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On February 28 2015 15:16 piegasm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 10:40 stink123 wrote:
Um, isn't that the exact opposite of how you act towards an actual reasonable human being? If someone says "I don't believe you play Hearthstone" wouldn't you show them your hearthstone account? Not curse them out and throw a tantrum as you suggest.
Like with any community, respect must be earned, and maintained. When someone publicly calls you out, and you don't respond, the community will respect you less. Doubly so when you're on a team, and your TEAM asks you to respond. Not only do you let down your fans, but also your teammates and team as well. There's no way I could respect magicamy after this, because she treated people who cheered for her, and her team like trash. If instead, she had released a video of her playing her account and destroying people (or just showed up to an offline event), then she could've kept her spot on the team, and no one could reasonably doubt her authenticity.
You've actually just perfectly illustrated why this whole situation pisses me off. What happened here is that a few assholes tried to throw someone under the bus based on breathtakingly flimsy evidence. They don't seem to have wasted a single instant thinking about the impact they were having on a real human being's life. They posted their chat logs to Twitter, fanned the flames lit by Specialist, whipped the community into such a frenzy that TempoStorm was eventually forced to investigate. And TempoStorm says they found nothing. But nobody believes TempoStorm who had access to real evidence beyond a chat log and the word of a couple of assholes who thought airing this shit on reddit and twitter was a perfectly OK thing to do. Wild, unsubstantiated claims on the other hand and the word of those assholes? That's totally believable. Because reasons. What you have here is a few people purposely whipping up a very large internet community against another person. People whose only evidence is some chat logs and a screen shot of a bank statement. People whose stories don't even agree with each other (some think Amy is two people, some don't). And the victim of this witch hunt is the one who you apparently think needs to earn respect back. That is seriously fucked up.
I think the community reacted very reasonably. There are very few who actually think for certain that MagicAmy is a fraud, but the vast majority will formulate a position based on evidence. When information presents itself, people's view changes in the corresponding direction. A reasonable observer won't go all the way and think they know the truth, unless the evidence is very strong, but it is ridiculous to expect them to not change expectations. Given MagicAmy's public status in the community and everything she has worked hard for, to not disprove all her detractors' claims is a very strange line of behaviour, particularly because that would be so easy to do if she is who she claims to be. To me, this is a piece of information a clear-thinking observer cannot ignore, even with the understanding that it is insufficient to prove she is a fraud.
Based on the information I have, it is more likely than not that MagicAmy is a fraud. I will not bet my life on it since I don't know the truth, but if someone holds a gun to my head and demands a definitive correct answer, I would play to the odds and say she is a fraud.
It is those people that blindly refuse to move on evidence, and fanatically stick to their original position regardless of visible developments, that are being unreasonable. You seem to fit that shoe.
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On February 28 2015 15:37 5unrise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 15:16 piegasm wrote:On February 28 2015 10:40 stink123 wrote:
Um, isn't that the exact opposite of how you act towards an actual reasonable human being? If someone says "I don't believe you play Hearthstone" wouldn't you show them your hearthstone account? Not curse them out and throw a tantrum as you suggest.
Like with any community, respect must be earned, and maintained. When someone publicly calls you out, and you don't respond, the community will respect you less. Doubly so when you're on a team, and your TEAM asks you to respond. Not only do you let down your fans, but also your teammates and team as well. There's no way I could respect magicamy after this, because she treated people who cheered for her, and her team like trash. If instead, she had released a video of her playing her account and destroying people (or just showed up to an offline event), then she could've kept her spot on the team, and no one could reasonably doubt her authenticity.
You've actually just perfectly illustrated why this whole situation pisses me off. What happened here is that a few assholes tried to throw someone under the bus based on breathtakingly flimsy evidence. They don't seem to have wasted a single instant thinking about the impact they were having on a real human being's life. They posted their chat logs to Twitter, fanned the flames lit by Specialist, whipped the community into such a frenzy that TempoStorm was eventually forced to investigate. And TempoStorm says they found nothing. But nobody believes TempoStorm who had access to real evidence beyond a chat log and the word of a couple of assholes who thought airing this shit on reddit and twitter was a perfectly OK thing to do. Wild, unsubstantiated claims on the other hand and the word of those assholes? That's totally believable. Because reasons. What you have here is a few people purposely whipping up a very large internet community against another person. People whose only evidence is some chat logs and a screen shot of a bank statement. People whose stories don't even agree with each other (some think Amy is two people, some don't). And the victim of this witch hunt is the one who you apparently think needs to earn respect back. That is seriously fucked up. I think the community reacted very reasonably. There are very few who actually think for certain that MagicAmy is a fraud, but the vast majority will formulate a position based on evidence. When a piece of information presents itself, people's view changes in the appropriate direction. A reasonable observer won't go all the way and think they know the truth, unless the evidence is very strong, but it is ridiculous to expect them to not change expectations. Given MagicAmy's public status in the community and everything she has worked hard for, to not disprove all her detractors' claims is a very strange line of behaviour, particularly because that would be so easy to do if she is who she claims to be. To me, this is a piece of information a clear-thinking observer cannot ignore, even with the understanding that it is insufficient to prove she is a fraud. It is those people that blindly refuse to move on evidence, and fanatically stick to their original position regardless of visible developments, that are being unreasonable. You seem to fit that shoe.
