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On February 21 2015 22:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 19:49 piegasm wrote:On February 21 2015 18:02 Shoxy wrote:On February 21 2015 17:38 piegasm wrote:
... But neither do any of you and you gleefully ruined someone's career based on your suspicions.
Stop white knighting, If she is who she claims she is, none of this affects her ability to play the game. Or you know... stream for the first time ever So being honest about what I actually know is "white knighting". That's fucking hilarious. If MagicAmy is who she claims she is, why the ever-loving fuck would she want anything to do with this community? Seriously, why? I dunno, maybe making a couple hundred thousand dollars in text-to-speech donation jokes on her stream until Twitch makes her silence it, then making slightly less money when donations are just displayed on her stream? That's why Reynad streams despite hating the game and everyone that watches his stream. I mean, seriously. She could rake in money hand over fist and then disappear. That's a pretty obvious incentive to stream and remain active. There's no reason to believe she's some delicate flower (like Reynad) that can't handle people making obvious and stupid jokes at her expense to make a few hundred grand.
What evidence? There is actually ZERO evidence. The "evidence" seems to be wild claims she hasn't played an offline tournament, that means she is bad at hearthstone and someone else is playing for her.
The other stuff is some personal issues with former boyfriend and employer. Its literally ZERO evidence about anything.
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Why doesn't she want to go to a offline event ? anxiety issues of some sort but she could have at least said so hm well best of luck anyways.
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On February 22 2015 03:35 BillGates wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 22:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:On February 21 2015 19:49 piegasm wrote:On February 21 2015 18:02 Shoxy wrote:On February 21 2015 17:38 piegasm wrote:
... But neither do any of you and you gleefully ruined someone's career based on your suspicions.
Stop white knighting, If she is who she claims she is, none of this affects her ability to play the game. Or you know... stream for the first time ever So being honest about what I actually know is "white knighting". That's fucking hilarious. If MagicAmy is who she claims she is, why the ever-loving fuck would she want anything to do with this community? Seriously, why? I dunno, maybe making a couple hundred thousand dollars in text-to-speech donation jokes on her stream until Twitch makes her silence it, then making slightly less money when donations are just displayed on her stream? That's why Reynad streams despite hating the game and everyone that watches his stream. I mean, seriously. She could rake in money hand over fist and then disappear. That's a pretty obvious incentive to stream and remain active. There's no reason to believe she's some delicate flower (like Reynad) that can't handle people making obvious and stupid jokes at her expense to make a few hundred grand. What evidence? There is actually ZERO evidence. The "evidence" seems to be wild claims she hasn't played an offline tournament, that means she is bad at hearthstone and someone else is playing for her. The other stuff is some personal issues with former boyfriend and employer. Its literally ZERO evidence about anything.
You['re right theres zero evidence except that her former employer said, she asked for money for work she claimed she did and didnt do, She asked Jabs money and didnt return it like she promised or asked her.. and she woo'd Celerity and got him to spend 5k by alluding that she was romantically interested in him, later he found out and asked his money back.. She asked sjow for money but he didnt give it to her.. THERE IS NO evidence what are you talking about all those screenshots of her are all fake..
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On February 22 2015 11:08 SunaSunaSuna wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 03:35 BillGates wrote:On February 21 2015 22:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:On February 21 2015 19:49 piegasm wrote:On February 21 2015 18:02 Shoxy wrote:On February 21 2015 17:38 piegasm wrote:
... But neither do any of you and you gleefully ruined someone's career based on your suspicions.
Stop white knighting, If she is who she claims she is, none of this affects her ability to play the game. Or you know... stream for the first time ever So being honest about what I actually know is "white knighting". That's fucking hilarious. If MagicAmy is who she claims she is, why the ever-loving fuck would she want anything to do with this community? Seriously, why? I dunno, maybe making a couple hundred thousand dollars in text-to-speech donation jokes on her stream until Twitch makes her silence it, then making slightly less money when donations are just displayed on her stream? That's why Reynad streams despite hating the game and everyone that watches his stream. I mean, seriously. She could rake in money hand over fist and then disappear. That's a pretty obvious incentive to stream and remain active. There's no reason to believe she's some delicate flower (like Reynad) that can't handle people making obvious and stupid jokes at her expense to make a few hundred grand. What evidence? There is actually ZERO evidence. The "evidence" seems to be wild claims she hasn't played an offline tournament, that means she is bad at hearthstone and someone else is playing for her. The other stuff is some personal issues with former boyfriend and employer. Its literally ZERO evidence about anything. You['re right theres zero evidence except that her former employer said, she asked for money for work she claimed she did and didnt do, She asked Jabs money and didnt return it like she promised or asked her.. and she woo'd Celerity and got him to spend 5k by alluding that she was romantically interested in him, later he found out and asked his money back.. She asked sjow for money but he didnt give it to her.. THERE IS NO evidence what are you talking about all those screenshots of her are all fake..
