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On July 07 2009 18:06 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 17:33 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 17:15 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
Personally, I think as soon as someone starts using the name Barry Soetoro and calling President Obama a "Socialist and Marxist" then normal right-thinking people should just back away carefully in the required state of nervous bewilderment. Barry Soetoro was his name. Why can't I call him by his name? Personally, I tend to call people by the name they lawfully choose for themselves rather than one I might prefer to call them to make some kind of bizarre "point". Further, googling "Barry Soetoro" brings up a long list of whacko conspiracy sites and blogposts, which is another good reason for backing slowly away from someone who chooses to use it in the face of the obvious fact that the President's name is Barack Obama. I will not respond to the rest of your post other than to say that I see absolutely no sign in the United States of any measure that would invest control of the means of production with working people nor do I expect such policies to be proposed any time in the near future by President Obama. I will add that those policies you outline look pretty good to me, although I doubt many of them will be implemented except in the most watered down fashion.
Ding Ding. Most are enacted!
Way to deflect however. The point stands, Barry is a socialist/marxist. I call a spade a spade. His policies are destructive of everything America was founded as, and what has brought us to become a superpower, despite the socialist programs enacted in the 30s and 60s, though we are about to enter the period that shows how destructive socialism is since we are in ~50 Trillion debt for Medicare/Medicaid/SS.
Read John Locke, Edmund Burke, Articles of Confederation, US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Letters from the Founders, etc. If there was ever a 180 shift from what we were founded as a nation to where we are today with his policies it is this.
In any event, down with the Statists and Collectivists. Mrs. Palin is far more aligned with the founders than most in the GOP, and I can't find one democrat that isn't aligned to the exact opposite of the Founder's views and what the Union was borne as.
PS: DeMint/Paul 2012.
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On July 07 2009 17:40 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 17:21 Over9k wrote:
Well the decrease in approval rating is expected due to the end of the so-called "honeymoon period", also the economic stimulus effects will take time to reveal their effects...so by the end of probably 2010 there should be a change if Obama is effective Oh, there will be change all right. Just not the change, you're expecting. I'm sure all the pundits will be frolicing about with each other ever wide eyed wondering what happened and how they missed it.... ::: rollseyes ::: Let me tell you, by personal experience, the huge groundswell of conservative and libertarian grassroots movement, that are transcending political party (I've seen a huge number of Democrats at the Tea Parties), will coalesce come 2010 and 2012.
It's amazing how you manage to completely dodge (or intentionally ignore) the main point of his reply - that it's normal for every presidents approval ratings to drop after inauguration - and just pick one word "change" (which was explicitly followed by "if Obama is effective") to make your unrelated comment.
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Step 1. Call socialism evil.
Once people got the taste of Socialism and Marxism, they'll not be anxious for another bite in generations. We are after all, a nation founded in conservative and libertarian ideals, not from Marx and Alinsky. The people of this country remember this well.
Step 2. Equate democratic stances with socialism
- Close corporate tax loopholes
- Aid to cities and states.
- No to war with Iraq
- Enforce civil rights laws and affirmative action.
This is right out of the Democrats playbook, or should I say, Marxists.
Step 3. Beg the question.
No, no, that Barry Soetoro and those democrats are not Marxists, or Socialists. Come on, you have to call a SPADE a SPADE.
Step 4. Watch a thread about Sarah Palin turn, perhaps inevitably, to shit.
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On July 07 2009 18:02 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 17:52 Velr wrote:On July 07 2009 16:37 redtooth wrote:On July 07 2009 16:15 Velr wrote:
I don't think the republican party has any sort of positive image anywhere in the world, at least not anymore... i guess the southeast (minus florida) isn't part of the world? there are still boatloads of people who still support the republican party and ALL of their ideals (wtf kansas why would you want tax breaks for the rich?). Obviously "The World" in this case means... as shocking as that to some of you might sound... The World whiteout the USA. I'm curious...Since when does the world dictate the domestic policies of a sovereign nation? Who cares what the world thinks, we are Americans and should act in the best interest in America, not what some guy in Switzerland thinks the US should do.
Oh yeah, we saw how *positive* this attitude worked out for you in the Bush years...