What a dishonest pile of crap you've just posted. You think it's reasonable to drive someone out of a community when you don't know for certain that the reason you're driving them out is even true? You think it's unreasonable for someone to want nothing to do with a community that has just gone to great lengths to destroy everything they've worked hard for? You think being unwilling to act on rank speculation and wild, unsubstantiated claims makes me a blind fanatic? I'm sorry but that's just abject bullshit. When people treat me like shit, I stop fucking associating with them. If I have suspicions about someone's behavior, I take it to someone with the means to investigate properly; I don't just blast it from my social media accounts.
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On February 28 2015 16:13 piegasm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 15:37 5unrise wrote:On February 28 2015 15:16 piegasm wrote:On February 28 2015 10:40 stink123 wrote:
Um, isn't that the exact opposite of how you act towards an actual reasonable human being? If someone says "I don't believe you play Hearthstone" wouldn't you show them your hearthstone account? Not curse them out and throw a tantrum as you suggest.
Like with any community, respect must be earned, and maintained. When someone publicly calls you out, and you don't respond, the community will respect you less. Doubly so when you're on a team, and your TEAM asks you to respond. Not only do you let down your fans, but also your teammates and team as well. There's no way I could respect magicamy after this, because she treated people who cheered for her, and her team like trash. If instead, she had released a video of her playing her account and destroying people (or just showed up to an offline event), then she could've kept her spot on the team, and no one could reasonably doubt her authenticity.
You've actually just perfectly illustrated why this whole situation pisses me off. What happened here is that a few assholes tried to throw someone under the bus based on breathtakingly flimsy evidence. They don't seem to have wasted a single instant thinking about the impact they were having on a real human being's life. They posted their chat logs to Twitter, fanned the flames lit by Specialist, whipped the community into such a frenzy that TempoStorm was eventually forced to investigate. And TempoStorm says they found nothing. But nobody believes TempoStorm who had access to real evidence beyond a chat log and the word of a couple of assholes who thought airing this shit on reddit and twitter was a perfectly OK thing to do. Wild, unsubstantiated claims on the other hand and the word of those assholes? That's totally believable. Because reasons. What you have here is a few people purposely whipping up a very large internet community against another person. People whose only evidence is some chat logs and a screen shot of a bank statement. People whose stories don't even agree with each other (some think Amy is two people, some don't). And the victim of this witch hunt is the one who you apparently think needs to earn respect back. That is seriously fucked up. I think the community reacted very reasonably. There are very few who actually think for certain that MagicAmy is a fraud, but the vast majority will formulate a position based on evidence. When a piece of information presents itself, people's view changes in the appropriate direction. A reasonable observer won't go all the way and think they know the truth, unless the evidence is very strong, but it is ridiculous to expect them to not change expectations. Given MagicAmy's public status in the community and everything she has worked hard for, to not disprove all her detractors' claims is a very strange line of behaviour, particularly because that would be so easy to do if she is who she claims to be. To me, this is a piece of information a clear-thinking observer cannot ignore, even with the understanding that it is insufficient to prove she is a fraud. It is those people that blindly refuse to move on evidence, and fanatically stick to their original position regardless of visible developments, that are being unreasonable. You seem to fit that shoe. What a dishonest pile of crap you've just posted. You think it's reasonable to drive someone out of a community when you don't know for certain that the reason you're driving them out is even true? You think it's unreasonable for someone to want nothing to do with a community that has just gone to great lengths to destroy everything they've worked hard for? You think being unwilling to act on rank speculation and wild, unsubstantiated claims makes me a blind fanatic? I'm sorry but that's just abject bullshit. When people treat me like shit, I stop fucking associating with them. If I have suspicions about someone's behavior, I take it to someone with the means to investigate properly; I don't just blast it from my social media accounts.
The emotional rant you post really doesn't help convincing any neutral people of your position.
