EPTTempo Storm and MagicAmy part ways - Page 12
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figq
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piegasm
United States266 Posts
I just further want to point out how dishonest it is in the first place to ask "well what would convince you?!" It presupposes that what we already have should be enough, even though what we already doesn't even speak to the specific thing she's being accused of. Not a single one of you jackasses has been able to defend the charges against MagicAmy without skipping fairly important steps such as having evidence which pertains to the specific claims you're making and showing that your explanation for the "evidence" makes more sense than any other explanation. | ||
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Elizar
Germany431 Posts
On March 01 2015 14:35 piegasm wrote: Can we please, for the love of Bob, ditch this fantastically dishonest pretense that MagicAmy is just up and leaving for no fucking reason at all? IF MagicAmy is innocent, she is leaving behind a community which banded together to drive her away prompted by nothing but a few speculative forum posts. IF she's innocent, she's ditching a group of people who treated her horribly. It is not unreasonable to stop associating with people who treat you poorly. Christ. Just because YOU think that the whole community banded together to drive her away doesn´t make it so. If you want to think that way, fine, but that is dishonest as well, also to you and you do many people injustice. There are enough people who give her the benefit of the doubt. But the way she treats the situation does not convince those people. Why should it? Again: That does not prove anything, but it increases the probabilty that it there is sth. to these accusations. | ||
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piegasm
United States266 Posts
On March 01 2015 18:16 Elizar wrote: Just because YOU think that the whole community banded together to drive her away doesn´t make it so. If you want to think that way, fine, but that is dishonest as well, also to you and you do many people injustice. There are enough people who give her the benefit of the doubt. But the way she treats the situation does not convince those people. Why should it? Again: That does not prove anything, but it increases the probabilty that it there is sth. to these accusations. Dude. Do you know someone who has a clue that might let you borrow one? What the actual fuck do you think happened here? Specialist made a post on reddit accusing MagicAmy of being a fraud. Chakki and Blackout released the chat logs they found because they thought it corroborated Specialist's claims. Elyot, Celerity et. al. posted about their experiences, also to corroborate those claims. A whole bunch of people pushed TempoStorm to investigate until they did. What the actual fuck do you call that if not banding together to drive her out? What they thought they were doing was alerting the community that a player was cheating FOR THE PURPOSE OF stopping them from competing in Hearthstone. Do you think they did this with the intent that everyone would ignore them? Here, I'm going to pass on a bit of information that I suspect will come as rather a massive shock to you. Are you ready? Are you sure? Ok... ... Here we go. Brace yourself, now. 1... 2... 3... WORDS MEAN THINGS! You don't get to look at this chain of events and act like simply opting not to use the phrase "band together to drive her out" changes the reality of what actually happened. Holy shit. | ||
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piegasm
United States266 Posts
On March 01 2015 18:16 Elizar wrote: Just because YOU think that the whole community banded together to drive her away doesn´t make it so. If you want to think that way, fine, but that is dishonest as well, also to you and you do many people injustice. There are enough people who give her the benefit of the doubt. But the way she treats the situation does not convince those people. Why should it? Again: That does not prove anything, but it increases the probabilty that it there is sth. to these accusations. Also: It doesn't matter that not every single Hearthstone player believes this shit or participated in pressuring TempoStorm. Some percentage of the community believed Specialists's story, pressured TempoStorm to investigate and are now crowing about how right they were because MagicAmy opted out of the offline event. With very few exceptions, everyone else sat on their hands. For the most part, the only people speaking are the ones brandishing the torches and pitchforks. If you're not speaking against it, you're tacitly giving it your approval. And if you're more worried about the "injustice" done to you by lumping you in with the people who actively participated in this shit than you are about the fact that a community you're part of may have just ruined an innocent person's career for no reason? You'll have to forgive me for concluding that you're a horrible person who does, in fact, deserve to be lumped in with those people. | ||
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Elizar
Germany431 Posts
