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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 07 2009 15:14 FragKrag wrote: Uh, since when is Russia an enemy? This isn't the 1960s :< Have you not followed recent events? Georgia? Missile Defense? Medvedev's moves lately? Also, the Cold War ended in 1989, not 1960. PS: Let's get back O/T. Address the fundamental issues I brought forth and stop trying to divert. | ||
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
On July 07 2009 15:11 Aegraen wrote: She is obviously setting herself up so she can work on her PAC for her 2012 run. Her last year was going to be a lame duck session anyways, especially with the constant international/national hounding and the massive partisan slandering and defamation of character (Of which all 15 'ethics' complaints were promptly trounced at a large cost to the state and herself). Need not go on about other frivoulous claims that are taking up her precious time and at a cost of 500,000$. I will say, she isn't my first candidate for 2012, but she is definitely in the top three. I would rather have Jim DeMint for 2012, with either Inhofe, Paul, or Palin as the VP candidate. To those questioning her intelligence, need I remind you of the many questionable comments from Barry Soetoro aka, Barack Obama. No candidate is perfect, and these disgusting remarks, slandering, and defamation of character that is currently being perpetuated is abhorrent. She is the executive of the largest state in the nation bordering one of our enemies (Russia), oversees the two largest US Military bases, and is constantly receiving national intelligence reports. She also is in charge of the highest energy producing state in the nation. Now, I hope you do know, that Alaska has a surplus in their budget, at a time when many states are filing for chapter 11 (Not literally of course), and the EPA shuts off most of Alaska's resources from being used. She does bring out the misogynists in full form. Who know who you are, you can disagree politically all you want, but many of the comments are way across the line. PS. Before the national media spotlight and constant attacks she had a 93% approval rate as Governor. I agree that many comments about Sarah Palin are over the top -- but I understand why people make them. It's become clear that you don't need to know jack to become a big name politician. You just need the right kind of support, and you need to relate to the people in some extremely trivial way. Sarah Palin was IMO a disgrace to the United States the moment she was picked for VP. She is ruining the image of the republican party and I really wish she would just stop. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10870 Posts
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
On July 07 2009 16:15 Velr wrote: I don't think the republican party has any sort of positive image anywhere in the world, at least not anymore... Well Palin certainly wouldn't help their case | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 07 2009 16:12 eMbrace wrote: I agree that many comments about Sarah Palin are over the top -- but I understand why people make them. It's become clear that you don't need to know jack to become a big name politician. You just need the right kind of support, and you need to relate to the people in some extremely trivial way. Sarah Palin was IMO a disgrace to the United States the moment she was picked for VP. She is ruining the image of the republican party and I really wish she would just stop. Politics is philosophy embodied. You don't need to know the GDP of many countries, you don't need to know per capita income in other countries, you don't need to know many, many things. This is why we have the CIA, NSA, other intelligence apparatus' who conduct Strategic Intelligence and present the reports. This is why we have analysts and collectors. It's foolish, and impossible for anyone to be expected to know every minute detail. She is very smart, intelligent, and capable. She would make a fine President. I'm just wondering, what makes you think she is incapable of handling the position? I'd also like to know when governmental role, philosophy, and the constitution were trivial? She embodies more about the Founders than our current President does in a million years (He's more politically and philosophically aligned with Karl Marx, rather than Thomas Jefferson or John Locke (Who was the most influential person on the founding of America)). What ruined the GOP was becoming the Democrat party. Sarah, is what the GOP needs more of. We need more conservatives, we need more Duncan Hunters, more Jim DeMints, more Tom Coburns, more Ron Pauls, more Libertarians, more Goldwater/Taft conservatives. We don't need or want McCains, Grahams, Snowes, Collins, Chaffee's, Powells, etc. For all intents and purposes right now, the majority of the GOP are democrats. Go back even just 10 years and 80% of the current GOP would be (D)'s. Medicare D? TARP? Cap and Trade? Eco-Zealotry? How is this any part of the GOP? Its straight from the statists playbook, aka Democrats principles, of a larger government. /sigh | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
