On July 03 2009 08:30 jello_biafra wrote: Potentially hundreds of thousands of light years? Really? You know how damn long that's gonna take BELOW light speed?
Also I was just thinking, it was a crazy sequence of highly improbable events that lead to OUR existence, but it's highly possible that given, enough time and the right conditions, some other form of highly intelligent life form would have evolved regardless, and this could be the case on most planets that harbour life, that intelligent life is inevitable on habitable planets.
And with stuff like detecting alien radio signals, realistically with the distances involved and the noise from the CBR the only way we'd be able to pick up one of these signals would be if it was specifically sent towards our planet by the aliens.
wow, thanks lots of theories upon theories countering other theories etc Especially this simple one is interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Filter Perhaps something that hasn't yet happened to our supposed likely doomed civilization is keeping us (and many other planets) from step 8.
On July 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: obvious? what? I don't see anything wtf.
Just because there is a blurr on an image doesn't mean there is alien life there. It could be a number of reasons. 1) error 2) gov't is building shit up there (that is uknown to the public) 3) military security (also related to 2 maybe) 4) stuff that just looks questionable and they don't wanna cause a stir before they actually get a chance to check it out themselves.
etc etc , there are literaly hundreds of things it could be, and outright assuming that it is alien is completely closed minded. You have to look at all the possibilities and evidence for all of them.
if you look at a photo of that same area from a more recent mission there's nothing there at all, it's been completely edited out. back when that one photo was released (1994) computer photo editing wasn't good like today. you can obviously see there's something behind the smudge in that pic, whether it's alien or not i didn't say, i just said there's something there.
So you imply that nasa released a foto possibly containing evidence of alien life forms but being government and all they ''edited'' to prevent its citizens from revolting in terror from martians instead of simply not publishing it at all? Makes perfect sense to me, I mean government is retarded, after all it is representive of people,
thanks for the reply. if you're calling me retarded, explain then how you feel as you seem to be the one falling victim to the scams the government is pulling off right in front of your eyes. a lot of people think the government is all for the people, but the people who really run the US are really just in it for themselves. whether or not you believe aliens exist or the fact nasa edited the photos to cover something up is up to you. also, if you even bothered to read my post, you'd see it pointed out that i never said anything was alien, i just said it was there. i left it up to you guys to decide what you think it is. i'm not gonna try to make anyone believe anything, and i'm certainly not going to insult anyone on whether or not they believe in something or not.
so just like he and I suggested, It could be many things and if NASA was part of the shadow gov't or some kind of conspiracy then why the fuck even release the edited photo in the first place? Hell, even the astronauts taking the pictures would have to be in on it so why would they give up the photos to anyone who is not supposed to see them. It just doesn't make sense.
btw, I don't think either of us think the 'gov't is all for the people' or 'falling victim to gov't scams' (except maybe the racquet they pull with parking tickets).
if they didn't release the photos, the public would wonder wtf they were doing with the millions of dollars put into the orbiter launch. astronauts don't take the pics, an orbiting satellite does. don't worry, most people share your opinion and are against the idea because that's what the people who run this country try to put in your head. you don't think they all work together?
i suggest you watch or listen to this if you have the time, and are willing to see a completely new perspective. i've followed the conspiracy scene for a long time so some of my opinions are pretty bold, but like i said before i respect your opinions, and i'm far from the right person to try to convince someone to think the way i do, so take it as you will.
There may have been intelligent civilizations in the galaxy before the emergence of intelligence on Earth, and there may be intelligent civilizations after its extinction, but it is possible that human beings are the only intelligent civilization in existence now. The term "now" is somewhat complicated by the finite speed of light and the nature of spacetime under relativity. Assuming that an extraterrestrial intelligence is not able to travel to our vicinity at faster-than-light speeds, in order to detect an intelligence 1,000 light-years distant, that intelligence will need to have been active 1,000 years ago. Strictly speaking, only the portions of the universe lying within the past light cone of Earth need be considered, since any civilizations outside it could not be detected.
also from wiki, our NOW is relative to the speed of light since what we see/hear (based on current laws of physics) passed a certain distance is from the past. So even if there is at this exact moment some other intelligent life doing the exact same thing, we can't ever talk or see them because by the time we do it would be millions or billions of years later.
On July 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: obvious? what? I don't see anything wtf.
