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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
whats the point of separating regiaons eu/na again (more money grabbing probably), i miss the old blizzard games so much. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On August 29 2013 02:15 Plansix wrote: Blizzard gets ill will just by existing and releasing games, regardless of their actions. Just like EA gets vote the evil company on earth over the Blackwater group. These claims are totally anecdotal anyways, so we should take them for what they are, baseless rumor. Well, valve has proven that it is clearly possible to dodge all that ill will without running some kind of enormous public relations campaign or anything, so Blizzard/EA etc are clearly doing something wrong. Admittedly in the case of this beta it is mindless Blizzard hate without any reasonable justification but there is a reason that hatred exists in the first place. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 29 2013 02:18 BurningSera wrote: Need key so badly whats the point of separating regiaons eu/na again (more money grabbing probably), i miss the old blizzard games so much.You can buy cards, so they have to comply with the laws of each region for online purchases. Since it is beta, it will be a slow roll out to other regions. On August 29 2013 02:20 Sn0_Man wrote: Well, valve has proven that it is clearly possible to dodge all that ill will without running some kind of enormous public relations campaign or anything, so Blizzard/EA etc are clearly doing something wrong. Admittedly in the case of this beta it is mindless Blizzard hate without any reasonable justification but there is a reason that hatred exists in the first place. There are some valid reasons, but the mindless hate based on past offensiveness gets old and doesn't change anything. The company just gets used to the endless hate and ignores it, or it smothers valid feedback and complaints. And Valve is a weird, privately owned company that works by selling other peoples games through steam. In some way, they are sort of like magic and get to do whatever they want. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On August 29 2013 02:20 Sn0_Man wrote: Well, valve has proven that it is clearly possible to dodge all that ill will without running some kind of enormous public relations campaign or anything, so Blizzard/EA etc are clearly doing something wrong. Admittedly in the case of this beta it is mindless Blizzard hate without any reasonable justification but there is a reason that hatred exists in the first place. Well, I'm not sure I would call it all "mindless Blizzard hate." This is far from mindless. If any other company were advertising a game this way, people would be just as upset-there's an instinctive response from the Twitch streamer system that all these people got keys, why didn't we, and now they're getting even more keys while "the common man" appears to have been stuck getting them from the facebook sweepstakes. People can bust out the buzzwords to call that "entitlement," I call it human nature. Then there's the price tags people are seeing on the invites, which makes it even worse even if you wouldn't sell it because of its psychological impact. Then there's the fact that the marketing strategy, including wave timing, appears designed to encourage streamers to stream Hearthstone rather than play (and now stream) FFXIV. Oh, and the "I've got MY key" or "you got a key, fuck you" people that manage to turn everything toxic don't help. Edit: And, while this isn't Blizzard's fault, the fact that "beta" doesn't actually mean anything anymore for a LOT of games doesn't tilt things in their favor. | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On August 29 2013 03:06 TheTenthDoc wrote: Well, I'm not sure I would call it all "mindless Blizzard hate." This is far from mindless. If any other company were advertising a game this way, people would be just as upset-there's an instinctive response from the Twitch streamer system that all these people got keys, why didn't we, and now they're getting even more keys while "the common man" appears to have been stuck getting them from the facebook sweepstakes. People can bust out the buzzwords to call that "entitlement," I call it human nature. Then there's the price tags people are seeing on the invites, which makes it even worse even if you wouldn't sell it because of its psychological impact. Then there's the fact that the marketing strategy, including wave timing, appears designed to encourage streamers to stream Hearthstone rather than play (and now stream) FFXIV. Oh, and the "I've got MY key" or "you got a key, fuck you" people that manage to turn everything toxic don't help. It may be human nature to feel entitled to free content because it looks interesting to you, but it doesn't mean we should consider that acceptable behavior. Blizzard has screwed up many things with regards to this beta test, like switching back to the key system rather than linking it to a Bnet account, and while it is perfectly normal to be disappointed you didn't get a key in the most recent wave, it is absolutely not OK to be mad at Blizzard about it. Blizzard betas have almost always worked this way, and I'm convinced that the main reason they are receiving so much backlash now is because of all the games coming out nowadays that allow "early access" or "closed beta" if you throw down money in advance. "Closed beta" hardly means much anymore, so people think if an unreleased game has a beta test, they should be able to get into it 100% with minimal effort. Blizzard has never worked that way, so I'm not sure why they expect it from them. I don't really understand your comment about FFXIV. What does that game have anything to do with Hearthstone? Especially with their recent policies about putting their content on Twitch/YouTube, how could Hearthstone possibly negatively impact FFXIV? | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On August 29 2013 03:17 ZasZ. wrote: It may be human nature to feel entitled to free content because it looks interesting to you, but it doesn't mean we should consider that acceptable behavior. Blizzard has screwed up many things with regards to this beta test, like switching back to the key system rather than linking it to a Bnet account, and while it is perfectly normal to be disappointed you didn't get a key in the most recent wave, it is absolutely not OK to be mad at Blizzard about it. Blizzard betas have almost always worked this way, and I'm convinced that the main reason they are receiving so much backlash now is because of all the games coming out nowadays that allow "early access" or "closed beta" if you throw down money in advance. "Closed beta" hardly means much anymore, so people think if an unreleased game has a beta test, they should be able to get into it 100% with minimal effort. Blizzard has never worked that way, so I'm not sure why they expect it from them. I don't really understand your comment about FFXIV. What does that game have anything to do with Hearthstone? Especially with their recent policies about putting their content on Twitch/YouTube, how could Hearthstone possibly negatively impact FFXIV? While you stand on a solid base, you are wrong that Blizzard has never done the whole early access thing. They offered early access to anyone who wanted to play MoP. D3 was fairly easy to get into their beta and they only let you play through the very first portion of the game. This was the case right up until release (that is an advertizing beta in every sense). HotS as well had a very open beta system. While you can easily argue that beta isn't treated like a beta anymore, you can't act like Blizzard is the victim here. If anything, they're victims of their own design, and that doesn't deserve any pity. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 29 2013 03:26 Jermstuddog wrote: While you stand on a solid base, you are wrong that Blizzard has never done the whole early access thing. They offered early access to anyone who wanted to play MoP. D3 was fairly easy to get into their beta and they only let you play through the very first portion of the game. This was the case right up until release (that is an advertizing beta in every sense). HotS as well had a very open beta system. While you can easily argue that beta isn't treated like a beta anymore, you can't act like Blizzard is the victim here. If anything, they're victims of their own design, and that doesn't deserve any pity. No one is really pitying Blizzard. I don’t really pity companies that have successful games that everyone wants to play. I do find the people throwing fits because they can’t get an early access beta key super funny, however. Throwing fits and opting out of contests to receive keys because they don’t like the method they are being delivered is super amusing. Although the word “entitled” is over used, the people who are upset are being quite bratty about the whole thing. It reminds me of a very old Penny Arcade from the initial World of Warcraft Beta: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/04/16 To this day, it is still one of my favorite strips. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On August 29 2013 03:26 Jermstuddog wrote: While you stand on a solid base, you are wrong that Blizzard has never done the whole early access thing. They offered early access to anyone who wanted to play MoP. D3 was fairly easy to get into their beta and they only let you play through the very first portion of the game. This was the case right up until release (that is an advertizing beta in every sense). HotS as well had a very open beta system. While you can easily argue that beta isn't treated like a beta anymore, you can't act like Blizzard is the victim here. If anything, they're victims of their own design, and that doesn't deserve any pity. MoP and HotS are expansions. D3's beta was definitely different from their usual model, but I'm not sure which beta you were playing because up until the very end of that test it was extremely difficult to get into the beta, and as you said, you only got to play through the first 1/3 or so of Act 1, whereas the betas for WoW and SC2 allowed you to play the entire multiplayer experience. The Hearthstone beta is structured very similarly to SC2 or the original WoW beta...this is a new franchise, with fresh gameplay compared to anything they've done before, and the beta test is essentially the full game as it exists now with nothing held back. It makes sense in this case to restrict how many people are allowed this early access, as you don't want people burning out on the game before they feel it is the best possible product, since that will directly affect how many in-game sales they are capable of making. Blizzard has completely botched going about it, but that is the correct way to do it in my opinion. And I'm not acting like Blizzard is the victim. They have had poor PR and a badly laid out plan from the get-go. But that does not automatically make the consumer a victim. Both sides are at fault here. With the way the internet masses have been acting, and unfortunately they speak for the entire community because they are so prevalent and so vocal, forgive me if I feel no sympathy for them either. Blizzard will keep releasing beta keys, to the U.S. and eventually Europe, and the game will eventually come out, and almost all of the people bitching and complaining will still play it. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On August 29 2013 03:41 I_Love_Bacon wrote: The amount of salt in this thread is delicious. You all need a vacation. And here people were saying the word "entitled" was overused... | ||
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
- They are brand new channels. - They have 16 keys between the two of them. - They will giveaway the keys at an unannounced time. Seems legit to me! + Show Spoiler + holy shit there are some shameless ass motherfuckers out there | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
On August 29 2013 03:12 DaCruise wrote: Trump has lost his magic losing 4 games in a row and not playing that well imo. 'Flash lost 2 games, omg slump!' | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 29 2013 03:44 ZasZ. wrote: And here people were saying the word "entitled" was overused... Salty is funnier though. And people whining about not being able to play an online card game because they are not part of the beta is super amusing. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
Trump slump? | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10134 Posts
On August 29 2013 03:51 Plansix wrote: Salty is funnier though. And people whining about not being able to play an online card game because they are not part of the beta is super amusing. C'mon plansix, i haven't seen a person in the later pages whining about them not being able to play and blaming blizzard for that (getting into a beta, is always unlikely). Hell, if i got a beta i would just sell it lol. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 29 2013 03:59 Godwrath wrote: C'mon plansix, i haven't seen a person in the later pages whining about them not being able to play and blaming blizzard for that (getting into a beta, is always unlikely). Hell, if i got a beta i would just sell it lol. We were discussing this: On August 28 2013 22:52 SarcasmMonster wrote: Reddit is revolting right now by not watching streams, opting out of all giveaways, and unfollowing all because of no beta-keys. Gamers can be so desperate. Which is super funny to watch. As everyone on TL knows, I am a sucker for "internet outrage", because I find it super amusing in contrast to real outrage. | ||
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MrStorkie
United Kingdom697 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10134 Posts
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On August 29 2013 03:59 Godwrath wrote: C'mon plansix, i haven't seen a person in the later pages whining about them not being able to play and blaming blizzard for that (getting into a beta, is always unlikely). Hell, if i got a beta i would just sell it lol. And people wonder why Blizzard sent out so few keys. | ||
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