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On February 28 2015 16:20 5unrise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 16:13 piegasm wrote:On February 28 2015 15:37 5unrise wrote:On February 28 2015 15:16 piegasm wrote:On February 28 2015 10:40 stink123 wrote:
Um, isn't that the exact opposite of how you act towards an actual reasonable human being? If someone says "I don't believe you play Hearthstone" wouldn't you show them your hearthstone account? Not curse them out and throw a tantrum as you suggest.
Like with any community, respect must be earned, and maintained. When someone publicly calls you out, and you don't respond, the community will respect you less. Doubly so when you're on a team, and your TEAM asks you to respond. Not only do you let down your fans, but also your teammates and team as well. There's no way I could respect magicamy after this, because she treated people who cheered for her, and her team like trash. If instead, she had released a video of her playing her account and destroying people (or just showed up to an offline event), then she could've kept her spot on the team, and no one could reasonably doubt her authenticity.
You've actually just perfectly illustrated why this whole situation pisses me off. What happened here is that a few assholes tried to throw someone under the bus based on breathtakingly flimsy evidence. They don't seem to have wasted a single instant thinking about the impact they were having on a real human being's life. They posted their chat logs to Twitter, fanned the flames lit by Specialist, whipped the community into such a frenzy that TempoStorm was eventually forced to investigate. And TempoStorm says they found nothing. But nobody believes TempoStorm who had access to real evidence beyond a chat log and the word of a couple of assholes who thought airing this shit on reddit and twitter was a perfectly OK thing to do. Wild, unsubstantiated claims on the other hand and the word of those assholes? That's totally believable. Because reasons. What you have here is a few people purposely whipping up a very large internet community against another person. People whose only evidence is some chat logs and a screen shot of a bank statement. People whose stories don't even agree with each other (some think Amy is two people, some don't). And the victim of this witch hunt is the one who you apparently think needs to earn respect back. That is seriously fucked up. I think the community reacted very reasonably. There are very few who actually think for certain that MagicAmy is a fraud, but the vast majority will formulate a position based on evidence. When a piece of information presents itself, people's view changes in the appropriate direction. A reasonable observer won't go all the way and think they know the truth, unless the evidence is very strong, but it is ridiculous to expect them to not change expectations. Given MagicAmy's public status in the community and everything she has worked hard for, to not disprove all her detractors' claims is a very strange line of behaviour, particularly because that would be so easy to do if she is who she claims to be. To me, this is a piece of information a clear-thinking observer cannot ignore, even with the understanding that it is insufficient to prove she is a fraud. It is those people that blindly refuse to move on evidence, and fanatically stick to their original position regardless of visible developments, that are being unreasonable. You seem to fit that shoe. What a dishonest pile of crap you've just posted. You think it's reasonable to drive someone out of a community when you don't know for certain that the reason you're driving them out is even true? You think it's unreasonable for someone to want nothing to do with a community that has just gone to great lengths to destroy everything they've worked hard for? You think being unwilling to act on rank speculation and wild, unsubstantiated claims makes me a blind fanatic? I'm sorry but that's just abject bullshit. When people treat me like shit, I stop fucking associating with them. If I have suspicions about someone's behavior, I take it to someone with the means to investigate properly; I don't just blast it from my social media accounts. The emotional rant you post really doesn't help convincing any neutral people of your position.
Does the presence of naughty words somehow affect your ability to parse words for meaning? If you're unable to engage with what I say unless I show you proper deference, that's your issue; not mine.
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On February 27 2015 14:54 stink123 wrote:
The goat thing isn't relevant here because magicamy can easily prove she's the one playing her account. Just release a video of her playing games on her account! Or show up to a live event. We know she has a webcam. She didn't even try, which is strange for someone who started their own Hearthstone team, and willingly joined Tempo storm. You would expect that a hearthstone pro or aspiring pro when accused of not playing their own games, would laugh and try to prove everyone wrong. That's why people are convinced she's a fraud.
/wooooooooooooosh/
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On February 27 2015 06:21 Elizar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 05:28 litlnoobs wrote:
So Elizar, a friend just told me that you have sex with goats. I'm not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but my friend says he has proof and why would he lie?
Can you prove his accusations wrong? I mean, it seems simple enough that if you don't have sex with goats that you would easily show us that you don't have sex with goats and his accusation is wrong.
I am going to be highly suspicious though if you choose not to prove these claims wrong. What would you have to hide? That seems fishy if you can't prove these accusations wrong.
I'll be waiting for you to choose to prove these accusations wrong under your own free will. Remember, I am not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but if you don't prove these accusations incorrect, then I wonder why?