Seriously, your beloved rabid ultra free marked has brought us the biggest crysis since the 1930's and now you are still shouting socialism/marxism at every action/politician that tryes to protect us from future colapses? Well, most probably you just don't know what to shout at all and therefore fall back in your long learned and indoctrinated enemy stereotypes which are also not here anymore since the cold war is over..
Let's shout at everyone that thinks diffrent, yay!
I still think in my first post it was CLEAR that it just meant the World whiteout america, America has to care for it's image on the outside. If you don't know why thats your problem and i for sure won't educate you on this.
Btw1:
A intelligent person, which palin might is (i doubt it, there is just no reason to believe she is), is not better than a retard if he/she lacks knowledge, which palin obviously lacks.
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On July 07 2009 18:16 Jusciax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 17:40 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 17:21 Over9k wrote:
Well the decrease in approval rating is expected due to the end of the so-called "honeymoon period", also the economic stimulus effects will take time to reveal their effects...so by the end of probably 2010 there should be a change if Obama is effective Oh, there will be change all right. Just not the change, you're expecting. I'm sure all the pundits will be frolicing about with each other ever wide eyed wondering what happened and how they missed it.... ::: rollseyes ::: Let me tell you, by personal experience, the huge groundswell of conservative and libertarian grassroots movement, that are transcending political party (I've seen a huge number of Democrats at the Tea Parties), will coalesce come 2010 and 2012. It's amazing how you manage to completely dodge (or intentionally ignore) the main point of his reply - that it's normal for every presidents approval ratings to drop after inauguration - and just pick one word "change" (which was explicitly followed by "if Obama is effective") to make your unrelated comment.
I guess you didn't read the whole article. Sure, President's approval ratings drop, but never as fast as Barry's. His has dropped in a few months time, more than most President's approval ratings drop in a whole year. I would recommend reading that line again, as its the most important one.
A 15% drop in approval rating is substantial and it's only going to get worse. I suspect at best, 40% approval rating by next years time. If I had to guess, I'd say, 33% by next year this time.
Contrast to Sarah Palin who had a 93% approval for over 2+ years. (Even Barry can't boast of this in his home state while he was Senator)
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Osaka27149 Posts
On July 07 2009 18:13 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 18:06 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:On July 07 2009 17:33 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 17:15 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
Personally, I think as soon as someone starts using the name Barry Soetoro and calling President Obama a "Socialist and Marxist" then normal right-thinking people should just back away carefully in the required state of nervous bewilderment. Barry Soetoro was his name. Why can't I call him by his name? Personally, I tend to call people by the name they lawfully choose for themselves rather than one I might prefer to call them to make some kind of bizarre "point". Further, googling "Barry Soetoro" brings up a long list of whacko conspiracy sites and blogposts, which is another good reason for backing slowly away from someone who chooses to use it in the face of the obvious fact that the President's name is Barack Obama. I will not respond to the rest of your post other than to say that I see absolutely no sign in the United States of any measure that would invest control of the means of production with working people nor do I expect such policies to be proposed any time in the near future by President Obama. I will add that those policies you outline look pretty good to me, although I doubt many of them will be implemented except in the most watered down fashion. Ding Ding. Most are enacted! Way to deflect however. The point stands, Barry is a socialist/marxist. I call a spade a spade. His policies are destructive of everything America was founded as, and what has brought us to become a superpower, despite the socialist programs enacted in the 30s and 60s, though we are about to enter the period that shows how destructive socialism is since we are in ~50 Trillion debt for Medicare/Medicaid/SS. Read John Locke, Edmund Burke, Articles of Confederation, US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Letters from the Founders, etc. If there was ever a 180 shift from what we were founded as a nation to where we are today with his policies it is this. In any event, down with the Statists and Collectivists. Mrs. Palin is far more aligned with the founders than most in the GOP, and I can't find one democrat that isn't aligned to the exact opposite of the Founder's views and what the Union was borne as. PS: DeMint/Paul 2012.
Unfortunately the world of today is a far different place than when America was founded. To argue that a state should be static is to ignore reality.
edit: and if you use the word spade to describe Obama again you are gone.
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On July 07 2009 18:19 HeavenPanda wrote:
Step 3. Beg the question.
You sir deserve a medal for a proper usage of "beg the question." Huzzah!
