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stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
July 01 2009 20:58 GMT
#101
yes i am a firm believer of alien life. I also believe the multiverse theory and that the universe is extremely small compared to what else is out there, which would increase the chance of alien life existing to 99.999999999%
hi
MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
July 01 2009 21:09 GMT
#102
On July 01 2009 23:47 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2009 14:34 Sosha wrote:
Theres possibilites of both kinds of aliens, the technologically advanced, but also the rather bug-like or totally hideous kind that's hell-bent on infesting and expanding.

What makes you think humanity does not fall into this category?

Zerg?
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
July 01 2009 21:15 GMT
#103
There are actually a lot of factors in the argument against the belief of alien lifeforms as well. Yes, Earth is just one of a gazillion planetary bodies and it seems unlikely that not one of them will harbor alien life form but at the same time we need to realize, the lifespan of this world is just a blink in the scale of the life span of the universe. As a result, not only do we have to factor in mind that Earth offers a variety of flukes that allow the planet to support lifeforms but also the time frame of our existence is very minute making the chances of there being another alien life form existing at the same time a lot smaller than most people think. (Not sure if that last part makes any sense but I'm too lazy to really clarify it) Personally I do believe there are alien lifeforms but I don't believe homo sapiens will be encountering any.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
July 01 2009 21:28 GMT
#104
On July 02 2009 06:15 KissBlade wrote:the lifespan of this world is just a blink in the scale of the life span of the universe. As a result, not only do we have to factor in mind that Earth offers a variety of flukes that allow the planet to support lifeforms but also the time frame of our existence is very minute making the chances of there being another alien life form existing at the same time a lot smaller than most people think.

I think that's a really weak argument. Just because the time span is relatively short, doesn't give any reason to believe that among the trillions and trillions and trillions of other planets there isn't one experiencing the same phenomenon as ours. When people are calculating the likelihood a planet can support life, calculating distance from the sun, atmosphere, size, etc... All those obviously include time. No one is talking about planets that were or will be capable of sustaining life, we're talking about right now at this moment. To me, saying it's unlikely a planet is experiencing the same conditions as the earth right now isn't any more foolish than saying it's unlikely out of 7 billion people that 2 of them will blink at the exact same time, every second of every day. Now imagine that with a number of people you can't even imagine and that's how likely it is another planet is doing the same things as ours, give or take a million years, like you might give or take a nanosecond of difference between two people blinking.
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liquorice
Profile Joined August 2008
United States170 Posts
July 01 2009 21:35 GMT
#105
I, for one, am entirely certain that there is other life. We're not special.
fuck yeah zerglings!
irishash
Profile Joined November 2008
United States285 Posts
July 02 2009 19:16 GMT
#106
On July 02 2009 06:15 KissBlade wrote:
There are actually a lot of factors in the argument against the belief of alien lifeforms as well. Yes, Earth is just one of a gazillion planetary bodies and it seems unlikely that not one of them will harbor alien life form but at the same time we need to realize, the lifespan of this world is just a blink in the scale of the life span of the universe. As a result, not only do we have to factor in mind that Earth offers a variety of flukes that allow the planet to support lifeforms but also the time frame of our existence is very minute making the chances of there being another alien life form existing at the same time a lot smaller than most people think. (Not sure if that last part makes any sense but I'm too lazy to really clarify it) Personally I do believe there are alien lifeforms but I don't believe homo sapiens will be encountering any.


the thing is we don't really know how long we've (human beings) have been on earth or in existence in general. there are findings every week that change scientists' view on all sorts of things related to how and when human beings got to be on earth, and what is needed to sustain life. not much is set in stone in science nowadays, there are breakthroughs that totally reverse the way of thinking on similar subjects such as the uni vs multiverse, 10, 11, and even 25 dimension theories, dark vs anti matter, etc.

on another note, for shits and giggles check this edited photo from the 1994 Clementine mission of obviously a building or starship on the moon. keep in mind this is an official photo from the navy/nasa. http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/cgi-bin/clementine/clib/multires.pl?click.x=42&click.y=153&clickres=5&ox=0&oy=0&res=0&size=768&latitude=0&longitude=0&sensor=UVVIS&filter=415_nm

this is the page i found that from. click anywhere on the moon to see pics of that area.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
July 02 2009 19:30 GMT
#107
OP fails so bad, Where the hell do you get your information? How do you know people believe in other supernatural things over aliens?