Your friend is a liar. Goats? Please ..... Sheeps are the thing! More fluffy u know ... I heard people wanted to improve the community. As it is now I become a troll. Thats said, isn´t it? I do hate trolls and never considered me being one and now I turn into one. Sheeps on the other hand ... so fluffy I´m gonna die! Let´s all become sheeps. Maybe explosive ones. You know why I don´t even consider your accusations worthy a real response? Guess! You´re so smart I´m sure you will figure it out yourself !!
Well, at least now we're getting to the point. Now, imagine yourself in MagicAmy's shoes and a bunch of people like myself have just accused her of some bullshit like fucking goats.
Do you try to disprove it? Or do what you just did, and walk away? Any reasonable person would walk away. Like you just did.
Thanks for playing and proving the point. Cheers.
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On February 28 2015 16:20 5unrise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 16:13 piegasm wrote:On February 28 2015 15:37 5unrise wrote:On February 28 2015 15:16 piegasm wrote:On February 28 2015 10:40 stink123 wrote:
Um, isn't that the exact opposite of how you act towards an actual reasonable human being? If someone says "I don't believe you play Hearthstone" wouldn't you show them your hearthstone account? Not curse them out and throw a tantrum as you suggest.
Like with any community, respect must be earned, and maintained. When someone publicly calls you out, and you don't respond, the community will respect you less. Doubly so when you're on a team, and your TEAM asks you to respond. Not only do you let down your fans, but also your teammates and team as well. There's no way I could respect magicamy after this, because she treated people who cheered for her, and her team like trash. If instead, she had released a video of her playing her account and destroying people (or just showed up to an offline event), then she could've kept her spot on the team, and no one could reasonably doubt her authenticity.
You've actually just perfectly illustrated why this whole situation pisses me off. What happened here is that a few assholes tried to throw someone under the bus based on breathtakingly flimsy evidence. They don't seem to have wasted a single instant thinking about the impact they were having on a real human being's life. They posted their chat logs to Twitter, fanned the flames lit by Specialist, whipped the community into such a frenzy that TempoStorm was eventually forced to investigate. And TempoStorm says they found nothing. But nobody believes TempoStorm who had access to real evidence beyond a chat log and the word of a couple of assholes who thought airing this shit on reddit and twitter was a perfectly OK thing to do. Wild, unsubstantiated claims on the other hand and the word of those assholes? That's totally believable. Because reasons. What you have here is a few people purposely whipping up a very large internet community against another person. People whose only evidence is some chat logs and a screen shot of a bank statement. People whose stories don't even agree with each other (some think Amy is two people, some don't). And the victim of this witch hunt is the one who you apparently think needs to earn respect back. That is seriously fucked up. I think the community reacted very reasonably. There are very few who actually think for certain that MagicAmy is a fraud, but the vast majority will formulate a position based on evidence. When a piece of information presents itself, people's view changes in the appropriate direction. A reasonable observer won't go all the way and think they know the truth, unless the evidence is very strong, but it is ridiculous to expect them to not change expectations. Given MagicAmy's public status in the community and everything she has worked hard for, to not disprove all her detractors' claims is a very strange line of behaviour, particularly because that would be so easy to do if she is who she claims to be. To me, this is a piece of information a clear-thinking observer cannot ignore, even with the understanding that it is insufficient to prove she is a fraud. It is those people that blindly refuse to move on evidence, and fanatically stick to their original position regardless of visible developments, that are being unreasonable. You seem to fit that shoe. What a dishonest pile of crap you've just posted. You think it's reasonable to drive someone out of a community when you don't know for certain that the reason you're driving them out is even true? You think it's unreasonable for someone to want nothing to do with a community that has just gone to great lengths to destroy everything they've worked hard for? You think being unwilling to act on rank speculation and wild, unsubstantiated claims makes me a blind fanatic? I'm sorry but that's just abject bullshit. When people treat me like shit, I stop fucking associating with them. If I have suspicions about someone's behavior, I take it to someone with the means to investigate properly; I don't just blast it from my social media accounts. The emotional rant you post really doesn't help convincing any neutral people of your position.
5unrise, you are absolutely right. BTW arguing with this Piegasm is just a waste of time as he/she showed on previous pages.
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On February 28 2015 15:37 5unrise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 15:16 piegasm wrote:On February 28 2015 10:40 stink123 wrote:
Um, isn't that the exact opposite of how you act towards an actual reasonable human being? If someone says "I don't believe you play Hearthstone" wouldn't you show them your hearthstone account? Not curse them out and throw a tantrum as you suggest.