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On July 07 2009 18:20 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 18:02 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 17:52 Velr wrote:On July 07 2009 16:37 redtooth wrote:On July 07 2009 16:15 Velr wrote:
I don't think the republican party has any sort of positive image anywhere in the world, at least not anymore... i guess the southeast (minus florida) isn't part of the world? there are still boatloads of people who still support the republican party and ALL of their ideals (wtf kansas why would you want tax breaks for the rich?). Obviously "The World" in this case means... as shocking as that to some of you might sound... The World whiteout the USA. I'm curious...Since when does the world dictate the domestic policies of a sovereign nation? Who cares what the world thinks, we are Americans and should act in the best interest in America, not what some guy in Switzerland thinks the US should do. Oh yeah, we saw how *positive* this attitude worked out for you in the Bush years... Seriously, your beloved rabid ultra free marked has brought us the biggest crysis since the 1930's and now you are still shouting socialism/marxism at every action/politician that tryes to protect us from future colapses? Well, most probably you just don't know what to shout at all and therefore fall back in your long learned and indoctrinated enemy stereotypes which are also not here anymore since the cold war is over.. Let's shout at everyone that thinks diffrent, yay! I still think in my first post it was CLEAR that it just meant the World whiteout america, America has to care for it's image on the outside. If you don't know why thats your problem and i for sure won't educate you on this. Btw1: A intelligent person, which palin might is (i doubt it, there is just no reason to believe she is), is not better than a retard if he/she lacks knowledge, which palin obviously lacks.
This goes to show you, you don't understand what brought about the housing market collapse. It wasn't 'ultra free market' in fact, it wasn't even free-market. It was government intervention into the housing market, dictating to insurance companies who to give loans out to (IE: Those that can't afford housing). Secondly, there were those people who owned housing far greater than their income could reasonably sustain because they didn't understand what ARM were and as common sense dictates, lost their homes. It's simple, if you can't afford your home, you shouldn't have it, period.
Actually, what makes me shout out against Socialism and Marxism, is the fact that its antithetical to Liberty and Freedom. Liberty and Freedom is directly tied most fundamentally, to property rights, and the individual. Socialism and Marxism is based on a utilitarian basis which is the exact opposite of what Freedom and Liberty stand for.
I'm sure you would have loved 1950's East Germany. There was a socialist haven!
Yes, I'm sure you are fully aware of Palin's executive experience and how it benefited Alaska and why she had a 93% approval rating. Of course, she must be an idiot! How can she even be an executive of one of the most important States in the Union?!
However, a Junior Senator with less than 2 years experience is so much more qualified to run the country. Mr. Community Organizer is just so much more knowledgable...with no executive experience..Hoo-Ray!
Hat Tip: We haven't had free market principles, truly embraced in a long time. Even under Reagan there was far too much regulation and favoring of markets, and since no one will ever end the FED it will always be this way. Milton Friedman and Ron Paul are the two people you need to do a little research about on their position of the FED and why the FED more than regulation is one of, if not the major reason for every market collapse in this country.
PS: You do know Bush was the one who said "I abandoned free market principles, to save the free market." Yeah, thats the 'ultra free market' guy right there! (Most conservatives did not like Bush's policies FYI)
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On July 07 2009 18:19 HeavenPanda wrote:Step 1. Call socialism evil. Show nested quote +Once people got the taste of Socialism and Marxism, they'll not be anxious for another bite in generations. We are after all, a nation founded in conservative and libertarian ideals, not from Marx and Alinsky. The people of this country remember this well. Step 2. Equate democratic stances with socialism Show nested quote +- Close corporate tax loopholes
- Aid to cities and states.
- No to war with Iraq
- Enforce civil rights laws and affirmative action.
This is right out of the Democrats playbook, or should I say, Marxists.
Step 3. Beg the question. Show nested quote +No, no, that Barry Soetoro and those democrats are not Marxists, or Socialists. Come on, you have to call a SPADE a SPADE. Step 4. Watch a thread about Sarah Palin turn, perhaps inevitably, to shit.
I suppose I can let the misogynists run free......I'll take my leave of the thread and let them run rampant.