On a related note, there are an equal amount of lame shows on ALL THE TIME regarding pseudo science and beliefs. All with their own pathetic attempt of creepy music, retarded dramatizations & eye witnesses, and disinformation.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-02 19:52:46
July 02 2009 19:33 GMT
#108
On July 03 2009 04:16 irishash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2009 06:15 KissBlade wrote:
There are actually a lot of factors in the argument against the belief of alien lifeforms as well. Yes, Earth is just one of a gazillion planetary bodies and it seems unlikely that not one of them will harbor alien life form but at the same time we need to realize, the lifespan of this world is just a blink in the scale of the life span of the universe. As a result, not only do we have to factor in mind that Earth offers a variety of flukes that allow the planet to support lifeforms but also the time frame of our existence is very minute making the chances of there being another alien life form existing at the same time a lot smaller than most people think. (Not sure if that last part makes any sense but I'm too lazy to really clarify it) Personally I do believe there are alien lifeforms but I don't believe homo sapiens will be encountering any.


the thing is we don't really know how long we've (human beings) have been on earth or in existence in general. there are findings every week that change scientists' view on all sorts of things related to how and when human beings got to be on earth, and what is needed to sustain life. not much is set in stone in science nowadays, there are breakthroughs that totally reverse the way of thinking on similar subjects such as the uni vs multiverse, 10, 11, and even 25 dimension theories, dark vs anti matter, etc.

on another note, for shits and giggles check this edited photo from the 1994 Clementine mission of obviously a building or starship on the moon. keep in mind this is an official photo from the navy/nasa. http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/cgi-bin/clementine/clib/multires.pl?click.x=42&click.y=153&clickres=5&ox=0&oy=0&res=0&size=768&latitude=0&longitude=0&sensor=UVVIS&filter=415_nm

this is the page i found that from. click anywhere on the moon to see pics of that area.


obvious? what? I don't see anything wtf.


Just because there is a blurr on an image doesn't mean there is alien life there. It could be a number of reasons.
1) error
2) gov't is building shit up there (that is uknown to the public)
3) military security (also related to 2 maybe)
4) stuff that just looks questionable and they don't wanna cause a stir before they actually get a chance to check it out themselves.

etc etc , there are literaly hundreds of things it could be, and outright assuming that it is alien is completely closed minded. You have to look at all the possibilities and evidence for all of them.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
July 02 2009 19:35 GMT
#109
On July 02 2009 06:28 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2009 06:15 KissBlade wrote:the lifespan of this world is just a blink in the scale of the life span of the universe. As a result, not only do we have to factor in mind that Earth offers a variety of flukes that allow the planet to support lifeforms but also the time frame of our existence is very minute making the chances of there being another alien life form existing at the same time a lot smaller than most people think.

I think that's a really weak argument. Just because the time span is relatively short, doesn't give any reason to believe that among the trillions and trillions and trillions of other planets there isn't one experiencing the same phenomenon as ours. When people are calculating the likelihood a planet can support life, calculating distance from the sun, atmosphere, size, etc... All those obviously include time. No one is talking about planets that were or will be capable of sustaining life, we're talking about right now at this moment. To me, saying it's unlikely a planet is experiencing the same conditions as the earth right now isn't any more foolish than saying it's unlikely out of 7 billion people that 2 of them will blink at the exact same time, every second of every day. Now imagine that with a number of people you can't even imagine and that's how likely it is another planet is doing the same things as ours, give or take a million years, like you might give or take a nanosecond of difference between two people blinking.



Your metaphor doesn't work out though . Blinking is a frequent common occurrence. Having planetary conditions able to support life is not. And also note, I never claimed any thing about it being impossible, I simply said it's more unlikely than the argument originally appears.
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-02 19:49:26
July 02 2009 19:49 GMT
#110
There's a fundamental difference between thinking we are entirely alone in the universe and thinking that we are being visited.

If you think we are alone in the ENTIRE universe, talking trillions of Galaxies each with billions of stars, you are probably retarded. Don't think you can find any sane scientific person claiming we are alone.

Now, if you are educated, you understand the vastness of space.. and that the chances of us being visited are very slim.

Not believing in aliens = retarded. Whether or not you believe in visiting aliens I'll leave up for debate, but most educated would say hell no.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
July 02 2009 19:50 GMT
#111
On July 01 2009 08:34 eMbrace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2009 08:32 Grommit wrote:
http://www.space.com/news/050531_alienlife_survey.html

Yay google!