Like with any community, respect must be earned, and maintained. When someone publicly calls you out, and you don't respond, the community will respect you less. Doubly so when you're on a team, and your TEAM asks you to respond. Not only do you let down your fans, but also your teammates and team as well. There's no way I could respect magicamy after this, because she treated people who cheered for her, and her team like trash. If instead, she had released a video of her playing her account and destroying people (or just showed up to an offline event), then she could've kept her spot on the team, and no one could reasonably doubt her authenticity.
You've actually just perfectly illustrated why this whole situation pisses me off. What happened here is that a few assholes tried to throw someone under the bus based on breathtakingly flimsy evidence. They don't seem to have wasted a single instant thinking about the impact they were having on a real human being's life. They posted their chat logs to Twitter, fanned the flames lit by Specialist, whipped the community into such a frenzy that TempoStorm was eventually forced to investigate. And TempoStorm says they found nothing. But nobody believes TempoStorm who had access to real evidence beyond a chat log and the word of a couple of assholes who thought airing this shit on reddit and twitter was a perfectly OK thing to do. Wild, unsubstantiated claims on the other hand and the word of those assholes? That's totally believable. Because reasons. What you have here is a few people purposely whipping up a very large internet community against another person. People whose only evidence is some chat logs and a screen shot of a bank statement. People whose stories don't even agree with each other (some think Amy is two people, some don't). And the victim of this witch hunt is the one who you apparently think needs to earn respect back. That is seriously fucked up. I think the community reacted very reasonably. There are very few who actually think for certain that MagicAmy is a fraud, but the vast majority will formulate a position based on evidence. When information presents itself, people's view changes in the corresponding direction. A reasonable observer won't go all the way and think they know the truth, unless the evidence is very strong, but it is ridiculous to expect them to not change expectations. Given MagicAmy's public status in the community and everything she has worked hard for, to not disprove all her detractors' claims is a very strange line of behaviour, particularly because that would be so easy to do if she is who she claims to be. To me, this is a piece of information a clear-thinking observer cannot ignore, even with the understanding that it is insufficient to prove she is a fraud. Based on the information I have, it is more likely than not that MagicAmy is a fraud. I will not bet my life on it since I don't know the truth, but if someone holds a gun to my head and demands a definitive correct answer, I would play to the odds and say she is a fraud. It is those people that blindly refuse to move on evidence, and fanatically stick to their original position regardless of visible developments, that are being unreasonable. You seem to fit that shoe.
You make too much sense, GET OUT OF THIS THREAD! 
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On February 28 2015 18:48 litlnoobs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 06:21 Elizar wrote:On February 27 2015 05:28 litlnoobs wrote:
So Elizar, a friend just told me that you have sex with goats. I'm not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but my friend says he has proof and why would he lie?
Can you prove his accusations wrong? I mean, it seems simple enough that if you don't have sex with goats that you would easily show us that you don't have sex with goats and his accusation is wrong.
I am going to be highly suspicious though if you choose not to prove these claims wrong. What would you have to hide? That seems fishy if you can't prove these accusations wrong.
I'll be waiting for you to choose to prove these accusations wrong under your own free will. Remember, I am not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but if you don't prove these accusations incorrect, then I wonder why?
Your friend is a liar. Goats? Please ..... Sheeps are the thing! More fluffy u know ... I heard people wanted to improve the community. As it is now I become a troll. Thats said, isn´t it? I do hate trolls and never considered me being one and now I turn into one. Sheeps on the other hand ... so fluffy I´m gonna die! Let´s all become sheeps. Maybe explosive ones. You know why I don´t even consider your accusations worthy a real response? Guess! You´re so smart I´m sure you will figure it out yourself !! Well, at least now we're getting to the point. Now, imagine yourself in MagicAmy's shoes and a bunch of people like myself have just accused her of some bullshit like fucking goats. Do you try to disprove it? Or do what you just did, and walk away? Any reasonable person would walk away. Like you just did. Thanks for playing and proving the point. Cheers.
So let's see, I've put tons of time and money into learning a game and am at a level where I have enough popularity and skill to be a professional player of it. Would I prove myself innocent or walk away and waste all the time I've spent on it?
It's hilarious that you compare it to a forum post.
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On March 01 2015 00:00 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 18:48 litlnoobs wrote:On February 27 2015 06:21 Elizar wrote:On February 27 2015 05:28 litlnoobs wrote:
So Elizar, a friend just told me that you have sex with goats. I'm not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but my friend says he has proof and why would he lie?
Can you prove his accusations wrong? I mean, it seems simple enough that if you don't have sex with goats that you would easily show us that you don't have sex with goats and his accusation is wrong.