How does "must be a dude pretending to be a Korean girl" follow from not paying back money you borrowed? Please, connect those dots for me. I seem to be missing something.
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The idea that you need hard evidence to ever believe something about anyone is kind of absurd because none of us could operate on the most basic level if we truly took this approach to heart. In your relationships and in your business you have to make decisions based on imperfect data; the same is true with respect to the credibility of any public figure. If numerous people are posting things about you, about problems in your past business relationships, and if people are observing very strange behaviour during gameplay (detached, unemotional responses), yes it isn't complete proof but it is at least enough to openly question magicamy and ask for some kind of explanation, which to my knowledge is the extent of what most people have been doing. And tempostorm's investigation based on these accusations was legitimate.
I believe everyone should accept these standards including magicamy (as opposed to the absurd standards some people here seem to support - i.e. requiring some kind of unambiguous hard evidence like catching someone in a video recording doing something nefarious), and she should try to meet the accusations openly and transparently. At the end of the day, if all this requires is playing an offline tournament (which she is ostensibly planning on doing anyway since that is part of her job description) I don't see the big deal.
At the end of the day though, when you read Tempo Storm's report they do make a good observation:
As a final point, we asked ourselves throughout the entire investigation “If she/he is a fraud, what is the end game?” because eventually the MagicAmy persona would have had to show up at an offline event as Hearthstone/Tempo Storm continued to grow. It made no logical sense to move from her homegrown team, which collectively placed top 8 at BlizzCon, to work extremely hard with our organization to get results, then “dash” when she’s getting paid for the good work she’s done. That would be the worst con of all time.
In addition to the other observations they made and their general findings I find it unlikely that she was really guilty. But I don't feel like the community did anything wrong. We should notice these oddities and examine the scene; as Kripparian pointed out in his response video there *are* cheaters in online tournaments and I think it helps if the community tries to be wary of these and other similar frauds, and yes, to point out suspicious things even when it isn't 100% proof, because if you follow that logic no one could accuse anyone of anything, and no investigations would ever occur.
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On February 22 2015 14:13 piegasm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 11:08 SunaSunaSuna wrote:On February 22 2015 03:35 BillGates wrote:On February 21 2015 22:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:On February 21 2015 19:49 piegasm wrote:On February 21 2015 18:02 Shoxy wrote:On February 21 2015 17:38 piegasm wrote:
... But neither do any of you and you gleefully ruined someone's career based on your suspicions.
Stop white knighting, If she is who she claims she is, none of this affects her ability to play the game. Or you know... stream for the first time ever So being honest about what I actually know is "white knighting". That's fucking hilarious. If MagicAmy is who she claims she is, why the ever-loving fuck would she want anything to do with this community? Seriously, why? I dunno, maybe making a couple hundred thousand dollars in text-to-speech donation jokes on her stream until Twitch makes her silence it, then making slightly less money when donations are just displayed on her stream? That's why Reynad streams despite hating the game and everyone that watches his stream. I mean, seriously. She could rake in money hand over fist and then disappear. That's a pretty obvious incentive to stream and remain active. There's no reason to believe she's some delicate flower (like Reynad) that can't handle people making obvious and stupid jokes at her expense to make a few hundred grand. What evidence? There is actually ZERO evidence. The "evidence" seems to be wild claims she hasn't played an offline tournament, that means she is bad at hearthstone and someone else is playing for her. The other stuff is some personal issues with former boyfriend and employer. Its literally ZERO evidence about anything. You['re right theres zero evidence except that her former employer said, she asked for money for work she claimed she did and didnt do, She asked Jabs money and didnt return it like she promised or asked her.. and she woo'd Celerity and got him to spend 5k by alluding that she was romantically interested in him, later he found out and asked his money back.. She asked sjow for money but he didnt give it to her.. THERE IS NO evidence what are you talking about all those screenshots of her are all fake.. How does "must be a dude pretending to be a Korean girl" follow from not paying back money you borrowed? Please, connect those dots for me. I seem to be missing something.