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United Kingdom2674 Posts
On July 07 2009 18:13 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 18:06 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:On July 07 2009 17:33 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 17:15 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
Personally, I think as soon as someone starts using the name Barry Soetoro and calling President Obama a "Socialist and Marxist" then normal right-thinking people should just back away carefully in the required state of nervous bewilderment. Barry Soetoro was his name. Why can't I call him by his name? Personally, I tend to call people by the name they lawfully choose for themselves rather than one I might prefer to call them to make some kind of bizarre "point". Further, googling "Barry Soetoro" brings up a long list of whacko conspiracy sites and blogposts, which is another good reason for backing slowly away from someone who chooses to use it in the face of the obvious fact that the President's name is Barack Obama. I will not respond to the rest of your post other than to say that I see absolutely no sign in the United States of any measure that would invest control of the means of production with working people nor do I expect such policies to be proposed any time in the near future by President Obama. I will add that those policies you outline look pretty good to me, although I doubt many of them will be implemented except in the most watered down fashion. Ding Ding. Most are enacted! Way to deflect however. The point stands, Barry is a socialist/marxist. I call a spade a spade. His policies are destructive of everything America was founded as, and what has brought us to become a superpower, despite the socialist programs enacted in the 30s and 60s, though we are about to enter the period that shows how destructive socialism is since we are in ~50 Trillion debt for Medicare/Medicaid/SS. Read John Locke, Edmund Burke, Articles of Confederation, US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Letters from the Founders, etc. If there was ever a 180 shift from what we were founded as a nation to where we are today with his policies it is this.
I see no sign of any "deflection", although I see that you simply ignored my quite obvious and straightforward point about the lawful name of the President and standard displays of courtesy and correctness when addressing or referring to people.
Simply repeating your claim that "Barry is a socialist/marxist" and that you "call a spade a spade" will not, I am afraid, make it true. It should be obvious to anyone remotely politically literate that even the total implementation of the series of measures you describe would not be sufficient to make President Obama a "socialist/marxist", so you are not really making any progress at all towards establishing your astounding proposition.
I have already read Locke, Burke, the US Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and various of the letters of the Founding Fathers, but thanks for the suggestion. I regard them with the same openly critical attitude that I regard any historically or philosophically important text and do not, as you seem to, regard them as settling any issue.
As to whether all those measures (which I broadly approve of) have been implemented, I am perfectly happy to stand corrected on certain of them (while reserving the right to disagree over details and the extent of such implementation) but I should point out that:
corporate tax loopholes have not been closed
there is not strong regulation of the financial industry
there is not proper regulation of utilities, nor are they publicly owned
there has not been and will not be an end to military "interventions" or wars
nuclear weapons have not been abolished nor will they be in the foreseeable future
there has been no cut in the military budget, nor is there likely to be one in the near future
As you can see, simply addressing the more obviously preposterous claims you make is quite enough to discredit your entire "argument".
I also note with considerable amusement that while "ending the war in Iraq" is apparently a sign that one is a Communist, it seems that escalating the war in Afghanistan appears nowhere on your list.
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On July 07 2009 18:26 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 18:13 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 18:06 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:On July 07 2009 17:33 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 17:15 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
Personally, I think as soon as someone starts using the name Barry Soetoro and calling President Obama a "Socialist and Marxist" then normal right-thinking people should just back away carefully in the required state of nervous bewilderment. Barry Soetoro was his name. Why can't I call him by his name? Personally, I tend to call people by the name they lawfully choose for themselves rather than one I might prefer to call them to make some kind of bizarre "point". Further, googling "Barry Soetoro" brings up a long list of whacko conspiracy sites and blogposts, which is another good reason for backing slowly away from someone who chooses to use it in the face of the obvious fact that the President's name is Barack Obama. I will not respond to the rest of your post other than to say that I see absolutely no sign in the United States of any measure that would invest control of the means of production with working people nor do I expect such policies to be proposed any time in the near future by President Obama. I will add that those policies you outline look pretty good to me, although I doubt many of them will be implemented except in the most watered down fashion. Ding Ding. Most are enacted! Way to deflect however. The point stands, Barry is a socialist/marxist. I call a spade a spade. His policies are destructive of everything America was founded as, and what has brought us to become a superpower, despite the socialist programs enacted in the 30s and 60s, though we are about to enter the period that shows how destructive socialism is since we are in ~50 Trillion debt for Medicare/Medicaid/SS. Read John Locke, Edmund Burke, Articles of Confederation, US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Letters from the Founders, etc. If there was ever a 180 shift from what we were founded as a nation to where we are today with his policies it is this. In any event, down with the Statists and Collectivists. Mrs. Palin is far more aligned with the founders than most in the GOP, and I can't find one democrat that isn't aligned to the exact opposite of the Founder's views and what the Union was borne as. PS: DeMint/Paul 2012. Unfortunately the world of today is a far different place than when America was founded. To argue that a state should be static is to ignore reality. edit: and if you use the word spade to describe Obama again you are gone.