I am going to be highly suspicious though if you choose not to prove these claims wrong. What would you have to hide? That seems fishy if you can't prove these accusations wrong.
I'll be waiting for you to choose to prove these accusations wrong under your own free will. Remember, I am not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but if you don't prove these accusations incorrect, then I wonder why?
Your friend is a liar. Goats? Please ..... Sheeps are the thing! More fluffy u know ... I heard people wanted to improve the community. As it is now I become a troll. Thats said, isn´t it? I do hate trolls and never considered me being one and now I turn into one. Sheeps on the other hand ... so fluffy I´m gonna die! Let´s all become sheeps. Maybe explosive ones. You know why I don´t even consider your accusations worthy a real response? Guess! You´re so smart I´m sure you will figure it out yourself !! Well, at least now we're getting to the point. Now, imagine yourself in MagicAmy's shoes and a bunch of people like myself have just accused her of some bullshit like fucking goats. Do you try to disprove it? Or do what you just did, and walk away? Any reasonable person would walk away. Like you just did. Thanks for playing and proving the point. Cheers. So let's see, I've put tons of time and money into learning a game and am at a level where I have enough popularity and skill to be a professional player of it. Would I prove myself innocent or walk away and waste all the time I've spent on it? It's hilarious that you compare it to a forum post.
It's hilarious how, in order to make this point, everyone has to pretend that the very people who gleefully banded together to push MagicAmy out of the community would somehow stop being assholes if only MagicAmy capitulated to their demands and agreed to jump through their hoops.
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If MagicAmy had put up play, I would have watched it. I would also have watched the various play reviews that showed up from professionals. If there had been any modicum of support for her, I would have become an instant supporter. There are many people who are with me. The story of the girl scorned by the community who manages to show how good she is despite hate is a very strong and compelling one, as shown by players like Scarlett. She still gets shit, certainly, but there's a ton of support for her as well. MagicAmy would have gotten the same treatment, probably with even more support.
Let's turn things around. What would it take you to believe that she's a fraud? What evidence do you need? Keep in mind that there does need to be some reasonable standard that can be reached, because otherwise cheats can get away with anything.
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On March 01 2015 00:35 Acritter wrote:
If MagicAmy had put up play, I would have watched it. I would also have watched the various play reviews that showed up from professionals. If there had been any modicum of support for her, I would have become an instant supporter. There are many people who are with me. The story of the girl scorned by the community who manages to show how good she is despite hate is a very strong and compelling one, as shown by players like Scarlett. She still gets shit, certainly, but there's a ton of support for her as well. MagicAmy would have gotten the same treatment, probably with even more support.
Let's turn things around. What would it take you to believe that she's a fraud? What evidence do you need? Keep in mind that there does need to be some reasonable standard that can be reached, because otherwise cheats can get away with anything.
What would it take for me to believe she's a fraud? How about evidence that actually speaks to the question being asked?
-Chat logs show that she was sharing some social media accounts with someone. Not evidence of faked identity or cheating at Hearthstone.
-Celerity's bank statement shows he gave her money but not that she "scammed" him. Even if she mislead him about that money, that has nothing to do with Hearthstone.
-Nobody has yet even tried to speculate what her motive is supposed to have been. What's the end game? Why fake your way through online qualifiers for a live event when you KNOW you won't be able to attend the live event without giving yourself away? If William Blaney is the brains behind MagicAmy, it makes a metric shitton more sense to play as yourself so you can attend the live events with the big prizes, doesn't it? Especially considering that all the money that could be made is the main reason people keep saying they think it's fishy that MagicAmy backed out. "Why would she turn down all that money to play at live events if she was real?!?!?", they ask. Well, I'm asking "If money is the primary motivator here, why wouldn't William Blaney just play as himself so he could actually attend these live events that he KNEW he was qualifying for?"
So what would it take? It would take evidence that actually makes some sort of sense, fits with a coherent explanation and stands up to scrutiny.
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MagicAmy proved herself to be a fraud. MagicAmy was given multiple chances to prove herself and she refused every single one. The fact that you so blindly defend a total fraud speaks volumes to the kind of person you are.
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Anybody who defends MagicAmy at this point is a very sad and deluded white knight. Nobody asked her to jump through hoops or do anything special, just actually play the game she was supposed to be a pro at.
User was warned for this post.
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On March 01 2015 00:00 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 18:48 litlnoobs wrote:On February 27 2015 06:21 Elizar wrote:On February 27 2015 05:28 litlnoobs wrote:
So Elizar, a friend just told me that you have sex with goats. I'm not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but my friend says he has proof and why would he lie?
