On July 04 2009 21:16 Ghardo wrote: at least try not to act like the 13 years you're old
the thing about palin is that she insults the little bit of human intellect i possess. if she wasn't in politics and representative of the republican party (imagine her in a talk show) nobody would back her up for the naive and uneducated crap she's talking (or can you see russia from alaska?).
Like I've said there is a part of Russia that can be seen from Alaska. Just google it.
shit, you're right. i take everything back - she must in fact be a very intelligent person who knows what she's talking about.
It really is highly amusing. I like the seemingly random capitalisation of words and many superfluous exclamation marks. On top of that it is a really confused jumble, barely coherent in places and littered with ill-formed sentences.
Palin does not deny that she had said that her proximity to Russia meant that she had foreign policy experience. In fact, she says that her state's proximity to Russia "certainly does" enhance her foreign policy credentials.
If you notice the questioning, the interviewer laid two false attributions which Palin got suckered into. First, she falsely claimed that Palin cited her governorship of Alaska as "foreign policy experience," which is as far as I know, a misattribution. Secondly, even after Palin indicated that the entire issue was taken out of proportion, the interviewer continued to pin her to that contention. Obviously Palin was too ungroomed and uncoached to handle a situation like that on the spot.
There's nothing particularly absurd about a governor not being a veteran slogan-slinger on foreign policy issues. At least her response was an attempt at improvision, rather than reaching for the stiff bromides given by professional actor-politicians.
As strange as it sounds, some people simply prefer amateurs to professionals when it comes to politics.
in 10,000 years people will look back on christianity as rediculous as we see the egyptian religions or ancient mayans. i dont know how these people fail to see that their beliefs are just the most recent in a long trend of fail-ology?
Palin does not deny that she had said that her proximity to Russia meant that she had foreign policy experience. In fact, she says that her state's proximity to Russia "certainly does" enhance her foreign policy credentials.
If you notice the questioning, the interviewer laid two false attributions which Palin got suckered into. First, she falsely claimed that Palin cited her governorship of Alaska as "foreign policy experience," which is as far as I know, a misattribution. Secondly, even after Palin indicated that the entire issue was taken out of proportion, the interviewer continued to pin her to that contention. Obviously Palin was too ungroomed and uncoached to handle a situation like that on the spot.
There's nothing particularly absurd about a governor not being a veteran slogan-slinger on foreign policy issues. At least her response was an attempt at improvision, rather than reaching for the stiff bromides given by professional actor-politicians.
As strange as it sounds, some people simply prefer amateurs to professionals when it comes to politics.
On July 06 2009 03:20 cUrsOr wrote: in 10,000 years people will look back on christianity as rediculous as we see the egyptian religions or ancient mayans. i dont know how these people fail to see that their beliefs are just the most recent in a long trend of fail-ology?
its like fad dieting, on a cultural scale.
I have said this exact thing since middle school. I think the main reason people still believe their own religion is that it hasn't been proven wrong like ancient religions. Those religions focused on specific things having gods that we have already proven not to be true. You cant really prove that there isnt an 'all powerful' god who magically does everything and is never seen. Its really just a battle of logic vs faith. Though religion is getting less and less popular, at least in America, so we'll see where the future leads.
Palin does not deny that she had said that her proximity to Russia meant that she had foreign policy experience. In fact, she says that her state's proximity to Russia "certainly does" enhance her foreign policy credentials.
If you notice the questioning, the interviewer laid two false attributions which Palin got suckered into. First, she falsely claimed that Palin cited her governorship of Alaska as "foreign policy experience," which is as far as I know, a misattribution. Secondly, even after Palin indicated that the entire issue was taken out of proportion, the interviewer continued to pin her to that contention. Obviously Palin was too ungroomed and uncoached to handle a situation like that on the spot.
There's nothing particularly absurd about a governor not being a veteran slogan-slinger on foreign policy issues. At least her response was an attempt at improvision, rather than reaching for the stiff bromides given by professional actor-politicians.
As strange as it sounds, some people simply prefer amateurs to professionals when it comes to politics.
