EPTTempo Storm and MagicAmy part ways - Page 8
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Corgi
United States408 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On February 23 2015 11:21 Corgi wrote: Did Silentstorm leave Team Magicamy? Liquidpedia shows him as a former member. Team Magicamy more or less dissolved with Magicamy's signing onto Tempo Storm. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On February 23 2015 08:26 Zato-1 wrote: Looking at the evidence, it really doesn't look like she was innocent though. No hard proof, but a lot of circumstantially shady stuff. Considering the brutal amount of work it takes to get to be a hearthstone celebrity, the fact that Magicamy chose not to go to the offline tournament is perhaps the most damning one. If she'd gone and performed even decently, it would've resulted in a lot of positive publicity for her, which is the best kind of currency for hearthstone personalities. This is correct. TempoStorm has a HUGE vested interest in making her "legit." If she went to an offline event, you'd better believe we'd get them putting up a full-blown article on why she did what she did, even if she lost. They'd point out where she played well, where she made mistakes (because honestly every player makes mistakes), where she made gambles that did or didn't pay off... they'd do so much work to make her legit. And if she did even reasonably well, she'd get fame as the girl who beat the system. I know I'd watch her play. But she didn't. After TempoStorm put their weight behind her, said they believed in her, and gave her an opportunity to be a good employee (by trying to win an offline event, which would raise the status and thus value of TempoStorm), she decided to back out. She might still be completely innocent. That's an option. It doesn't seem remotely likely, but it's an option. But I'm not going to mourn her departure, not when she refuses to do her job after the team put a lot of effort into keeping her afloat. And, as a final point... let's say she had some other reason for never going to offline events from the start. That doesn't excuse her from not telling TempoStorm about it. Making up excuses about visas is not something that you should do if you want to stay part of an organization. I think everything they did was right, and she's getting shown up for a fraud. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
Given that, this has the potential to drag out for a long time and even if the main allegations about her not playing her games are false/disproven. There's still the other stuff with Clarity, et. al. That's not going away no matter what she does and maybe she didn't want to deal with it? I dunno, I agree with you that T/S did the right thing and would have done everything they could have to make the skill / legit issues go away. But I think you're underestimating the effect of personal fallout when you say her running means she was guilty. | ||
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sacade
166 Posts
according to jablol she is a liar http://imgur.com/a/MtnQF http://www.reddit.com/user/jablol according to specialist she will never ever appear on offline event http://i.imgur.com/Zck5VWf.png?1 according to Elyot, founder of Prismata she is a liar "regarding her being a pathological liar, she even told us she had received free plane tickets to Blizzcon to be a translator and would help promote Prismata there, but she never showed up." http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2wcfzv/magicamy_megathread/copmygz according to celerity she is a liar "She lied to me about purchasing a plane ticket to come live with me, and even showed me fake screenshots of a plane ticket with the destination cut off (I mean, really?). " http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2wcfzv/magicamy_megathread/copkg47 according to her team she is a liar "she posted a picture showing an account named LoveMagicAmy as rank #1, indirectly implying it was her achievement" https://tempostorm.com/articles/tempostorm-parts-ways-with-hyerim-magicamy-lee according to magicamy she is better than a bonjwa in SC BW even if no one ever heard of her "I play zerg. A few micro intensive zvz against savior are my most proud wins." https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2reiwo/hi_i_am_ts_magicamy_you_can_ask_me_stuff_i_guess/cnf40dc and according to Callum Leslie, she is a liar "Additionally, one high-ranking source within ESL told the Daily Dot that Hyerim Lee twice changed her reason for withdrawing from the ESL Legendary Series. She first claimed that she had no passport, then that she didn't have a visa, and then finally that her parents were not allowing her to attend. " http://www.dailydot.com/esports/hearthstone-magic-amy-hyerim-lee-identity/ it's obvious that this girl has serious mental issues and she is making excuses to avoid tournament. | ||
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pannra
United States0 Posts
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