On March 01 2015 18:47 piegasm wrote: Dude. Do you know someone who has a clue that might let you borrow one? What the actual fuck do you think happened here? Specialist made a post on reddit accusing MagicAmy of being a fraud. Chakki and Blackout released the chat logs they found because they thought it corroborated Specialist's claims. Elyot, Celerity et. al. posted about their experiences, also to corroborate those claims. A whole bunch of people pushed TempoStorm to investigate until they did. What the actual fuck do you call that if not banding together to drive her out? What they thought they were doing was alerting the community that a player was cheating FOR THE PURPOSE OF stopping them from competing in Hearthstone. Do you think they did this with the intent that everyone would ignore them? Here, I'm going to pass on a bit of information that I suspect will come as rather a massive shock to you. Are you ready? Are you sure? Ok... ... Here we go. Brace yourself, now. 1... 2... 3... WORDS MEAN THINGS! You don't get to look at this chain of events and act like simply opting not to use the phrase "band together to drive her out" changes the reality of what actually happened. Holy shit. Yup, you just proved (again) that you see this whole situation as a black and white thing. And anyone who disagrees with you is a clueless idiot to you. And you want to improve the internet? That is never going to happen like that. It is like someone flaming me in dota. It won´t give results, at least not the ones the flamer wants. Case closed. It is simply not worth talking to you. | ||
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Elizar
Germany431 Posts
On March 01 2015 19:03 piegasm wrote: Also: It doesn't matter that not every single Hearthstone player believes this shit or participated in pressuring TempoStorm. Some percentage of the community believed Specialists's story, pressured TempoStorm to investigate and are now crowing about how right they were because MagicAmy opted out of the offline event. With very few exceptions, everyone else sat on their hands. For the most part, the only people speaking are the ones brandishing the torches and pitchforks. If you're not speaking against it, you're tacitly giving it your approval. And if you're more worried about the "injustice" done to you by lumping you in with the people who actively participated in this shit than you are about the fact that a community you're part of may have just ruined an innocent person's career for no reason? You'll have to forgive me for concluding that you're a horrible person who does, in fact, deserve to be lumped in with those people. Injustice done to me? Dont´care, since it was from you. And no, I don´t have to forgive you anything. Your selfrighteous arrogance just improves my last post. Have a nice life, sir! User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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5unrise
New Zealand646 Posts
On March 01 2015 16:43 piegasm wrote: Like hell I didn't. I'm not fucking clairvoyant, dudebro. I don't know specifically what facts it would take because such facts are currently not in evidence. How about all the shit TempoStorm looked for and didn't find? How about evidence that, during a tournament, MagicAmy's HS account connected from someplace she was known to not be? How about evidence of someone with verifiable Hearthstone knowledge talking to MagicAmy with voice and video willing to say that she was unable to speak competently about the game? How about a possible motive for this alleged conspiracy that isn't contradicted by reality? You want to know why I won't accept a shared skype account as evidence of faked identity? You want to know why one person's word that she was dishonest about X doesn't convince me that she also lied about Y? You want to know why a bunch of amateur psychoanalysts saying she appeared disinterested on camera doesn't convince me that someone was feeding her plays she didn't understand? You want to know why unwillingness to talk to Forsen on Skype doesn't convince me she's hiding the fact that she's really a man? Because I'm not an abject fucking moron. That's why. He's right, you failed to answer the question. | ||
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piegasm
United States266 Posts
On March 01 2015 19:26 Elizar wrote: Yup, you just proved (again) that you see this whole situation as a black and white thing. And anyone who disagrees with you is a clueless idiot to you. And you want to improve the internet? That is never going to happen like that. It is like someone flaming me in dota. It won´t give results, at least not the ones the flamer wants. Case closed. It is simply not worth talking to you. God what a joke. Which part of the chain of events I described is inaccurate? None of it? That's what I thought. Reality is not a matter of opinion, diddums. Sorry (not sorry) to break it to you. | ||
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piegasm
United States266 Posts
On March 01 2015 20:35 5unrise wrote: He's right, you failed to answer the question. Does your brain just disengage after reading one sentence? How specific do you want me to be? There are two very specific examples of things that would count as evidence to me in the very post you're quoting. Riddle me this: if you're just going to declare everything that doesn't fit with your preferred narrative insufficient or a lie by fiat, why are you even trying to have this conversation? Just toddle off and believe whatever BS you want and let the grown ups talk. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Penlievskiov