On July 07 2009 15:11 Aegraen wrote: She is obviously setting herself up so she can work on her PAC for her 2012 run. Her last year was going to be a lame duck session anyways, especially with the constant international/national hounding and the massive partisan slandering and defamation of character (Of which all 15 'ethics' complaints were promptly trounced at a large cost to the state and herself). Need not go on about other frivoulous claims that are taking up her precious time and at a cost of 500,000$. I will say, she isn't my first candidate for 2012, but she is definitely in the top three. I would rather have Jim DeMint for 2012, with either Inhofe, Paul, or Palin as the VP candidate. To those questioning her intelligence, need I remind you of the many questionable comments from Barry Soetoro aka, Barack Obama. No candidate is perfect, and these disgusting remarks, slandering, and defamation of character that is currently being perpetuated is abhorrent. She is the executive of the largest state in the nation bordering one of our enemies (Russia), oversees the two largest US Military bases, and is constantly receiving national intelligence reports. She also is in charge of the highest energy producing state in the nation. Now, I hope you do know, that Alaska has a surplus in their budget, at a time when many states are filing for chapter 11 (Not literally of course), and the EPA shuts off most of Alaska's resources from being used. She does bring out the misogynists in full form. Who know who you are, you can disagree politically all you want, but many of the comments are way across the line. PS. Before the national media spotlight and constant attacks she had a 93% approval rate as Governor. You do realized your hero backed out of supporting Alaska right? Like you just said she resigned and now you're saying she still works there. Its very confusing, but thankfully most of the country does not support her. Perhaps there is still hope for America :D | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 07 2009 16:24 HuskyTheHusky wrote: You do realized your hero backed out of supporting Alaska right? Like you just said she resigned and now you're saying she still works there. Its very confusing, but thankfully most of the country does not support her. Perhaps there is still hope for America :D What? Read my first paragraph, I explicitly laid out why she did what she did and her intentions. She didn't back out of supporting Alaska, she stepped down, which was arguably the best thing for Alaska because she wasn't able to fulfill her obligations to the fullest due to all the frivalous court proceedings she had to endure. Ethic complaint after ethic complaint about obvious things she didn't do and had to pay 500,000$ and much of her time, which cost those bringing the complaints ZERO dollars to do. She also isn't my hero. The only hero's I have is our Founders, specifically Thomas Jefferson and my parents. Actually, much of the country does indeed support her. The last poll I saw, had 73% of Republicans favoring her for 2012. The latest poll also showed 4 in 10 are moving towards conservative ideals, and that in general the country is trending further and further right. This coincides with Barry's poll numbers that are dropping significantly. At this point next year, he'll be lower than GWB was. | ||
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
On July 07 2009 16:15 Velr wrote: I don't think the republican party has any sort of positive image anywhere in the world, at least not anymore... i guess the southeast (minus florida) isn't part of the world? there are still boatloads of people who still support the republican party and ALL of their ideals (wtf kansas why would you want tax breaks for the rich?). | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
On July 07 2009 16:32 Aegraen wrote: What? Read my first paragraph, I explicitly laid out why she did what she did and her intentions. She didn't back out of supporting Alaska, she stepped down, which was arguably the best thing for Alaska because she wasn't able to fulfill her obligations to the fullest due to all the frivalous court proceedings she had to endure. Ethic complaint after ethic complaint about obvious things she didn't do and had to pay 500,000$ and much of her time, which cost those bringing the complaints ZERO dollars to do. She also isn't my hero. The only hero's I have is our Founders, specifically Thomas Jefferson and my parents. Actually, much of the country does indeed support her. The last poll I saw, had 73% of Republicans favoring her for 2012. The latest poll also showed 4 in 10 are moving towards conservative ideals, and that in general the country is trending further and further right. This coincides with Barry's poll numbers that are dropping significantly. At this point next year, he'll be lower than GWB was. As much as you want those poll numbers to comfort yourself about the Republican party it simply isn't true. Of course Republicans are going to favor her, what do you expect. That's like saying a majority of Democrats voted for Obama. 4 in 10 moving towards conservative ideals = 6 in 10 aren't. I don't see how that's a good thing for the party at all. If you think the country is getting more conservative you haven't been watching the news for the last 2-3 years. To put it bluntly, if anywhere near half of America supported her she would have had a chance in the 2008 election. They lost by almost 10 million votes, 52.9% to 45.7%. I'm not going to try and convince you which party is better than the other, I will just say that if Palin wins the nomination for 2012 it is an immediate win for the Democrats. Palin does not size up to Barack Obama at all, no matter how perfect some might see her views as being. That aside, quitting her job randomly with little initial explanation as to why is not going to help her. Its as simple as that. | ||