I assumed since a spade is black and so is Obama you must mean that that is a racist term so I googled it, and obviously it is not.
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United Kingdom2674 Posts
On July 07 2009 18:43 evandi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 18:26 Manifesto7 wrote:On July 07 2009 18:13 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 18:06 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:On July 07 2009 17:33 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 17:15 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
Personally, I think as soon as someone starts using the name Barry Soetoro and calling President Obama a "Socialist and Marxist" then normal right-thinking people should just back away carefully in the required state of nervous bewilderment. Barry Soetoro was his name. Why can't I call him by his name? Personally, I tend to call people by the name they lawfully choose for themselves rather than one I might prefer to call them to make some kind of bizarre "point". Further, googling "Barry Soetoro" brings up a long list of whacko conspiracy sites and blogposts, which is another good reason for backing slowly away from someone who chooses to use it in the face of the obvious fact that the President's name is Barack Obama. I will not respond to the rest of your post other than to say that I see absolutely no sign in the United States of any measure that would invest control of the means of production with working people nor do I expect such policies to be proposed any time in the near future by President Obama. I will add that those policies you outline look pretty good to me, although I doubt many of them will be implemented except in the most watered down fashion. Ding Ding. Most are enacted! Way to deflect however. The point stands, Barry is a socialist/marxist. I call a spade a spade. His policies are destructive of everything America was founded as, and what has brought us to become a superpower, despite the socialist programs enacted in the 30s and 60s, though we are about to enter the period that shows how destructive socialism is since we are in ~50 Trillion debt for Medicare/Medicaid/SS. Read John Locke, Edmund Burke, Articles of Confederation, US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Letters from the Founders, etc. If there was ever a 180 shift from what we were founded as a nation to where we are today with his policies it is this. In any event, down with the Statists and Collectivists. Mrs. Palin is far more aligned with the founders than most in the GOP, and I can't find one democrat that isn't aligned to the exact opposite of the Founder's views and what the Union was borne as. PS: DeMint/Paul 2012. Unfortunately the world of today is a far different place than when America was founded. To argue that a state should be static is to ignore reality. edit: and if you use the word spade to describe Obama again you are gone. I assumed since a spade is black and so is Obama you must mean that that is a racist term so I googled it, and obviously it is not.
You are skating on very thin ice.
List of Ethnic Slurs
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I'm sure you would have loved 1950's East Germany. There was a socialist haven!
Communist protectorate*
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On July 07 2009 18:46 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 18:43 evandi wrote:On July 07 2009 18:26 Manifesto7 wrote:On July 07 2009 18:13 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 18:06 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:On July 07 2009 17:33 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 17:15 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
Personally, I think as soon as someone starts using the name Barry Soetoro and calling President Obama a "Socialist and Marxist" then normal right-thinking people should just back away carefully in the required state of nervous bewilderment. Barry Soetoro was his name. Why can't I call him by his name? Personally, I tend to call people by the name they lawfully choose for themselves rather than one I might prefer to call them to make some kind of bizarre "point". Further, googling "Barry Soetoro" brings up a long list of whacko conspiracy sites and blogposts, which is another good reason for backing slowly away from someone who chooses to use it in the face of the obvious fact that the President's name is Barack Obama. I will not respond to the rest of your post other than to say that I see absolutely no sign in the United States of any measure that would invest control of the means of production with working people nor do I expect such policies to be proposed any time in the near future by President Obama. I will add that those policies you outline look pretty good to me, although I doubt many of them will be implemented except in the most watered down fashion. Ding Ding. Most are enacted! Way to deflect however. The point stands, Barry is a socialist/marxist. I call a spade a spade. His policies are destructive of everything America was founded as, and what has brought us to become a superpower, despite the socialist programs enacted in the 30s and 60s, though we are about to enter the period that shows how destructive socialism is since we are in ~50 Trillion debt for Medicare/Medicaid/SS. Read John Locke, Edmund Burke, Articles of Confederation, US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Letters from the Founders, etc. If there was ever a 180 shift from what we were founded as a nation to where we are today with his policies it is this. In any event, down with the Statists and Collectivists. Mrs. Palin is far more aligned with the founders than most in the GOP, and I can't find one democrat that isn't aligned to the exact opposite of the Founder's views and what the Union was borne as. PS: DeMint/Paul 2012. Unfortunately the world of today is a far different place than when America was founded. To argue that a state should be static is to ignore reality. edit: and if you use the word spade to describe Obama again you are gone. I assumed since a spade is black and so is Obama you must mean that that is a racist term so I googled it, and obviously it is not. You are skating on very thin ice. List of Ethnic Slurs
Calling a spade a spade predates that by only 400 years.