Just because there is a blurr on an image doesn't mean there is alien life there. It could be a number of reasons. 1) error 2) gov't is building shit up there (that is uknown to the public) 3) military security (also related to 2 maybe) 4) stuff that just looks questionable and they don't wanna cause a stir before they actually get a chance to check it out themselves.
etc etc , there are literaly hundreds of things it could be, and outright assuming that it is alien is completely closed minded. You have to look at all the possibilities and evidence for all of them.
if you look at a photo of that same area from a more recent mission there's nothing there at all, it's been completely edited out. back when that one photo was released (1994) computer photo editing wasn't good like today. you can obviously see there's something behind the smudge in that pic, whether it's alien or not i didn't say, i just said there's something there.
So you imply that nasa released a foto possibly containing evidence of alien life forms but being government and all they ''edited'' to prevent its citizens from revolting in terror from martians instead of simply not publishing it at all? Makes perfect sense to me, I mean government is retarded, after all it is representive of people,
thanks for the reply. if you're calling me retarded, explain then how you feel as you seem to be the one falling victim to the scams the government is pulling off right in front of your eyes. a lot of people think the government is all for the people, but the people who really run the US are really just in it for themselves. whether or not you believe aliens exist or the fact nasa edited the photos to cover something up is up to you. also, if you even bothered to read my post, you'd see it pointed out that i never said anything was alien, i just said it was there. i left it up to you guys to decide what you think it is. i'm not gonna try to make anyone believe anything, and i'm certainly not going to insult anyone on whether or not they believe in something or not.
so just like he and I suggested, It could be many things and if NASA was part of the shadow gov't or some kind of conspiracy then why the fuck even release the edited photo in the first place? Hell, even the astronauts taking the pictures would have to be in on it so why would they give up the photos to anyone who is not supposed to see them. It just doesn't make sense.
btw, I don't think either of us think the 'gov't is all for the people' or 'falling victim to gov't scams' (except maybe the racquet they pull with parking tickets).
if they didn't release the photos, the public would wonder wtf they were doing with the millions of dollars put into the orbiter launch. astronauts don't take the pics, an orbiting satellite does. don't worry, most people share your opinion and are against the idea because that's what the people who run this country try to put in your head. you don't think they all work together?
i suggest you watch or listen to this if you have the time, and are willing to see a completely new perspective. i've followed the conspiracy scene for a long time so some of my opinions are pretty bold, but like i said before i respect your opinions, and i'm far from the right person to try to convince someone to think the way i do, so take it as you will.
man you are fucking dense, saying that "THEY" 'put it in my head' wtf, fuck you man. No one is leading me to believe this shit. I am forming my own conclusions based on facts. And the fact is our gov't especially one which you suggest is trying to cover up things so cunningly would not be so stupid enough to slip up all this shit in the first place.
an no I won't watch "your" propaganda that they are trying to put in "your" head. IF you read that fermi paradox article there are so many theories in there that possible contact with life is HUGE HUGE HUGE Fucking odds. And just to note, these theories are not propagated by the gov't, they are created from science fiction and science fact.
Just look at the last thing I just posted about the Light Cone. Even with light speed travel its WAY too fucking big.
On July 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: obvious? what? I don't see anything wtf.
Just because there is a blurr on an image doesn't mean there is alien life there. It could be a number of reasons. 1) error 2) gov't is building shit up there (that is uknown to the public) 3) military security (also related to 2 maybe) 4) stuff that just looks questionable and they don't wanna cause a stir before they actually get a chance to check it out themselves.
etc etc , there are literaly hundreds of things it could be, and outright assuming that it is alien is completely closed minded. You have to look at all the possibilities and evidence for all of them.
if you look at a photo of that same area from a more recent mission there's nothing there at all, it's been completely edited out. back when that one photo was released (1994) computer photo editing wasn't good like today. you can obviously see there's something behind the smudge in that pic, whether it's alien or not i didn't say, i just said there's something there.
So you imply that nasa released a foto possibly containing evidence of alien life forms but being government and all they ''edited'' to prevent its citizens from revolting in terror from martians instead of simply not publishing it at all? Makes perfect sense to me, I mean government is retarded, after all it is representive of people,
thanks for the reply. if you're calling me retarded, explain then how you feel as you seem to be the one falling victim to the scams the government is pulling off right in front of your eyes. a lot of people think the government is all for the people, but the people who really run the US are really just in it for themselves. whether or not you believe aliens exist or the fact nasa edited the photos to cover something up is up to you. also, if you even bothered to read my post, you'd see it pointed out that i never said anything was alien, i just said it was there. i left it up to you guys to decide what you think it is. i'm not gonna try to make anyone believe anything, and i'm certainly not going to insult anyone on whether or not they believe in something or not.