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 07 2009 16:45 HuskyTheHusky wrote: As much as you want those poll numbers to comfort yourself about the Republican party it simply isn't true. Of course Republicans are going to favor her, what do you expect. That's like saying a majority of Democrats voted for Obama. 4 in 10 moving towards conservative ideals = 6 in 10 aren't. I don't see how that's a good thing for the party at all. If you think the country is getting more conservative you haven't been watching the news for the last 2-3 years. To put it bluntly, if anywhere near half of America supported her she would have had a chance in the 2008 election. They lost by almost 10 million votes, 52.9% to 45.7%. I'm not going to try and convince you which party is better than the other, I will just say that if Palin wins the nomination for 2012 it is an immediate win for the Democrats. Palin does not size up to Barack Obama at all, no matter how perfect some might see her views as being. That aside, quitting her job randomly with little initial explanation as to why is not going to help her. Its as simple as that. First, the news is not representative of the people of this country at all. They are actually subversive and are puppets to the state. Come on, tingle in their legs? The obvious political tilts? If you think this country is anything like the people over at MSNBC, CNN, ABC, etc, you must either live in the San Fran corridor, upper Northeast, or Seattle. I actually don't care about the GOP. I'm a conservative/libertarian independant. The GOP left me, I didn't leave the GOP. What I do care about, is those who support the ideals I triumph. Whether, they are LP, GOP, Constitutionalist, Independant, etc. doesn't matter. Are you blind? People are finally waking up to the real Barry Soetoro, only after he is rushing to wreck this country vis a vis Cloward-Piven and Saul Alinsky (Which he has ties to both). If only they would have woken up prior to the election, though, not like it would have mattered all that much in the long run as the GOP and D's are one and the same, especially ol' McCain and Barry. "Overall, 53% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance so far. Forty-six percent (46%) disapprove. For other barometers of the President’s performance, see Obama By the Numbers or review recent demographic highlights from the tracking polls." "The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 33% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-five percent (35%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of –2 (see trends)." http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll He has fallen over 15% in 6 months, and is falling fast. "According to Gallup, despite the election of Barack Obama and the Democratic strength in Congress (or because of it), Americans say they are becoming more conservative. For those who may not have realized it, this again emphasizes the importance to Republicans of restoring their credibility as the party of conservatism. While the mainstream media continues to ask how Republicans will moderate their views to compete more effectively, the reality is that they need to demonstrate that they believe what they say about limited government, personal responsibility, and a strong national defense. Despite the results of the 2008 presidential election, Americans, by a 2-to-1 margin, say their political views in recent years have become more conservative rather than more liberal, 39% to 18%, with 42% saying they have not changed. While independents and Democrats most often say their views haven’t changed, more members of all three major partisan groups indicate that their views have shifted to the right rather than to the left..." http://www.gallup.com/poll/121403/Special-Report-Ideologically-Moving.aspx If Palin wins the nomination for 2012, she is going to trounce Barry Soetoro, ala Reagan in 1984 over Walter Mondale. Once people got the taste of Socialism and Marxism, they'll not be anxious for another bite in generations. We are after all, a nation founded in conservative and libertarian ideals, not from Marx and Alinsky. The people of this country remember this well. "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time." | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
also, you are bolding a 53/46 approval rating which is roughly what the popular vote was -- are these trends typical? i'd imagine that after the post-inauguration boom that almost every president's numbers level off oh, what do you know, 538 beat me to the punch: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/03/yes-obamas-approval-ratings-are.html | ||
Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 07 2009 17:13 benjammin wrote: if you want anyone to take you seriously, don't use rasmussen polls to support your claims also, you are bolding a 53/46 approval rating which is roughly what the popular vote was -- are these trends typical? i'd imagine that after the post-inauguration boom that almost every president's numbers level off I used two different polling agencies. You don't see a 15% decrease in approval rating in 6 months, a trend? Especially considering the speed at which and the manner in which the Democrats are ram-rodding legislature through? Especially, with ol' Barry bypassing, or trying to bypass constitutionally explicit treaty ratification laws. I think people on the other side of the philosophical aisle, will finally wake up from their stupor come the March on DC that is being organized. Let's not even mention the 2nd Amendment March on DC next year...that's going to be enormous. | ||
