the latest patch, due to the fact that you are much more useful as an assist-bot for your team. I've yet to be impressed by the old promote/locust build.
hi
Narw
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland884 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-11 12:22:23
December 11 2014 12:21 GMT
#4693
4 games, 4 server crashes/mass dc's, game is getting to Dota 2 level.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-11 13:43:45
December 11 2014 13:42 GMT
#4694
On December 11 2014 15:22 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 07:48 Hider wrote:
I implied that it's a strong indicator that games are missing.


1 to 3 in one game is easy. Like lvl 22~ with friend + win bonus.


Read my responses please. I already reponded to that twice.

Moreover, the players I commented on, played solo-que so no XP boost


So I looked over a coupe of these Guys profile. It's solo que. And I saw that trend consistently. There were lots of gmes missig. From like leve 2 to 4. 3 o 5 etc.
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
December 11 2014 18:39 GMT
#4695
On December 11 2014 16:28 RoieTRS wrote:
Played a few games with friends and had enough gold to unlock lili
did it
was disappointed
oops


According to Hotslogs, LiLi is definitely in the bottom tier of heroes. Sorry.

"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
December 11 2014 19:25 GMT
#4696
It has her at 51% winrate as far as I can see, a couple of weeks ago she was rock bottom with around 40%... So its not that bad
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-11 19:48:10
December 11 2014 19:47 GMT
#4697
On December 12 2014 04:25 FliedLice wrote:
It has her at 51% winrate as far as I can see, a couple of weeks ago she was rock bottom with around 40%... So its not that bad


Lili was free a couple weeks ago. A hero being free seems to tank that heroes winrate substantially.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
December 11 2014 20:06 GMT
#4698
Its hard to cheat on hotslogs since 99/100 of the games I batch report are duplicates at my MMR anyways. So win or lose someone is reporting the game.
Wat
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 11 2014 20:42 GMT
#4699
I can't play this game after like 8PM without massive lag, and that's always when I want to play
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
December 11 2014 23:59 GMT
#4700
On December 11 2014 18:33 BluzMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 16:28 RoieTRS wrote:
Played a few games with friends and had enough gold to unlock lili
did it
was disappointed
oops


Even though Lili isn't the cream of the crop here, HotS doesn't really have unwinnable heroes atm. You can rock with Lili, Diablo, Sonya or any other hero pretty well. Hell, even Murky.

No the problem is blizzard won't put a "fun" tag on characters so I don't know who the fun ones are until i pay $$ for them.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
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