Im not saying shes a dude pretending to be a korean girl, Thats what bunch of people said also CHakki she might be real. What is real though is her trying to manipulate a whole bunch of poeople into thinking she was romantically interested in them and then asking money with really shady stories. In Jabs case she didnt even pay back and refused to answer him when he asked about his money back. And there is Sjow according to JAB. Now... these may all not be true, if we didnt see the chatlogs. But honestly all these "pros" are lying? Either way draw your own conclusion from an individual that manipulates by frliting and hinting shes interested and then asking for money. All of that plus the shady things surrounding her. I dont feel like you need any evidence to prove that it stinks.
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On February 22 2015 14:23 radscorpion9 wrote:
The idea that you need hard evidence to ever believe something about anyone is kind of absurd because none of us could operate on the most basic level if we truly took this approach to heart. In your relationships and in your business you have to make decisions based on imperfect data; the same is true with respect to the credibility of any public figure. If numerous people are posting things about you, about problems in your past business relationships, and if people are observing very strange behaviour during gameplay (detached, unemotional responses), yes it isn't complete proof but it is at least enough to openly question magicamy and ask for some kind of explanation, which to my knowledge is the extent of what most people have been doing. And tempostorm's investigation based on these accusations was legitimate.
Nobody is saying you need hard evidence to ever believe anything. That's a BS hyperskeptical way of looking at the world. And you're right. Nobody would actually be able to function in their daily life if they required perfect, incontrovertible evidence of what the outcome would be before they made any decision.
But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about something that will ruin someone's career. Will ruin someone's career. Because let's be honest. That's why this broke. Specialist posted his reddit thread, with the intent that MagicAmy would not be part of the Hearthstone scene afterward. The story blew up, Chakki/Blackout posted their info to satisfy the community's curiosity and bolster Specialist's story. They, I'm sure, believe they are right, but the fact remains that they released this information with the intent of ending someone's career in Hearthstone. That's a big fucking deal. For most everyday decisions, you don't wait for perfect information because it's just not a practical way to live your life. But another human being's livelihood hung in the balance here. For something like that, you make damn sure you're right before you go shouting your suspicions from the mountaintops.
Also, I'm sick to death of people trying psychoanalyze Amy based on her mannerisms in video while she's playing. Tons of people don't wear their heart on their sleeve and people are individuals who respond in many and varied ways to the same things. To look at someone and decide they're suspicious because they didn't react to something the way you think they should is pure, unmitigated horseshit. I mean, watch Lifecoach play some time. On every turn he looks like responsibility for the most important decision history has ever faced has fallen on his shoulders. Other players look bored out of their minds and I've seen every variation in between.
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On February 22 2015 15:15 SunaSunaSuna wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 14:13 piegasm wrote:On February 22 2015 11:08 SunaSunaSuna wrote:On February 22 2015 03:35 BillGates wrote:On February 21 2015 22:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:On February 21 2015 19:49 piegasm wrote:On February 21 2015 18:02 Shoxy wrote:On February 21 2015 17:38 piegasm wrote:
... But neither do any of you and you gleefully ruined someone's career based on your suspicions.