According to that small survery, only 60% believe




85% of Americans believe in a sky wizard who is omnipotent and created all things (yet he's a dude with a dick), is compassionate and loving (yet sends people to hell for eternity), and is intimately concerned about every doing of every person on earth. I mean, they believe in a god.

But ALIENS? What nonsense!

Probe.
Profile Joined May 2009
United States877 Posts
July 02 2009 20:00 GMT
#112
On July 03 2009 04:50 Louder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2009 08:34 eMbrace wrote:
On July 01 2009 08:32 Grommit wrote:
http://www.space.com/news/050531_alienlife_survey.html

Yay google!


According to that small survery, only 60% believe




85% of Americans believe in a sky wizard who is omnipotent and created all things (yet he's a dude with a dick), is compassionate and loving (yet sends people to hell for eternity), and is intimately concerned about every doing of every person on earth. I mean, they believe in a god.

But ALIENS? What nonsense!



Yes but God doesn't try and anal probe me. Wait a second...... but priests do...... i wonder....
meow
irishash
Profile Joined November 2008
United States285 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-02 20:08:15
July 02 2009 20:03 GMT
#113
On July 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote:
obvious? what? I don't see anything wtf.


Just because there is a blurr on an image doesn't mean there is alien life there. It could be a number of reasons.
1) error
2) gov't is building shit up there (that is uknown to the public)
3) military security (also related to 2 maybe)
4) stuff that just looks questionable and they don't wanna cause a stir before they actually get a chance to check it out themselves.

etc etc , there are literaly hundreds of things it could be, and outright assuming that it is alien is completely closed minded. You have to look at all the possibilities and evidence for all of them.


if you look at a photo of that same area from a more recent mission there's nothing there at all, it's been completely edited out. back when that one photo was released (1994) computer photo editing wasn't good like today. you can obviously see there's something behind the smudge in that pic, whether it's alien or not i didn't say, i just said there's something there.

edit: another pic for fun http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-362/hrp76.jpg
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
July 02 2009 20:14 GMT
#114
I'm more interested in ghosts. That's what happens after death. Whether it's some kind of lingering psychic energy that exists in you or just your memories. Whether your memories themselves can count as being ghosts. Are the existence of ghosts real just for you?
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
July 02 2009 20:21 GMT
#115
On July 03 2009 04:35 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2009 06:28 Chef wrote:
On July 02 2009 06:15 KissBlade wrote:the lifespan of this world is just a blink in the scale of the life span of the universe. As a result, not only do we have to factor in mind that Earth offers a variety of flukes that allow the planet to support lifeforms but also the time frame of our existence is very minute making the chances of there being another alien life form existing at the same time a lot smaller than most people think.

I think that's a really weak argument. Just because the time span is relatively short, doesn't give any reason to believe that among the trillions and trillions and trillions of other planets there isn't one experiencing the same phenomenon as ours. When people are calculating the likelihood a planet can support life, calculating distance from the sun, atmosphere, size, etc... All those obviously include time. No one is talking about planets that were or will be capable of sustaining life, we're talking about right now at this moment. To me, saying it's unlikely a planet is experiencing the same conditions as the earth right now isn't any more foolish than saying it's unlikely out of 7 billion people that 2 of them will blink at the exact same time, every second of every day. Now imagine that with a number of people you can't even imagine and that's how likely it is another planet is doing the same things as ours, give or take a million years, like you might give or take a nanosecond of difference between two people blinking.



Your metaphor doesn't work out though . Blinking is a frequent common occurrence. Having planetary conditions able to support life is not. And also note, I never claimed any thing about it being impossible, I simply said it's more unlikely than the argument originally appears.

I wasn't trying to use it as a metaphor, I was trying to exemplify my line of reasoning to make it easier to understand. Yes, not every planet "blinks" so to speak, but I'll bet every galaxy does.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
July 02 2009 20:39 GMT
#116
On July 03 2009 05:03 irishash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote:
obvious? what? I don't see anything wtf.