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Elizar
Germany431 Posts
On March 01 2015 23:52 Penlievskiov wrote: The real question is; Why is piegasm not banned yet? Are these pages even modded? It's a bit hard to report cause no one has that option (yet). Kadaver should be set to LiquidHearth duty Hehe, I understand what you mean. Insulting like everybody who does not share his point of view (which he claims to be the absolute truth) normally results in bans om TL. But I´m not a administrator. On the other side, I somehow enjoy watching him rage. I know, I shouldn´t, but it comtinues putting smiles on my face. | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On March 01 2015 23:52 Penlievskiov wrote: The real question is; Why is piegasm not banned yet? Are these pages even modded? It's a bit hard to report cause no one has that option (yet). Kadaver should be set to LiquidHearth duty tl mods are generally not that active on lh. I do have the ability to report people, but I missed the whole magicamy thing, so i didnt read through all of this. I think, it's better to pm a mod if you think something needs to be done. Backseat moderation is also frowned upon here  | ||
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rudimentalfeelthelov
Finland268 Posts
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Elizar
Germany431 Posts
On March 02 2015 02:27 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote: The other real question is why this topic isn't locked yet, the discussion on last 10 or so pages is utterly ridiculous. Agreed. It is not getting anywhere whatsoever. So lock it. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
On March 02 2015 02:36 Elizar wrote: Agreed. It is not getting anywhere whatsoever. So lock it. And after all there is not much left to discuss - she quit, what's all the hassle about now? | ||
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Penlievskiov
Netherlands0 Posts
On March 02 2015 02:25 Hryul wrote: tl mods are generally not that active on lh. I do have the ability to report people, but I missed the whole magicamy thing, so i didnt read through all of this. I think, it's better to pm a mod if you think something needs to be done. Backseat moderation is also frowned upon here Yeah, I know, I just found it amazing after so much insults :o After how many posts did you get a report button then if I may ask? | ||
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
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piegasm
United States266 Posts
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WoodLeagueAllStar
United States806 Posts
If Magicamy fought back she would be in RDU's position. If she doesn't want the fame then that is HER choice. Not "Penis Patrols" choice. Because its a woman though they need special protections from trolls and special protections. If women are superior to men then why do they need special treatment? Anyway who cares because she sure didn't or she would at least fight for it. Why you want to fight for someone who won't fight back is really puzzling. Its the internet man, its not like we are ever going to gather a grand jury together and try Hiram Lee in a court of law, this is literally all we have to go on is accusations and how people react to the accusations. She reacted like Ben Affleck in Gone Girl. When RDU got Hi Mom incident he didn't back down from the scene but people still mock him for Hi Mom. Hosty is all but changing his name to Ghosty because of his incident. Its insane to believe men all want women out when men get treated like crap too. That's the thing your type doesn't get, men get so much bullshit too, its not a campaign against women its a job hazard of being a online gamer. People online have a "douche entitlement" they feel like it is their God given right to mock and tear down streamers. If it gets them through another day at junior high they will do it. All men have to deal with this. Some DO quit too. Were they forced out by the patriarchy too? No they got sick of it. Maybe Magicamy got sick too. I get sick sometimes watching the community. That doesn't mean shit for sexism its just overall community of any video game is a bunch of 9 year old dickheads. Someday you're going to realize women and men are equal and men generally have it worse than women. You know we have to lift everything, women have better educations, educational system works just for them and was toned down to be "less competition focused" neutering boys, women will be the breadwinners soon, more money, Hillary will be president in 2016, women get every decision in a legal battle, all custody of children, men dig every ditch, pave every road, mine all the gold, women will be the upper management in every Fortune 500 company by 2050. Women get treated better in most times because at minimum because men want sex from them. Maybe your case? Men are usually seen as worthless until proven worthy but women are always worth something. Women are better looking and can make more money for modeling and as singers and whatnot. Its really apparent this is becoming a woman's world and so I would just relax on needing to defend women so much. | ||
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