EDIT: I suppose I should have said that he must mean it is a racist PHRASE not term, yet obviously it isn't a racist phrase.
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On July 07 2009 18:46 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 18:43 evandi wrote:On July 07 2009 18:26 Manifesto7 wrote:On July 07 2009 18:13 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 18:06 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:On July 07 2009 17:33 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 17:15 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
Personally, I think as soon as someone starts using the name Barry Soetoro and calling President Obama a "Socialist and Marxist" then normal right-thinking people should just back away carefully in the required state of nervous bewilderment. Barry Soetoro was his name. Why can't I call him by his name? Personally, I tend to call people by the name they lawfully choose for themselves rather than one I might prefer to call them to make some kind of bizarre "point". Further, googling "Barry Soetoro" brings up a long list of whacko conspiracy sites and blogposts, which is another good reason for backing slowly away from someone who chooses to use it in the face of the obvious fact that the President's name is Barack Obama. I will not respond to the rest of your post other than to say that I see absolutely no sign in the United States of any measure that would invest control of the means of production with working people nor do I expect such policies to be proposed any time in the near future by President Obama. I will add that those policies you outline look pretty good to me, although I doubt many of them will be implemented except in the most watered down fashion. Ding Ding. Most are enacted! Way to deflect however. The point stands, Barry is a socialist/marxist. I call a spade a spade. His policies are destructive of everything America was founded as, and what has brought us to become a superpower, despite the socialist programs enacted in the 30s and 60s, though we are about to enter the period that shows how destructive socialism is since we are in ~50 Trillion debt for Medicare/Medicaid/SS. Read John Locke, Edmund Burke, Articles of Confederation, US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Letters from the Founders, etc. If there was ever a 180 shift from what we were founded as a nation to where we are today with his policies it is this. In any event, down with the Statists and Collectivists. Mrs. Palin is far more aligned with the founders than most in the GOP, and I can't find one democrat that isn't aligned to the exact opposite of the Founder's views and what the Union was borne as. PS: DeMint/Paul 2012. Unfortunately the world of today is a far different place than when America was founded. To argue that a state should be static is to ignore reality. edit: and if you use the word spade to describe Obama again you are gone. I assumed since a spade is black and so is Obama you must mean that that is a racist term so I googled it, and obviously it is not. You are skating on very thin ice. List of Ethnic Slurs
This is absurd. "Calling a spade a spade" is an expression, not a slur. This is a very common expression to mean: "To be outspoken, blunt, even to the point of rudeness; to call things by their proper names without any “beating about the bush."
Quite simple, if he wants to ban me for something as stupid as this, let him. Besides Barry isn't even black. In case anyone forgot his mother was white, and I could care less what a person's skin color is. I rather like JC Watts and Star Power.
Anyways, I bid you farewell from this thread, I had to clear this up however.