Stop white knighting, If she is who she claims she is, none of this affects her ability to play the game. Or you know... stream for the first time ever So being honest about what I actually know is "white knighting". That's fucking hilarious. If MagicAmy is who she claims she is, why the ever-loving fuck would she want anything to do with this community? Seriously, why? I dunno, maybe making a couple hundred thousand dollars in text-to-speech donation jokes on her stream until Twitch makes her silence it, then making slightly less money when donations are just displayed on her stream? That's why Reynad streams despite hating the game and everyone that watches his stream. I mean, seriously. She could rake in money hand over fist and then disappear. That's a pretty obvious incentive to stream and remain active. There's no reason to believe she's some delicate flower (like Reynad) that can't handle people making obvious and stupid jokes at her expense to make a few hundred grand. What evidence? There is actually ZERO evidence. The "evidence" seems to be wild claims she hasn't played an offline tournament, that means she is bad at hearthstone and someone else is playing for her. The other stuff is some personal issues with former boyfriend and employer. Its literally ZERO evidence about anything. You['re right theres zero evidence except that her former employer said, she asked for money for work she claimed she did and didnt do, She asked Jabs money and didnt return it like she promised or asked her.. and she woo'd Celerity and got him to spend 5k by alluding that she was romantically interested in him, later he found out and asked his money back.. She asked sjow for money but he didnt give it to her.. THERE IS NO evidence what are you talking about all those screenshots of her are all fake.. How does "must be a dude pretending to be a Korean girl" follow from not paying back money you borrowed? Please, connect those dots for me. I seem to be missing something. Im not saying shes a dude pretending to be a korean girl, Thats what bunch of people said also CHakki she might be real. What is real though is her trying to manipulate a whole bunch of poeople into thinking she was romantically interested in them and then asking money with really shady stories. In Jabs case she didnt even pay back and refused to answer him when he asked about his money back. And there is Sjow according to JAB. Now... these may all not be true, if we didnt see the chatlogs. But honestly all these "pros" are lying? Either way draw your own conclusion from an individual that manipulates by frliting and hinting shes interested and then asking for money. All of that plus the shady things surrounding her. I dont feel like you need any evidence to prove that it stinks.
They don't have to be lying for this to be a bullshit way to deal with the situation. If MagicAmy flirted with people who then gave her money and then she evaded paying it back, that's between them and her. Not between them and the whole world including her employer. It's a reason to not lend MagicAmy money, not a reason to destroy her career. Imagine if that was a standard people were actually held to in the real world: that you'd would be unemployable just because you'd borrowed money from people and then made a bunch of stupid excuses and avoided your creditors.
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Have you seen Savjz yesterday when loosing with SilentStorm from team MagicAmy. Now that was some reaction. I wonder if he was really mad with 0-3 or this has something to do with the Magicamy fiasco.
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On February 22 2015 16:28 Solmyr wrote:
Have you seen Savjz yesterday when loosing with SilentStorm from team MagicAmy. Now that was some reaction. I wonder if he was really mad with 0-3 or this has something to do with the Magicamy fiasco.
I think, if you're not kidding, I've got a tinfoil hat I'd like to sell you.
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On February 22 2015 15:30 piegasm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 15:15 SunaSunaSuna wrote:On February 22 2015 14:13 piegasm wrote:On February 22 2015 11:08 SunaSunaSuna wrote:On February 22 2015 03:35 BillGates wrote:On February 21 2015 22:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:On February 21 2015 19:49 piegasm wrote:On February 21 2015 18:02 Shoxy wrote:On February 21 2015 17:38 piegasm wrote:
... But neither do any of you and you gleefully ruined someone's career based on your suspicions.
Stop white knighting, If she is who she claims she is, none of this affects her ability to play the game. Or you know... stream for the first time ever So being honest about what I actually know is "white knighting". That's fucking hilarious. If MagicAmy is who she claims she is, why the ever-loving fuck would she want anything to do with this community? Seriously, why? I dunno, maybe making a couple hundred thousand dollars in text-to-speech donation jokes on her stream until Twitch makes her silence it, then making slightly less money when donations are just displayed on her stream? That's why Reynad streams despite hating the game and everyone that watches his stream. I mean, seriously. She could rake in money hand over fist and then disappear. That's a pretty obvious incentive to stream and remain active. There's no reason to believe she's some delicate flower (like Reynad) that can't handle people making obvious and stupid jokes at her expense to make a few hundred grand. What evidence? There is actually ZERO evidence. The "evidence" seems to be wild claims she hasn't played an offline tournament, that means she is bad at hearthstone and someone else is playing for her. The other stuff is some