Can you prove his accusations wrong? I mean, it seems simple enough that if you don't have sex with goats that you would easily show us that you don't have sex with goats and his accusation is wrong.
I am going to be highly suspicious though if you choose not to prove these claims wrong. What would you have to hide? That seems fishy if you can't prove these accusations wrong.
I'll be waiting for you to choose to prove these accusations wrong under your own free will. Remember, I am not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but if you don't prove these accusations incorrect, then I wonder why?
Your friend is a liar. Goats? Please ..... Sheeps are the thing! More fluffy u know ... I heard people wanted to improve the community. As it is now I become a troll. Thats said, isn´t it? I do hate trolls and never considered me being one and now I turn into one. Sheeps on the other hand ... so fluffy I´m gonna die! Let´s all become sheeps. Maybe explosive ones. You know why I don´t even consider your accusations worthy a real response? Guess! You´re so smart I´m sure you will figure it out yourself !! Well, at least now we're getting to the point. Now, imagine yourself in MagicAmy's shoes and a bunch of people like myself have just accused her of some bullshit like fucking goats. Do you try to disprove it? Or do what you just did, and walk away? Any reasonable person would walk away. Like you just did. Thanks for playing and proving the point. Cheers. So let's see, I've put tons of time and money into learning a game and am at a level where I have enough popularity and skill to be a professional player of it. Would I prove myself innocent or walk away and waste all the time I've spent on it? It's hilarious that you compare it to a forum post.
Eh, I'm done with goalpost moving, strawmen making tools. If you don't get how her "evidence" was just a bunch of forum posts and that it no way proves guilt, then I'm sorry and I hope you don't live your life treating other people that way because that's sad.
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On February 28 2015 18:48 litlnoobs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 06:21 Elizar wrote:On February 27 2015 05:28 litlnoobs wrote:
So Elizar, a friend just told me that you have sex with goats. I'm not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but my friend says he has proof and why would he lie?
Can you prove his accusations wrong? I mean, it seems simple enough that if you don't have sex with goats that you would easily show us that you don't have sex with goats and his accusation is wrong.
I am going to be highly suspicious though if you choose not to prove these claims wrong. What would you have to hide? That seems fishy if you can't prove these accusations wrong.
I'll be waiting for you to choose to prove these accusations wrong under your own free will. Remember, I am not saying that you actually do have sex with goats, but if you don't prove these accusations incorrect, then I wonder why?
Your friend is a liar. Goats? Please ..... Sheeps are the thing! More fluffy u know ... I heard people wanted to improve the community. As it is now I become a troll. Thats said, isn´t it? I do hate trolls and never considered me being one and now I turn into one. Sheeps on the other hand ... so fluffy I´m gonna die! Let´s all become sheeps. Maybe explosive ones. You know why I don´t even consider your accusations worthy a real response? Guess! You´re so smart I´m sure you will figure it out yourself !! Well, at least now we're getting to the point. Now, imagine yourself in MagicAmy's shoes and a bunch of people like myself have just accused her of some bullshit like fucking goats. Do you try to disprove it? Or do what you just did, and walk away? Any reasonable person would walk away. Like you just did. Thanks for playing and proving the point. Cheers.
Proving wat point? You compare apples to oranges. And there is nothing else to say to your post, that others like dAPhREAk already said.
I´m not in Magicamy´s shoes. I did not work hard for a reputation and I dont have a career. Actually I only watch streams and have not played even one game of hearthstone. That´s why I dont care about goat accusations from randomguyfromtheinternet. And no, any resonable person who cares about the game and made a name in the competitive scene would not simply walk away. At least if these accusations are completely nonsense (which I cannot know). You asked me, what I would do if I were in Amys shoes? Surely, I would not simply walk away. But I am not in her shoes, so that is only a theoretical.
Ah and thank you for calling me a reasonable person! 
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if you just point out the fact that she bragged about dueling savior in zvz, how credible is everything else she says, lol...
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On March 01 2015 10:34 Elizar wrote:
And no, any resonable person who cares about the game and made a name in the competitive scene would not simply walk away. At least if these accusations are completely nonsense (which I cannot know).
Can we please, for the love of Bob, ditch this fantastically dishonest pretense that MagicAmy is just up and leaving for no fucking reason at all? IF MagicAmy is innocent, she is leaving behind a community which banded together to drive her away prompted by nothing but a few speculative forum posts. IF she's innocent, she's ditching a group of people who treated her horribly. It is not unreasonable to stop associating with people who treat you poorly. Christ.