Palin did not think it was a misattribution.
Like I said, she was put on the spot and probably thought it her duty as a political initiate to answer the questions as best as she could, rather than challenge the questions themselves. Otherwise, I see no evidence that Palin deliberately used Alaska's proximity to Russia in the connotation bestowed upon it.
Isn't that true for almost any statement about anything? Who are these "some poeple"?
Let me make myself more clear: a large segment of the American public: populists, anti-elitists, political cynics (people who generally tend to believe in the irredeemable corruption of Washington,) and people who have learned to examine character before platform.
On July 06 2009 03:20 cUrsOr wrote: in 10,000 years people will look back on christianity as rediculous as we see the egyptian religions or ancient mayans. i dont know how these people fail to see that their beliefs are just the most recent in a long trend of fail-ology?
its like fad dieting, on a cultural scale.
I have said this exact thing since middle school. I think the main reason people still believe their own religion is that it hasn't been proven wrong like ancient religions. Those religions focused on specific things having gods that we have already proven not to be true. You cant really prove that there isnt an 'all powerful' god who magically does everything and is never seen. Its really just a battle of logic vs faith. Though religion is getting less and less popular, at least in America, so we'll see where the future leads.
I also LOL'd at Palin's resignation letter.
If by proven wrong you mean thoroughly eradicated by a foreign force, sure. You two really need history lessons before you guys post again on the the topic of religions...
BTW this is the exact reference behind the questioning. Read it yourself and see if those assumptions are justified by the Gibson interview:
GIBSON: But this is not just reforming a government. This is also running a government on the huge international stage in a very dangerous world. When I asked John McCain about your national security credentials, he cited the fact that you have commanded the Alaskan National Guard and that Alaska is close to Russia. Are those sufficient credentials?
PALIN: But it is about reform of government and it’s about putting government back on the side of the people, and that has much to do with foreign policy and national security issues Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that’s with the energy independence that I’ve been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy, that I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas development in our state to produce more for the United States.
GIBSON: I know. I’m just saying that national security is a whole lot more than energy.
PALIN: It is, but I want you to not lose sight of the fact that energy is a foundation of national security. It’s that important. It’s that significant.
GIBSON: Did you ever travel outside the country prior to your trip to Kuwait and Germany last year?
PALIN: Canada, Mexico, and then, yes, that trip, that was the trip of a lifetime to visit our troops in Kuwait and stop and visit our injured soldiers in Germany. That was the trip of a lifetime and it changed my life.
GIBSON: Have you ever met a foreign head of state?
PALIN: There in the state of Alaska, our international trade activities bring in many leaders of other countries.
GIBSON: And all governors deal with trade delegations.
PALIN: Right.
GIBSON: Who act at the behest of their governments.
PALIN: Right, right.
GIBSON: I’m talking about somebody who’s a head of state, who can negotiate for that country. Ever met one?
PALIN: I have not and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you. But, Charlie, again, we’ve got to remember what the desire is in this nation at this time. It is for no more politics as usual and somebody’s big, fat resume maybe that shows decades and decades in that Washington establishment, where, yes, they’ve had opportunities to meet heads of state … these last couple of weeks … it has been overwhelming to me that confirmation of the message that Americans are getting sick and tired of that self-dealing and kind of that closed door, good old boy network that has been the Washington elite.
GIBSON: Let me ask you about some specific national security situations.
PALIN: Sure.
GIBSON: Let’s start, because we are near Russia, let’s start with Russia and Georgia.
The administration has said we’ve got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore Georgian sovereignty over South Ossetia and Abkhazia?
PALIN: First off, we’re going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain’s running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we’ve got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable and we have to keep…
GIBSON: You believe unprovoked.
PALIN: I do believe unprovoked and we have got to keep our eyes on Russia, under the leadership there. I think it was unfortunate. That manifestation that we saw with that invasion of Georgia shows us some steps backwards that Russia has recently taken away from the race toward a more democratic nation with democratic ideals. That’s why we have to keep an eye on Russia.
And, Charlie, you’re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They’re very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.
GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?
PALIN: They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.
GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they’re doing in Georgia?
PALIN: Well, I’m giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.
We cannot repeat the Cold War. We are thankful that, under Reagan, we won the Cold War, without a shot fired, also. We’ve learned lessons from that in our relationship with Russia, previously the Soviet Union.
We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.
On July 06 2009 03:20 cUrsOr wrote: in 10,000 years people will look back on christianity as rediculous as we see the egyptian religions or ancient mayans. i dont know how these people fail to see that their beliefs are just the most recent in a long trend of fail-ology?
its like fad dieting, on a cultural scale.
I have said this exact thing since middle school. I think the main reason people still believe their own religion is that it hasn't been proven wrong like ancient religions. Those religions focused on specific things having gods that we have already proven not to be true. You cant really prove that there isnt an 'all powerful' god who magically does everything and is never seen. Its really just a battle of logic vs faith. Though religion is getting less and less popular, at least in America, so we'll see where the future leads.
I also LOL'd at Palin's resignation letter.
If by proven wrong you mean thoroughly eradicated by a foreign force, sure. You two really need history lessons before you guys post again on the the topic of religions...
I think you completely and totally missed their point.
Most of those religions sprung up to explain things we had no explanations for. The sun rising, rain coming, plagues, storm, crop cycles and other such things that we can rather easily explain now but we sure as hell couldn't back then.
I don't think those religions would have survived today regardless of whether the civilization was eradicated or not. It's hard to worship a rain god to bring you rain when nowadays you can tell with relative certainty if it's going to rain or not a week in advance.
Everyone in this thread should listen to this podcast. It's short, and despite the title not actually arguing in support of Palin.
I disagree. In fact, I feel precisely the opposite. I actually agree with many of Palin's positions, but I think she's unequivacobly unintelligent. Listening to her speak, it's as though she's just regurgitating her party's platform without any real analysis or thought put into why. She can read through the script and take a position on an issue, but can't process exactly why that position is superior to alternatives. Watching her telling interview with Couric reveals that when pressed for any sort of analysis on why she holds a particular position, she's completely at a loss. I think this commentator is full of shit and has it completely backward. Sarah Palin IS stupid and is just reciting the Republican platform, whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant to judging her intelligence. If she was a Democrat and recited a more extreme version of whatever the Democrat's platform is, she's still stupid. I think the same way about Biden, dude is a fucking retard.
Sarah, why does being right next to Russia enhance your foreign policy analysis and decision making capability?
Because they're right next to me!
Did you even listen to/read the podcast I linked to? Based on your response it seems like you missed every point.
Palin running in 2012 is going to be effing retarded.
And I'm a republican...
We're going to be so royally screwed in 2012 anyway- I say just skip the drama and give Obama another 4 years (unless he f's up big time somewhere in the next 3 years which he won't) and move on with fixing the economy rather than waste millions more on campaigns.
honestly though what some people seem to forget about the whole being critical of Palin thing is that the republican campaign of calling out obama for lack of experience brought all this shit upon themselves.
On July 06 2009 03:13 MoltkeWarding wrote: If you notice the questioning, the interviewer laid two false attributions which Palin got suckered into. First, she falsely claimed that Palin cited her governorship of Alaska as "foreign policy experience," which is as far as I know, a misattribution. Secondly, even after Palin indicated that the entire issue was taken out of proportion, the interviewer continued to pin her to that contention. Obviously Palin was too ungroomed and uncoached to handle a situation like that on the spot.
There's nothing particularly absurd about a governor not being a veteran slogan-slinger on foreign policy issues. At least her response was an attempt at improvision, rather than reaching for the stiff bromides given by professional actor-politicians.
Two false attributions? You only listed one.
Quote out of the video: Couric: Well explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials. Palin: Well, it certainly does because...
Even if what your saying is right, that she was "too ungroomed and uncoached to handle a situation like that on the spot." I don't think she would have said what I quoted above unless she actually believed that (or she doesn't know the definition of certainly).
and the text of that Gibson interview is a really depressing read.