personal issues with former boyfriend and employer. Its literally ZERO evidence about anything. You['re right theres zero evidence except that her former employer said, she asked for money for work she claimed she did and didnt do, She asked Jabs money and didnt return it like she promised or asked her.. and she woo'd Celerity and got him to spend 5k by alluding that she was romantically interested in him, later he found out and asked his money back.. She asked sjow for money but he didnt give it to her.. THERE IS NO evidence what are you talking about all those screenshots of her are all fake.. How does "must be a dude pretending to be a Korean girl" follow from not paying back money you borrowed? Please, connect those dots for me. I seem to be missing something. Im not saying shes a dude pretending to be a korean girl, Thats what bunch of people said also CHakki she might be real. What is real though is her trying to manipulate a whole bunch of poeople into thinking she was romantically interested in them and then asking money with really shady stories. In Jabs case she didnt even pay back and refused to answer him when he asked about his money back. And there is Sjow according to JAB. Now... these may all not be true, if we didnt see the chatlogs. But honestly all these "pros" are lying? Either way draw your own conclusion from an individual that manipulates by frliting and hinting shes interested and then asking for money. All of that plus the shady things surrounding her. I dont feel like you need any evidence to prove that it stinks. They don't have to be lying for this to be a bullshit way to deal with the situation. If MagicAmy flirted with people who then gave her money and then she evaded paying it back, that's between them and her. Not between them and the whole world including her employer. It's a reason to not lend MagicAmy money, not a reason to destroy her career. Imagine if that was a standard people were actually held to in the real world: that you'd would be unemployable just because you'd borrowed money from people and then made a bunch of stupid excuses and avoided your creditors.
plus. nobody (except maybe tempostorm) has heard her side of the story. why do people accept one person's side of the story as fact?
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On February 21 2015 22:51 piegasm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 21:18 Elizar wrote:On February 21 2015 19:49 piegasm wrote:On February 21 2015 18:02 Shoxy wrote:On February 21 2015 17:38 piegasm wrote:
... But neither do any of you and you gleefully ruined someone's career based on your suspicions.
Stop white knighting, If she is who she claims she is, none of this affects her ability to play the game. Or you know... stream for the first time ever So being honest about what I actually know is "white knighting". That's fucking hilarious. If MagicAmy is who she claims she is, why the ever-loving fuck would she want anything to do with this community? Seriously, why? [...] First I want to say, that I don´t know if Magicamy exists or not. But all this "evidence" makes me at least think that there might be sth. to it. So what would I do, if I would be Amy, you know, the "REAL Amy"? I´d laugh at it and come to a LAN. Do I have to? Hell no, but if I ever want to be taken serious in the future, then yes, I would do it. If I'm the REAL Amy, why do I give a flying fuck about whether I'm taken seriously by the kind of people who've just done their damnedest to ruin my career? These people have already demonstrated that they don't, in fact, take me seriously and they've given me no reason to feel they're worth the effort it would take to win them back over to my side. Show nested quote +Are there things I could do in between those two outcomes? Certainly. Yet it is the internet and people will assume I am a fake. So If I can live with that, well, then there is no reason to cater some "investigators". It's not catering to "investigators" that would keep me away. It would be the constant badgering and questions and mockery. It's easy for someone to whom none of this is happening to say you'd just laugh at it and go. You're not the one having to face that kind of treatment every time you stick your nose out your metaphorical front door for however long you're a part of the ESports scene. Show nested quote +As to your question "why the ever-loving fuck would she want anything to do with this community?": Depends on her/him or course. If she/he is interested in
a) being invited to tournaments
b) streaming or
c) getting paid a salary
then yes, you should want to be part of the community, because you being there will give you these opportunities. Explain why those opportunities are worth enduring the way people would treat her. There are a million ways to get paid a salary. Of course everyone would rather get paid a lot to do something they enjoy than just punch a clock for a modest wage. But if it's a situation where the people you'd have to spend your time around to do the thing you enjoy are treating you like shit? It's incredibly dishonest to act like choosing the more ordinary living in exchange for at least being treated decently isn't a perfectly reasonable choice to make. Again it's easy to act like it's just a bunch of harmless jokes when you're not the target of it.
To make it simple: As long as people are overreacting (like you or the witchhunters do) this is "sth. big". Chill dude. Like you said: "no reason to feel they're worth the effort" And yes, if you would laugh it off, then there would be less drama.
If you can´t take attention then being any kind of public person is simply undesireable (that alone is enough of a reason why I would never go competetive or become a public person).