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On March 01 2015 00:58 piegasm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 00:35 Acritter wrote:
If MagicAmy had put up play, I would have watched it. I would also have watched the various play reviews that showed up from professionals. If there had been any modicum of support for her, I would have become an instant supporter. There are many people who are with me. The story of the girl scorned by the community who manages to show how good she is despite hate is a very strong and compelling one, as shown by players like Scarlett. She still gets shit, certainly, but there's a ton of support for her as well. MagicAmy would have gotten the same treatment, probably with even more support.
Let's turn things around. What would it take you to believe that she's a fraud? What evidence do you need? Keep in mind that there does need to be some reasonable standard that can be reached, because otherwise cheats can get away with anything. What would it take for me to believe she's a fraud? How about evidence that actually speaks to the question being asked? -Chat logs show that she was sharing some social media accounts with someone. Not evidence of faked identity or cheating at Hearthstone. -Celerity's bank statement shows he gave her money but not that she "scammed" him. Even if she mislead him about that money, that has nothing to do with Hearthstone. -Nobody has yet even tried to speculate what her motive is supposed to have been. What's the end game? Why fake your way through online qualifiers for a live event when you KNOW you won't be able to attend the live event without giving yourself away? If William Blaney is the brains behind MagicAmy, it makes a metric shitton more sense to play as yourself so you can attend the live events with the big prizes, doesn't it? Especially considering that all the money that could be made is the main reason people keep saying they think it's fishy that MagicAmy backed out. "Why would she turn down all that money to play at live events if she was real?!?!?", they ask. Well, I'm asking "If money is the primary motivator here, why wouldn't William Blaney just play as himself so he could actually attend these live events that he KNEW he was qualifying for?" So what would it take? It would take evidence that actually makes some sort of sense, fits with a coherent explanation and stands up to scrutiny.
You didn't answer the question.
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On March 01 2015 16:05 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 00:58 piegasm wrote:On March 01 2015 00:35 Acritter wrote:
If MagicAmy had put up play, I would have watched it. I would also have watched the various play reviews that showed up from professionals. If there had been any modicum of support for her, I would have become an instant supporter. There are many people who are with me. The story of the girl scorned by the community who manages to show how good she is despite hate is a very strong and compelling one, as shown by players like Scarlett. She still gets shit, certainly, but there's a ton of support for her as well. MagicAmy would have gotten the same treatment, probably with even more support.
Let's turn things around. What would it take you to believe that she's a fraud? What evidence do you need? Keep in mind that there does need to be some reasonable standard that can be reached, because otherwise cheats can get away with anything. What would it take for me to believe she's a fraud? How about evidence that actually speaks to the question being asked? -Chat logs show that she was sharing some social media accounts with someone. Not evidence of faked identity or cheating at Hearthstone. -Celerity's bank statement shows he gave her money but not that she "scammed" him. Even if she mislead him about that money, that has nothing to do with Hearthstone. -Nobody has yet even tried to speculate what her motive is supposed to have been. What's the end game? Why fake your way through online qualifiers for a live event when you KNOW you won't be able to attend the live event without giving yourself away? If William Blaney is the brains behind MagicAmy, it makes a metric shitton more sense to play as yourself so you can attend the live events with the big prizes, doesn't it? Especially considering that all the money that could be made is the main reason people keep saying they think it's fishy that MagicAmy backed out. "Why would she turn down all that money to play at live events if she was real?!?!?", they ask. Well, I'm asking "If money is the primary motivator here, why wouldn't William Blaney just play as himself so he could actually attend these live events that he KNEW he was qualifying for?" So what would it take? It would take evidence that actually makes some sort of sense, fits with a coherent explanation and stands up to scrutiny. You didn't answer the question.
Like hell I didn't. I'm not fucking clairvoyant, dudebro. I don't know specifically what facts it would take because such facts are currently not in evidence. How about all the shit TempoStorm looked for and didn't find? How about evidence that, during a tournament, MagicAmy's HS account connected from someplace she was known to not be? How about evidence of someone with verifiable Hearthstone knowledge talking to MagicAmy with voice and video willing to say that she was unable to speak competently about the game? How about a possible motive for this alleged conspiracy that isn't contradicted by reality?
You want to know why I won't accept a shared skype account as evidence of faked identity? You want to know why one person's word that she was dishonest about X doesn't convince me that she also lied about Y? You want to know why a bunch of amateur psychoanalysts saying she appeared disinterested on camera doesn't convince me that someone was feeding her plays she didn't understand? You want to know why unwillingness to talk to Forsen on Skype doesn't convince me she's hiding the fact that she's really a man? Because I'm not an abject fucking moron. That's why.
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