On February 23 2015 18:50 sacade wrote: "I don't know why people assume the visa issue was a lie" according to jablol she is a liar http://imgur.com/a/MtnQF http://www.reddit.com/user/jablol according to specialist she will never ever appear on offline event http://i.imgur.com/Zck5VWf.png?1 according to Elyot, founder of Prismata she is a liar "regarding her being a pathological liar, she even told us she had received free plane tickets to Blizzcon to be a translator and would help promote Prismata there, but she never showed up." http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2wcfzv/magicamy_megathread/copmygz according to celerity she is a liar "She lied to me about purchasing a plane ticket to come live with me, and even showed me fake screenshots of a plane ticket with the destination cut off (I mean, really?). " http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2wcfzv/magicamy_megathread/copkg47 according to her team she is a liar "she posted a picture showing an account named LoveMagicAmy as rank #1, indirectly implying it was her achievement" https://tempostorm.com/articles/tempostorm-parts-ways-with-hyerim-magicamy-lee according to magicamy she is better than a bonjwa in SC BW even if no one ever heard of her "I play zerg. A few micro intensive zvz against savior are my most proud wins." https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2reiwo/hi_i_am_ts_magicamy_you_can_ask_me_stuff_i_guess/cnf40dc and according to Callum Leslie, she is a liar "Additionally, one high-ranking source within ESL told the Daily Dot that Hyerim Lee twice changed her reason for withdrawing from the ESL Legendary Series. She first claimed that she had no passport, then that she didn't have a visa, and then finally that her parents were not allowing her to attend. " http://www.dailydot.com/esports/hearthstone-magic-amy-hyerim-lee-identity/ it's obvious that this girl has serious mental issues and she is making excuses to avoid tournament. I wonder what excuses will the white knights come up with now. This girl is either an evil genius or a sick person. However spending 10-16 hours a day is some dedication. Thanks for posting all this sacade. | ||
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BillGates
471 Posts
ZERO EVIDENCE. The other stuff about boyfriends and employees and stuff is her personal business, who the F. cares? | ||
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TeslasPigeon
464 Posts
On February 24 2015 14:00 BillGates wrote: The other stuff about boyfriends and employees and stuff is her personal business, who the F. cares? It's highly suggestive of who her character is and what she is capable of. If she is capable and has been proven to scam people and known companies why is it so hard to grasp that she wouldn't scam a hearthstone team? | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On February 23 2015 18:50 sacade wrote: according to magicamy she is better than a bonjwa in SC BW even if no one ever heard of her "I play zerg. A few micro intensive zvz against savior are my most proud wins." https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2reiwo/hi_i_am_ts_magicamy_you_can_ask_me_stuff_i_guess/cnf40dc WHAT!!? Holy shit that is an unbelievable statement! | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
Anyway, given chance to play offline, leaves HS forever instead kinda says enough. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
On February 24 2015 14:51 TeslasPigeon wrote: It's highly suggestive of who her character is and what she is capable of. If she is capable and has been proven to scam people and known companies why is it so hard to grasp that she wouldn't scam a hearthstone team? It's not hard for people to grasp, noone denies the possibility. Instead, some people don't take the possibility of something as evidence for something. On February 24 2015 15:33 Dromar wrote: WHAT!!? Holy shit that is an unbelievable statement! I agree, but it still doesn't mean she lied. could be a practice match, some friends matches, who knows? | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
I wonder what excuses will the white knights come up with now. They never had any excuses to begin with. Unless we count insulting people as excuse. | ||
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Whoranzone
Germany330 Posts
On February 24 2015 14:51 TeslasPigeon wrote: It's highly suggestive of who her character is and what she is capable of. If she is capable and has been proven to scam people and known companies why is it so hard to grasp that she wouldn't scam a hearthstone team? Well it's obviously far from impossible. Still going from taking money under whatever circumstances from some sad suckers which will never draw any attention and is in essence free profit to something that has an incredibly high chance of going very wrong in public with involvement of other's who obviously have at least some capability as far as hearthstone is concerned for what I expect to be a not exactly incredibly amount of money from reynad is still quite a big step. The risk reward ratio just screams not worth it to me especially when I see shit like this http://img42.com/1lKdZ but well maybe someone who obviously likes to tell tales on a seemingly regular basis might feel different about that. | ||
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piegasm
United States266 Posts
On February 24 2015 17:27 MoonfireSpam wrote: Don't South Koreans just need an ESTA to get in since they are part of the visa waiver programe? Bunch of us got one about 36h prior to travelling there. Anyway, given chance to play offline, leaves HS forever instead kinda says enough. As if that offline tournament offer was some wonderful opportunity. It was an opportunity to subject herself to abuse and absurd levels of scrutiny in a futile effort to prove her worth to a bunch of people who will take every misplay as further evidence that they were right. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On February 24 2015 18:23 piegasm wrote: As if that offline tournament offer was some wonderful opportunity. It was an opportunity to subject herself to abuse and absurd levels of scrutiny in a futile effort to prove her worth to a bunch of people who will take every misplay as further evidence that they were right. When your employer asks you to actually behave as a representative of the company it's abuse? Sounds more like responsibility. Sure there will be haters that can't be convinced, but it's not about them, it's about convincing the members of the community who actually care about professional integrity. | ||