Why are those opportunities worth it? Well it is money involved. As far as I can see it, she/he is interested in that. She/he proved that already by tricking people to steal their money, so why would she/he now be the saint, who would never try to get more money out of the possible fake persona? She/he seems to have already done that. But again, tricking people seems to be one of your "million ways so get a a salary".
Last but not least: Honestly yes, it seems to me a big joke. Sadly, one where people got hurt. But who hurt whom here? All I know is that people claim to be tricked by MagicAmy. So maybe you are defending the wrong person.
Yet, I still don´t know, if MagicAmy is a fraud or not. As it stands she/he alone could prove all accusations to be wrong. Seems like she/he does not want to. So we will never know. Case closed for me.
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On February 22 2015 19:00 Elizar wrote:
Why are those opportunities worth it? Well it is money involved. As far as I can see it, she/he is interested in that. She/he proved that already by tricking people to steal their money, so why would she/he now be the saint, who would never try to get more money out of the possible fake persona? She/he seems to have already done that. But again, tricking people seems to be one of your "million ways so get a a salary".
Who said she's a saint who would never try to milk the situation further? I was responding to people saying that taking a break is nothing but further evidence of guilt. I'm saying IF Amy is who she says she is, quitting Hearthstone is a perfectly reasonable choice.
Last but not least: Honestly yes, it seems to me a big joke. Sadly, one where people got hurt. But who hurt whom here? All I know is that people claim to be tricked by MagicAmy. So maybe you are defending the wrong person.
I'm not defending anyone. I'm admitting what I don't know and calling people out for pretending to know shit they don't know and citing perfectly reasonable behavior as evidence of wrongdoing.
Yet, I still don´t know, if MagicAmy is a fraud or not. As it stands she/he alone could prove all accusations to be wrong. Seems like she/he does not want to. So we will never know. Case closed for me.
Oh, please. Don't pretend to occupy some middle ground when just earlier in this same post you're talking about MagicAmy stealing money as if you know for a fact that's what happened.
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On February 22 2015 19:35 piegasm wrote:
Oh, please. Don't pretend to occupy some middle ground when just earlier in this same post you're talking about MagicAmy stealing money as if you know for a fact that's what happened.
" ...get more money out of the possible fake persona? She/he seems to have already done that."
"All I know is that people claim to be tricked by MagicAmy."
Yeah, I totally stated those as a fact. Horrible me.
At least I don´t jump on everybody in this thread who thinks sth. might be fishy here. Again: might be.
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On February 22 2015 15:30 piegasm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 15:15 SunaSunaSuna wrote:On February 22 2015 14:13 piegasm wrote:On February 22 2015 11:08 SunaSunaSuna wrote:On February 22 2015 03:35 BillGates wrote:On February 21 2015 22:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:On February 21 2015 19:49 piegasm wrote:On February 21 2015 18:02 Shoxy wrote:On February 21 2015 17:38 piegasm wrote:
... But neither do any of you and you gleefully ruined someone's career based on your suspicions.
Stop white knighting, If she is who she claims she is, none of this affects her ability to play the game. Or you know... stream for the first time ever So being honest about what I actually know is "white knighting". That's fucking hilarious. If MagicAmy is who she claims she is, why the ever-loving fuck would she want anything to do with this community? Seriously, why? I dunno, maybe making a couple hundred thousand dollars in text-to-speech donation jokes on her stream until Twitch makes her silence it, then making slightly less money when donations are just displayed on her stream? That's why Reynad streams despite hating the game and everyone that watches his stream. I mean, seriously. She could rake in money hand over fist and then disappear. That's a pretty obvious incentive to stream and remain active. There's no reason to believe she's some delicate flower (like Reynad) that can't handle people making obvious and stupid jokes at her expense to make a few hundred grand. What evidence? There is actually ZERO evidence. The "evidence" seems to be wild claims she hasn't played an offline tournament, that means she is bad at hearthstone and someone else is playing for her. The other stuff is some personal issues with former boyfriend and employer. Its literally ZERO evidence about anything. You['re right theres zero evidence except that her former employer said, she asked for money for work she claimed she did and didnt do, She asked Jabs money and didnt return it like she promised or asked her.. and she woo'd Celerity and got him to spend 5k by alluding that she was romantically interested in him, later he found out and asked his money back.. She asked sjow for money but he didnt give it to her.. THERE IS NO