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On July 07 2009 18:50 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 18:46 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:On July 07 2009 18:43 evandi wrote:On July 07 2009 18:26 Manifesto7 wrote:On July 07 2009 18:13 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 18:06 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:On July 07 2009 17:33 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 17:15 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
Personally, I think as soon as someone starts using the name Barry Soetoro and calling President Obama a "Socialist and Marxist" then normal right-thinking people should just back away carefully in the required state of nervous bewilderment. Barry Soetoro was his name. Why can't I call him by his name? Personally, I tend to call people by the name they lawfully choose for themselves rather than one I might prefer to call them to make some kind of bizarre "point". Further, googling "Barry Soetoro" brings up a long list of whacko conspiracy sites and blogposts, which is another good reason for backing slowly away from someone who chooses to use it in the face of the obvious fact that the President's name is Barack Obama. I will not respond to the rest of your post other than to say that I see absolutely no sign in the United States of any measure that would invest control of the means of production with working people nor do I expect such policies to be proposed any time in the near future by President Obama. I will add that those policies you outline look pretty good to me, although I doubt many of them will be implemented except in the most watered down fashion. Ding Ding. Most are enacted! Way to deflect however. The point stands, Barry is a socialist/marxist. I call a spade a spade. His policies are destructive of everything America was founded as, and what has brought us to become a superpower, despite the socialist programs enacted in the 30s and 60s, though we are about to enter the period that shows how destructive socialism is since we are in ~50 Trillion debt for Medicare/Medicaid/SS. Read John Locke, Edmund Burke, Articles of Confederation, US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Letters from the Founders, etc. If there was ever a 180 shift from what we were founded as a nation to where we are today with his policies it is this. In any event, down with the Statists and Collectivists. Mrs. Palin is far more aligned with the founders than most in the GOP, and I can't find one democrat that isn't aligned to the exact opposite of the Founder's views and what the Union was borne as. PS: DeMint/Paul 2012. Unfortunately the world of today is a far different place than when America was founded. To argue that a state should be static is to ignore reality. edit: and if you use the word spade to describe Obama again you are gone. I assumed since a spade is black and so is Obama you must mean that that is a racist term so I googled it, and obviously it is not. You are skating on very thin ice. List of Ethnic Slurs This is absurd. "Calling a spade a spade" is an expression, not a slur. This is a very common expression to mean: "To be outspoken, blunt, even to the point of rudeness; to call things by their proper names without any “beating about the bush." Quite simple, if he wants to ban me for something as stupid as this, let him. Besides Barry isn't even black. In case anyone forgot his mother was white, and I could care less what a person's skin color is. I rather like JC Watts and Star Power. Anyways, I bid you farewell from this thread, I had to clear this up however.
I am beginning to think that you do not read or process information very well. Naively or otherwise I did not question your use of the phrase, although Manifesto was more suspicious.
What I did question was evandi's ridiculous post, given that the word "spade" can indeed be a racial slur, something that anyone with a reasonable breadth of knowledge would already know, and anyone with the basic ability to operate an internet search engine could discover in a seconds.
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On July 07 2009 18:56 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 18:50 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 18:46 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:On July 07 2009 18:43 evandi wrote:On July 07 2009 18:26 Manifesto7 wrote:On July 07 2009 18:13 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 18:06 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:On July 07 2009 17:33 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 17:15 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
Personally, I think as soon as someone starts using the name Barry Soetoro and calling President Obama a "Socialist and Marxist" then normal right-thinking people should just back away carefully in the required state of nervous bewilderment. Barry Soetoro was his name. Why can't I call him by his name? Personally, I tend to call people by the name they lawfully choose for themselves rather than one I might prefer to call them to make some kind of bizarre "point". Further, googling "Barry Soetoro" brings up a long list of whacko conspiracy sites and blogposts, which is another good reason for backing slowly away from someone who chooses to use it in the face of the obvious fact that the President's name is Barack Obama. I will not respond to the rest of your post other than to say that I see absolutely no sign in the United States of any measure that would invest control of the means of production with working people nor do I expect such policies to be proposed any time in the near future by President Obama. I will add that those policies you outline look pretty good to me, although I doubt many of them will be implemented except in the most watered down fashion. Ding Ding. Most are enacted! Way to deflect however. The point stands, Barry is a socialist/marxist. I call a spade a spade. His policies are destructive of everything America was founded as, and what has brought us to become a superpower, despite the socialist programs enacted in the 30s and 60s, though we are about to enter the period that shows how destructive socialism is since we are in ~50 Trillion debt for Medicare/Medicaid/SS. Read John Locke, Edmund Burke, Articles of Confederation, US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Letters from the Founders, etc. If there was ever a 180 shift from what we were founded as a nation to where we are today with his policies it is this. In any event, down with the Statists and Collectivists. Mrs. Palin is far more aligned with the founders than most in the GOP, and I can't find one democrat that isn't aligned to the exact opposite of the Founder's views and what the Union was borne as. PS: DeMint/Paul 2012. Unfortunately the world of today is a far different place than when America was founded. To argue that a state should be static is to ignore reality. edit: and if you use the word spade to describe Obama again you are gone. I assumed since a spade is black and so is Obama you must mean that that is a racist term so I googled it, and obviously it is not. You are skating on very thin ice. List of Ethnic Slurs This is absurd. "Calling a spade a spade" is an expression, not a slur. This is a very common expression to mean: "To be outspoken, blunt, even to the point of rudeness; to call things by their proper names without any “beating about the bush." Quite simple, if he wants to ban me for something as stupid as this, let him. Besides Barry isn't even black. In case anyone forgot his mother was white, and I could care less what a person's skin color is. I rather like JC Watts and Star Power. Anyways, I bid you farewell from this thread, I had to clear this up however. I am beginning to think that you do not read or process information very well. Naively or otherwise I did not question your use of the phrase, although Manifesto was more suspicious. What I did question was evandi's ridiculous post, given that the word "spade" can indeed be a racial slur, something that anyone with a reasonable breadth of knowledge would already know, and anyone with the basic ability to operate an internet search engine could discover in a seconds.