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piegasm
United States266 Posts
On February 25 2015 00:04 Flakes wrote: When your employer asks you to actually behave as a representative of the company it's abuse? Sounds more like responsibility. Sure there will be haters that can't be convinced, but it's not about them, it's about convincing the members of the community who actually care about professional integrity. Read for comprehension please. I didn't say the tournament itself constituted abuse by TempoStorm. If MagicAmy is innocent, she doesn't owe any member of this community jack shit, no matter how much they bleat about professional integrity. People who give a shit about integrity don't go airing suspicions about other people that will ruin their career without being sure. Go explain professional integrity to Blackout, Chakki, Specialist, Celerity, et. al. This is as much about professional integrity as it is about the price of tea in China. | ||
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pannra
United States0 Posts
On February 25 2015 00:59 piegasm wrote: Read for comprehension please. I didn't say the tournament itself constituted abuse by TempoStorm. If MagicAmy is innocent, she doesn't owe any member of this community jack shit, no matter how much they bleat about professional integrity. People who give a shit about integrity don't go airing suspicions about other people that will ruin their career without being sure. Go explain professional integrity to Blackout, Chakki, Specialist, Celerity, et. al. This is as much about professional integrity as it is about the price of tea in China. But she's not innocent. She proved that herself. What's sad is you made this into a sexism issue and the person you were defending is guilty as hell. And you are still defending her. Blind feminism is just sad. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On February 25 2015 00:59 piegasm wrote: Read for comprehension please. I didn't say the tournament itself constituted abuse by TempoStorm. If MagicAmy is innocent, she doesn't owe any member of this community jack shit, no matter how much they bleat about professional integrity. People who give a shit about integrity don't go airing suspicions about other people that will ruin their career without being sure. Go explain professional integrity to Blackout, Chakki, Specialist, Celerity, et. al. This is as much about professional integrity as it is about the price of tea in China. TempoStorm's mission is to provide content for the community. As a representative of TempoStorm, Amy owed it to the team to help provide that content. Even if she's "innocent". Even if none of the drama had ever happened. Based on the discussion in this thread, a good portion of the community wanted to see that tournament happen, for whatever reason. Maybe for some, those reasons were irrational or rooted in prejudice. In any case, it certainly would have generated a lot of publicity for TempoStorm, which is very much in line with their mission. It also would have projected an image of professional integrity: pro Hearthstone players should be competing in Hearthstone. Instead of taking the opportunity to reinforce her career and generate value for her team, she walked away. She was within her rights to do so. Her career could have been ruined by the allegations, but TempoStorm's investigation denied them all, and turned it into an opportunity to display professional integrity, which she turned down. And as I said before, it's not about the stubborn haters, it's about convincing the people who do care. I think you have a very negative "all or nothing" view of the community, which just isn't realistic. edit: I wouldn't bother responding to people talking about the accusations at this point, nothing new is going to come of it imo. | ||
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piegasm
United States266 Posts
On February 25 2015 02:21 Flakes wrote: Her career could have been ruined by the allegations, but TempoStorm's investigation denied them all, and turned it into an opportunity to display professional integrity, which she turned down. And as I said before, it's not about the stubborn haters, it's about convincing the people who do care. I think you have a very negative "all or nothing" view of the community, which just isn't realistic. edit: I wouldn't bother responding to people talking about the accusations at this point, nothing new is going to come of it imo. It is not about professional integrity. Celerity running off to Amy's employer about a personal money dispute is not professional integrity. Blasting this story on reddit is not professional integrity. Not criticizing those who blasted the story on reddit is not professional integrity. Professional integrity only suddenly becomes a thing people care about when they're going over everything MagicAmy has ever said or done with a fine-tooth comb. Funny, that. And it is about the haters because they're the ones making all the noise. There's only a handful of people here calling that bullshit what it is. And I'm sure it's worse at reddit and elsewhere. And even people who purport to occupy some middle ground like yourself are more interested in criticizing Amy for not going to the offline event and convincing those of us calling out the bullshit to shut up about it than in showing the haters that they don't represent the majority view. You don't like that I have a negative view of this community? Then fucking prove me wrong. | ||
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