evidence what are you talking about all those screenshots of her are all fake.. How does "must be a dude pretending to be a Korean girl" follow from not paying back money you borrowed? Please, connect those dots for me. I seem to be missing something. Im not saying shes a dude pretending to be a korean girl, Thats what bunch of people said also CHakki she might be real. What is real though is her trying to manipulate a whole bunch of poeople into thinking she was romantically interested in them and then asking money with really shady stories. In Jabs case she didnt even pay back and refused to answer him when he asked about his money back. And there is Sjow according to JAB. Now... these may all not be true, if we didnt see the chatlogs. But honestly all these "pros" are lying? Either way draw your own conclusion from an individual that manipulates by frliting and hinting shes interested and then asking for money. All of that plus the shady things surrounding her. I dont feel like you need any evidence to prove that it stinks. They don't have to be lying for this to be a bullshit way to deal with the situation. If MagicAmy flirted with people who then gave her money and then she evaded paying it back, that's between them and her. Not between them and the whole world including her employer. It's a reason to not lend MagicAmy money, not a reason to destroy her career. Imagine if that was a standard people were actually held to in the real world: that you'd would be unemployable just because you'd borrowed money from people and then made a bunch of stupid excuses and avoided your creditors.
You seem to be getting it all wrong. Let me simplify it for you. She manipulated people. Aka saying stuff such as a poor situation to get money off of people. Thats beyond flirting. Flirting is only a part of what had taken place. She manipulated a lot of people into thinking she was remotely interested and then she tried to get money. She has done this with a whole bunch of people whom we KNOW for a FACT she did. The screenshots are all out there. Add up her former employers claims and all other pros. Its pretty evident that her character is one full of deception and manipulation. If you ask people for money because of a tough sitaution you're in, the least you 'll do is ask more people. And if you cant pay them back you will atleast, as a decent human being, explain and not ask more people no ? She did however.. A basic scamfest.. Manipulate a lot of vulnerable people into getting you money and as soon as they ask back bail out. Of course her personal life doesnt concern us but when a shady personality does this systematically to all the people she interacts with including her former employer who said she asked for money for things she never delivered and she was continuously lying about stuff.. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out her moder operandi. Honestly, what are you discussing anyway ? That she might be a legitimate person? Sure, she might be, does that change anything? No. I dont think it does.
Edit: I also would like to point out that when Magicalamy discussed "possibly" paying back Celerity ( the guy who spent 5k on her ) That in the chatlogs you can clearly read she said she says will fly to US and pay him back in person but in a taunting fashion. Yet, she refuses to join an offline tournament with a team ( Tempostorm ) who is willing to back her up and support her.
Odd ? My thoughts exactly.
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Jesus my head hurts from this much piegasm. Go join PETA and show boobs everywhere you go.
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On February 22 2015 03:35 BillGates wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 22:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:On February 21 2015 19:49 piegasm wrote:On February 21 2015 18:02 Shoxy wrote:On February 21 2015 17:38 piegasm wrote:
... But neither do any of you and you gleefully ruined someone's career based on your suspicions.
Stop white knighting, If she is who she claims she is, none of this affects her ability to play the game. Or you know... stream for the first time ever So being honest about what I actually know is "white knighting". That's fucking hilarious. If MagicAmy is who she claims she is, why the ever-loving fuck would she want anything to do with this community? Seriously, why? I dunno, maybe making a couple hundred thousand dollars in text-to-speech donation jokes on her stream until Twitch makes her silence it, then making slightly less money when donations are just displayed on her stream? That's why Reynad streams despite hating the game and everyone that watches his stream. I mean, seriously. She could rake in money hand over fist and then disappear. That's a pretty obvious incentive to stream and remain active. There's no reason to believe she's some delicate flower (like Reynad) that can't handle people making obvious and stupid jokes at her expense to make a few hundred grand. What evidence? There is actually ZERO evidence. The "evidence" seems to be wild claims she hasn't played an offline tournament, that means she is bad at hearthstone and someone else is playing for her. The other stuff is some personal issues with former boyfriend and employer. Its literally ZERO evidence about anything.