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Over9k
United States48 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 07 2009 17:15 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: Personally, I think as soon as someone starts using the name Barry Soetoro and calling President Obama a "Socialist and Marxist" then normal right-thinking people should just back away carefully in the required state of nervous bewilderment. Barry Soetoro was his name. Why can't I call him by his name? I'll make this easy: From the Communist Party USA itself: First, some of the radical changes advocated by our Party and other left-wingers did come about during the 30s, and resulted in some lasting improvements for workers. Social Security, unemployment insurance, organizing of mass production workers into unions, increased welfare programs, some government funding for the arts, and many other changes are all things that the CPUSA fought, and still fights for Hmmm, what's going on today? Labor law reform to remove barriers to workers who want to join a union. Card check: Check. Universal prescription drug coverage administered by Medicare. Universal health care system. Centralization of all things power. Check. Unemployment insurance for all workers. Read the latest bills, it goes further than that, actually giving money to those who make less when energy prices enivatibly raise under the false pretenses of 'Global Warming' and CO2 fallacies. - Repeal tax cuts to the rich and corporations. - Close corporate tax loopholes. - Restitution to workers' pensions. - Strong regulation of financial industry. - Regulation and public ownership of utilities - Prosecute corporate polluters. Public works program to clean our air, water and land - Aid to cities and states. Federally funded infrastructure repair and social service programs This is right out of the Democrats playbook, or should I say, Marxists. - No to war with Iraq - End military interventions - Abolish nuclear weapons - End military interventions. - Cut military budget and fund human needs. - Reject Star Wars and Nuclear Posture Review - Enforce civil rights laws and affirmative action. - Legalization and protection of immigrant>rights. - Youth and student bill of rights. Guarantee youth's right to earn,learn and live. Ditto for the above. Oh, don't take it from me, take it from Norman Thomas the Socialist Party Presidential Candidate from 1928 to 1944. "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." No, no, that Barry Soetoro and those democrats are not Marxists, or Socialists. Come on, you have to call a SPADE a SPADE. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 07 2009 17:21 Over9k wrote: Well the decrease in approval rating is expected due to the end of the so-called "honeymoon period", also the economic stimulus effects will take time to reveal their effects...so by the end of probably 2010 there should be a change if Obama is effective Oh, there will be change all right. Just not the change, you're expecting. I'm sure all the pundits will be frolicing about with each other ever wide eyed wondering what happened and how they missed it.... ::: rollseyes ::: Let me tell you, by personal experience, the huge groundswell of conservative and libertarian grassroots movement, that are transcending political party (I've seen a huge number of Democrats at the Tea Parties), will coalesce come 2010 and 2012. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10870 Posts
On July 07 2009 16:37 redtooth wrote: i guess the southeast (minus florida) isn't part of the world? there are still boatloads of people who still support the republican party and ALL of their ideals (wtf kansas why would you want tax breaks for the rich?). Obviously "The World" in this case means... as shocking as that to some of you might sound... The World whiteout the USA. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 07 2009 17:52 Velr wrote: Obviously "The World" in this case means... as shocking as that to some of you might sound... The World whiteout the USA. I'm curious...Since when does the world dictate the domestic policies of a sovereign nation? Who cares what the world thinks, we are Americans and should act in the best interest in America, not what some guy in Switzerland thinks the US should do. | ||
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
On July 07 2009 17:33 Aegraen wrote: Barry Soetoro was his name. Why can't I call him by his name? Personally, I tend to call people by the name they lawfully choose for themselves rather than one I might prefer to call them to make some kind of bizarre "point". Further, googling "Barry Soetoro" brings up a long list of whacko conspiracy sites and blogposts, which is another good reason for backing slowly away from someone who chooses to use it in the face of the obvious fact that the President's name is Barack Obama. I will not respond to the rest of your post other than to say that I see absolutely no sign in the United States of any measure that would invest control of the means of production with working people nor do I expect such policies to be proposed any time in the near future by President Obama. I will add that those policies you outline look pretty good to me, although I doubt many of them will be implemented except in the most watered down fashion. | ||
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