Tempo Storm and MagicAmy part ways - Page 10

On February 26 2015 01:41 Elizar wrote:
Just because there is no "hard proof" doesn´t automatically make it impossible that there is sth. true about those claims.

On February 26 2015 02:07 piegasm wrote:


Good thing nobody said that, then.

On February 26 2015 01:04 piegasm wrote:
@ Ricjames

a) I didn't make you do shit.
b) You literally just described the community reacting differently to MagicAmy entirely because she's female ("It is perfectly normal and natural behaviour for men to be more interested if it involves woman.") and then claimed that's not sexism. Well done. QED I guess.
c) You seem to be working with rather unusual definitions of "rational" and "neutral".

On February 26 2015 02:13 Elizar wrote:


So suddenly you accept my viewpoint? How did that happen?

Edit: Substituted "understand" which "accept".

On February 26 2015 03:05 piegasm wrote:


Any time you're ready to engage with things I've actually said, let me know.

On February 26 2015 00:55 Ricjames wrote:
Holy shit, you are so annoying that it made me post another reaction. You are comparing two absolutely individual and different cases and here is a simple explanation:

1. HOSTY - random male pro HS player. There are tens of players like him. There is nothing that would make him special. This guy was accused of cheating by watching a stream of the tournament he is participating in. There was nothing else, just cheating in this specific tournament. This case was examined by his team and they came to a conclusion to release him (supposedly not based on the mentioned tournament situation). Still there are people that believe he was innocent and people that say he is guilty. This is not a big deal. One of the many is gone now. No need for further investigation or whatsoever. Nobody cares any more.

On February 26 2015 03:50 Wuster wrote:


You realize that Hostly still plays and competes in tournaments right?

He's not gone at all. But you're right that no one cares that someone who actually cheated in a major tournament (run by his own team in fact) is still around the scene.

To me that's kind of sad.

On the other hand, there's no proof that MagicAmy actually botted / cheated in games. Just that she played around with guys online. Asking for money is not the same as stealing money so let's drop the scammer part (I'm sure each case went down differently, but can we agree she didn't extort guys into sending her money or hack their paypal?). Like I said in my earlier post, being deficient in your personal life hardly means you're going to cheat in your competitive life.

Just look at the SC2 scene quite a lot of those guys fooled around in their personal life and sometimes it even cost them in game (a certain progamer getting dq-ed for missing his match after 'entertaining' a fan the night before comes to mind). But that hardly means they're cheats or should be condemned for being dishonest competitors.

On February 26 2015 04:24 Wuster wrote:
My point is MagicAmy is being condemned for personal failings, while Hosty was condemned for actual game integrity issues.

The personal failings don't go away if MagicAmy does well in a lan, my point was for other players most keep leave the personal drama out. Yet it's so tied to why people say MagicAmy is guilty of cheating or whatever.

I think it's this distinction that's separating most posters in this thread.

On February 26 2015 04:45 Ricjames wrote:


I repeat these are 2 totally different and individual cases and you can't really compare them.

Hosty was condemned for actual game integrity issue - that is true. But the issue was that he cheated in a streamed tournament by watching the stream. This does not show or imply in any way that his achievements,records in HS in other cases (not streamed tournaments, not streamed online games, ladder, he played LANs before if i am not mistaken) were accomplished due to cheating.

MagicAmy on the other hand is suspected of being a complete fraud and that all her achievements might have been accomplished thanks to cheating in some way. This is much more severe accustation than in Hosty's case. This combined with her being "the best" an him being one among many, is the reason why people react as they do.

On February 26 2015 03:20 Elizar wrote:


Nah, I finally conclude I have wasted enough time on that already. Good luck and have fun with your crusade.

On February 26 2015 14:53 piegasm wrote:


Yeah, it's much simpler to just make shit up than to represent honestly what your interlocutors have said. I feel your pain, bro. Really, I do.

On February 27 2015 05:28 litlnoobs wrote:
So Elizar, a friend just told me that you have sex with goats. I'm not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but my friend says he has proof and why would he lie?

Can you prove his accusations wrong? I mean, it seems simple enough that if you don't have sex with goats that you would easily show us that you don't have sex with goats and his accusation is wrong.

I am going to be highly suspicious though if you choose not to prove these claims wrong. What would you have to hide? That seems fishy if you can't prove these accusations wrong.

I'll be waiting for you to choose to prove these accusations wrong under your own free will. Remember, I am not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but if you don't prove these accusations incorrect, then I wonder why?

On February 27 2015 05:28 litlnoobs wrote:
So Elizar, a friend just told me that you have sex with goats. I'm not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but my friend says he has proof and why would he lie?

Can you prove his accusations wrong? I mean, it seems simple enough that if you don't have sex with goats that you would easily show us that you don't have sex with goats and his accusation is wrong.

I am going to be highly suspicious though if you choose not to prove these claims wrong. What would you have to hide? That seems fishy if you can't prove these accusations wrong.

I'll be waiting for you to choose to prove these accusations wrong under your own free will. Remember, I am not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but if you don't prove these accusations incorrect, then I wonder why?

On February 27 2015 07:23 dAPhREAk wrote:

how exactly do you show you dont have sex with goats? moreover, how do you prove a negative?

On February 27 2015 14:54 stink123 wrote:
The goat thing isn't relevant here because magicamy can easily prove she's the one playing her account. Just release a video of her playing games on her account! Or show up to a live event. We know she has a webcam. She didn't even try, which is strange for someone who started their own Hearthstone team, and willingly joined Tempo storm. You would expect that a hearthstone pro or aspiring pro when accused of not playing their own games, would laugh and try to prove everyone wrong. That's why people are convinced she's a fraud.

On February 28 2015 10:40 stink123 wrote:
Um, isn't that the exact opposite of how you act towards an actual reasonable human being? If someone says "I don't believe you play Hearthstone" wouldn't you show them your hearthstone account? Not curse them out and throw a tantrum as you suggest.

Like with any community, respect must be earned, and maintained. When someone publicly calls you out, and you don't respond, the community will respect you less. Doubly so when you're on a team, and your TEAM asks you to respond. Not only do you let down your fans, but also your teammates and team as well. There's no way I could respect magicamy after this, because she treated people who cheered for her, and her team like trash. If instead, she had released a video of her playing her account and destroying people (or just showed up to an offline event), then she could've kept her spot on the team, and no one could reasonably doubt her authenticity.