I didn't use the word evidence in the post at all, so I'm not sure if you were responding to the right post? I was just saying she has a pretty big reason to interact with the community whether she's "real" or "fake" whatever those mean: making a metric shit-ton of money. And not just "a salary" either. This is like a weekend of cutting ties onstream to rake in the cash.
Clearly, for some reason, that's not worth it to her, but saying she has no reason to even try to interact with the community is just silly.
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On February 23 2015 05:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 03:35 BillGates wrote:On February 21 2015 22:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:On February 21 2015 19:49 piegasm wrote:On February 21 2015 18:02 Shoxy wrote:On February 21 2015 17:38 piegasm wrote:
... But neither do any of you and you gleefully ruined someone's career based on your suspicions.
Stop white knighting, If she is who she claims she is, none of this affects her ability to play the game. Or you know... stream for the first time ever So being honest about what I actually know is "white knighting". That's fucking hilarious. If MagicAmy is who she claims she is, why the ever-loving fuck would she want anything to do with this community? Seriously, why? I dunno, maybe making a couple hundred thousand dollars in text-to-speech donation jokes on her stream until Twitch makes her silence it, then making slightly less money when donations are just displayed on her stream? That's why Reynad streams despite hating the game and everyone that watches his stream. I mean, seriously. She could rake in money hand over fist and then disappear. That's a pretty obvious incentive to stream and remain active. There's no reason to believe she's some delicate flower (like Reynad) that can't handle people making obvious and stupid jokes at her expense to make a few hundred grand. What evidence? There is actually ZERO evidence. The "evidence" seems to be wild claims she hasn't played an offline tournament, that means she is bad at hearthstone and someone else is playing for her. The other stuff is some personal issues with former boyfriend and employer. Its literally ZERO evidence about anything. I didn't use the word evidence in the post at all, so I'm not sure if you were responding to the right post? I was just saying she has a pretty big reason to interact with the community whether she's "real" or "fake" whatever those mean: making a metric shit-ton of money. And not just "a salary" either. This is like a weekend of cutting ties onstream to rake in the cash. Clearly, for some reason, that's not worth it to her, but saying she has no reason to even try to interact with the community is just silly.
I'm not saying she has no reason to interact with the community. I'm saying it's not a foregone, obvious conclusion that she would totally do whatever it took to continue with Hearthstone. There are people saying that opting out of the special offline event only confirms their suspicions; that turning down the offline event is not a choice an innocent person would make. I'm calling bullshit on that specific claim because it is, in fact, bullshit. Money, even a lot of money, is not necessarily incentive to endure the treatment she'd receive and I think a lot of people grossly underestimate both how badly she'd be treated as well as how much that kind of treatment can impact a person. They see it as just a bunch of idiotic jokes because that's all it is to them. I think a lot of people have a really difficult time even acknowledging that perspectives other than their own exist, let alone considering what things might look like from that angle.
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On February 20 2015 20:26 litlnoobs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 20:16 Kabras wrote:On February 20 2015 20:00 piegasm wrote:On February 20 2015 19:54 Kabras wrote:
so she got a chance to settle things once and for all and chose the backdoor out.. well, this doesn't prove anything, including her innocence. it could be that she just doesn't care anymore and doesn't want to bother with clearing her HS name but... the way i see it is if she has nothing to hide she might as well have done this one tournament to shut everyone up and then left with a clear rep if that's what she really wanted. now i can't help but think the drama is true. If you think everyone would have shut up and let bygones be bygones just because she participated in this one tournament, you're delusional. it would have been something at least. and since there's no actual proof against her and she would've done that tourney there would have been very little reason for people to keep the drama going. ofc there's always gonna be the guy who stirs shit up just for the sake of it which nobody can ever shut up, but doing that tourney and showing solid play would have been enough for most people i think. tl;dr "prove your innocence" or "if she was innocent, what is she hiding?" So, that's at least 2 competitive female players the user base has chased out of the competitive scene.
Looking at the evidence, it really doesn't look like she was innocent though. No hard proof, but a lot of circumstantially shady stuff.
Considering the brutal amount of work it takes to get to be a hearthstone celebrity, the fact that Magicamy chose not to go to the offline tournament is perhaps the most damning one. If she'd gone and performed even decently, it would've resulted in a lot of positive publicity for her, which is the best kind of currency for hearthstone personalities.
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