I meant to say phrase instead of term.
And why must I know that spade is a racist term? What about Sambo? Who uses those words these days offensively? No, I don't hang around with very many racist centenarians.
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The collapse was pretty much a free marked fail.
Yes, the government was involved and has its share of guilt for it, but what in the end let the bubble really explode was pure greed of the financial institutes which seemed to completely have forgotten terms like *risk management* or ... sanity. You can't blame government involvement for this.
Btw: Approval ratings mean shit, it's just a measurement of how much popular stuff a politician could do and how many unpopular things he had to do. To judge a politician on the *now* is in many cases just not possible, especially when it's about economical topics... Until any, except extreme ones, action the government takes now shows some effect at least 1-2 years pass.
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The causes of the credit bubble are fairly plain: a lot of people working in financial institutions were making a lot of money by indulging in hugely risky financial practices which involved sums of money so massive that they jeopardized the stability of the entire system.
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On July 07 2009 18:49 evandi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 18:46 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:On July 07 2009 18:43 evandi wrote:On July 07 2009 18:26 Manifesto7 wrote:On July 07 2009 18:13 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 18:06 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:On July 07 2009 17:33 Aegraen wrote:On July 07 2009 17:15 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
Personally, I think as soon as someone starts using the name Barry Soetoro and calling President Obama a "Socialist and Marxist" then normal right-thinking people should just back away carefully in the required state of nervous bewilderment. Barry Soetoro was his name. Why can't I call him by his name? Personally, I tend to call people by the name they lawfully choose for themselves rather than one I might prefer to call them to make some kind of bizarre "point". Further, googling "Barry Soetoro" brings up a long list of whacko conspiracy sites and blogposts, which is another good reason for backing slowly away from someone who chooses to use it in the face of the obvious fact that the President's name is Barack Obama. I will not respond to the rest of your post other than to say that I see absolutely no sign in the United States of any measure that would invest control of the means of production with working people nor do I expect such policies to be proposed any time in the near future by President Obama. I will add that those policies you outline look pretty good to me, although I doubt many of them will be implemented except in the most watered down fashion. Ding Ding. Most are enacted! Way to deflect however. The point stands, Barry is a socialist/marxist. I call a spade a spade. His policies are destructive of everything America was founded as, and what has brought us to become a superpower, despite the socialist programs enacted in the 30s and 60s, though we are about to enter the period that shows how destructive socialism is since we are in ~50 Trillion debt for Medicare/Medicaid/SS. Read John Locke, Edmund Burke, Articles of Confederation, US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Letters from the Founders, etc. If there was ever a 180 shift from what we were founded as a nation to where we are today with his policies it is this. In any event, down with the Statists and Collectivists. Mrs. Palin is far more aligned with the founders than most in the GOP, and I can't find one democrat that isn't aligned to the exact opposite of the Founder's views and what the Union was borne as. PS: DeMint/Paul 2012. Unfortunately the world of today is a far different place than when America was founded. To argue that a state should be static is to ignore reality. edit: and if you use the word spade to describe Obama again you are gone. I assumed since a spade is black and so is Obama you must mean that that is a racist term so I googled it, and obviously it is not. You are skating on very thin ice. List of Ethnic Slurs Calling a spade a spade predates that by only 400 years. EDIT: I suppose I should have said that he must mean it is a racist PHRASE not term, yet obviously it isn't a racist phrase.
Yes, you should have.
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