Just because there is a blurr on an image doesn't mean there is alien life there. It could be a number of reasons.
1) error
2) gov't is building shit up there (that is uknown to the public)
3) military security (also related to 2 maybe)
4) stuff that just looks questionable and they don't wanna cause a stir before they actually get a chance to check it out themselves.

etc etc , there are literaly hundreds of things it could be, and outright assuming that it is alien is completely closed minded. You have to look at all the possibilities and evidence for all of them.


if you look at a photo of that same area from a more recent mission there's nothing there at all, it's been completely edited out. back when that one photo was released (1994) computer photo editing wasn't good like today. you can obviously see there's something behind the smudge in that pic, whether it's alien or not i didn't say, i just said there's something there.

edit: another pic for fun http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-362/hrp76.jpg


So you imply that nasa released a foto possibly containing evidence of alien life forms but being government and all they ''edited'' to prevent its citizens from revolting in terror from martians instead of simply not publishing it at all? Makes perfect sense to me, I mean government is retarded, after all it is representive of people,
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
July 02 2009 21:13 GMT
#117
@ the guy saying "omg we should appreciate the earth it is so rare to find a planet that can sustain life omg history channel omg"

no freaking way dude? Imagine that, we evolved perfectly to a situation??? HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT? Life beyond earth doesn't have to follow any of the rules that we do, we don't have to find planets identical to earth to find life. You can prove this on the earth its self, there are freaking bacteria that live in the underground volcanos in the ocean.
You're pretty when I'm drunk.
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
July 02 2009 21:20 GMT
#118
I agree with op
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irishash
Profile Joined November 2008
United States285 Posts
July 02 2009 21:22 GMT
#119
On July 03 2009 05:39 Jakalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2009 05:03 irishash wrote:
On July 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote:
obvious? what? I don't see anything wtf.


Just because there is a blurr on an image doesn't mean there is alien life there. It could be a number of reasons.
1) error
2) gov't is building shit up there (that is uknown to the public)
3) military security (also related to 2 maybe)
4) stuff that just looks questionable and they don't wanna cause a stir before they actually get a chance to check it out themselves.

etc etc , there are literaly hundreds of things it could be, and outright assuming that it is alien is completely closed minded. You have to look at all the possibilities and evidence for all of them.


if you look at a photo of that same area from a more recent mission there's nothing there at all, it's been completely edited out. back when that one photo was released (1994) computer photo editing wasn't good like today. you can obviously see there's something behind the smudge in that pic, whether it's alien or not i didn't say, i just said there's something there.

edit: another pic for fun http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-362/hrp76.jpg


So you imply that nasa released a foto possibly containing evidence of alien life forms but being government and all they ''edited'' to prevent its citizens from revolting in terror from martians instead of simply not publishing it at all? Makes perfect sense to me, I mean government is retarded, after all it is representive of people,


thanks for the reply. if you're calling me retarded, explain then how you feel as you seem to be the one falling victim to the scams the government is pulling off right in front of your eyes. a lot of people think the government is all for the people, but the people who really run the US are really just in it for themselves. whether or not you believe aliens exist or the fact nasa edited the photos to cover something up is up to you. also, if you even bothered to read my post, you'd see it pointed out that i never said anything was alien, i just said it was there. i left it up to you guys to decide what you think it is. i'm not gonna try to make anyone believe anything, and i'm certainly not going to insult anyone on whether or not they believe in something or not.
xylidine
Profile Joined June 2009
United States42 Posts
July 02 2009 21:28 GMT
#120
On July 01 2009 08:23 eMbrace wrote:
People believe in all sorts of unbelievable things: conspiracy theories, ghosts, gods (no offense), etc...

So why is it that it seems many people refuse to believe in extra terrestrial life? They have no problem defending other things that probably don't exist, but they can't accept something extremely plausible? I bet if you took a poll in the United States, more people would be believe in ghosts than aliens -- or it would be pathetically close.

Earth is like 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, and you can't even entertain the possibility for a second, that some sort of life exists somewhere else?

That doesn't mean it's intelligent, or has spaceships, or lasers -- it could simply be some bacteria or microbes.

No, I'll stop -- It's a ridiculous idea after all

(and no this has nothing to do with the stupidity that is UFOs)



Have you ever heard of the Fermi Paradox? It addresses all the possibilities.

One of the most common clauses, proposed and believed by Fermi was that if the universe has been here for ~15 billion years, and assuming we were not the first organisms to have evolved this far along, then there should have been some organism that was created and evolved into higher beings since the very beginning of the universe. Given that, those organisms should have had at least 10 billion years to explore the universe. So, where are they?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
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