so just like he and I suggested, It could be many things and if NASA was part of the shadow gov't or some kind of conspiracy then why the fuck even release the edited photo in the first place? Hell, even the astronauts taking the pictures would have to be in on it so why would they give up the photos to anyone who is not supposed to see them. It just doesn't make sense.
btw, I don't think either of us think the 'gov't is all for the people' or 'falling victim to gov't scams' (except maybe the racquet they pull with parking tickets).
if they didn't release the photos, the public would wonder wtf they were doing with the millions of dollars put into the orbiter launch. astronauts don't take the pics, an orbiting satellite does. don't worry, most people share your opinion and are against the idea because that's what the people who run this country try to put in your head. you don't think they all work together?
i suggest you watch or listen to this if you have the time, and are willing to see a completely new perspective. i've followed the conspiracy scene for a long time so some of my opinions are pretty bold, but like i said before i respect your opinions, and i'm far from the right person to try to convince someone to think the way i do, so take it as you will.
man you are fucking dense, saying that "THEY" 'put it in my head' wtf, fuck you man. No one is leading me to believe this shit. I am forming my own conclusions based on facts. And the fact is our gov't especially one which you suggest is trying to cover up things so cunningly would not be so stupid enough to slip up all this shit in the first place.
an no I won't watch "your" propaganda that they are trying to put in "your" head. IF you read that fermi paradox article there are so many theories in there that possible contact with life is HUGE HUGE HUGE Fucking odds. And just to note, these theories are not propagated by the gov't, they are created from science fiction and science fact.
rofl nice way to handle yourself. your girlfriend must be happy.
On July 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: obvious? what? I don't see anything wtf.
Just because there is a blurr on an image doesn't mean there is alien life there. It could be a number of reasons. 1) error 2) gov't is building shit up there (that is uknown to the public) 3) military security (also related to 2 maybe) 4) stuff that just looks questionable and they don't wanna cause a stir before they actually get a chance to check it out themselves.
etc etc , there are literaly hundreds of things it could be, and outright assuming that it is alien is completely closed minded. You have to look at all the possibilities and evidence for all of them.
if you look at a photo of that same area from a more recent mission there's nothing there at all, it's been completely edited out. back when that one photo was released (1994) computer photo editing wasn't good like today. you can obviously see there's something behind the smudge in that pic, whether it's alien or not i didn't say, i just said there's something there.
So you imply that nasa released a foto possibly containing evidence of alien life forms but being government and all they ''edited'' to prevent its citizens from revolting in terror from martians instead of simply not publishing it at all? Makes perfect sense to me, I mean government is retarded, after all it is representive of people,
thanks for the reply. if you're calling me retarded, explain then how you feel as you seem to be the one falling victim to the scams the government is pulling off right in front of your eyes. a lot of people think the government is all for the people, but the people who really run the US are really just in it for themselves. whether or not you believe aliens exist or the fact nasa edited the photos to cover something up is up to you. also, if you even bothered to read my post, you'd see it pointed out that i never said anything was alien, i just said it was there. i left it up to you guys to decide what you think it is. i'm not gonna try to make anyone believe anything, and i'm certainly not going to insult anyone on whether or not they believe in something or not.
so just like he and I suggested, It could be many things and if NASA was part of the shadow gov't or some kind of conspiracy then why the fuck even release the edited photo in the first place? Hell, even the astronauts taking the pictures would have to be in on it so why would they give up the photos to anyone who is not supposed to see them. It just doesn't make sense.
btw, I don't think either of us think the 'gov't is all for the people' or 'falling victim to gov't scams' (except maybe the racquet they pull with parking tickets).
if they didn't release the photos, the public would wonder wtf they were doing with the millions of dollars put into the orbiter launch. astronauts don't take the pics, an orbiting satellite does. don't worry, most people share your opinion and are against the idea because that's what the people who run this country try to put in your head. you don't think they all work together?
i suggest you watch or listen to this if you have the time, and are willing to see a completely new perspective. i've followed the conspiracy scene for a long time so some of my opinions are pretty bold, but like i said before i respect your opinions, and i'm far from the right person to try to convince someone to think the way i do, so take it as you will.
man you are fucking dense, saying that "THEY" 'put it in my head' wtf, fuck you man. No one is leading me to believe this shit. I am forming my own conclusions based on facts. And the fact is our gov't especially one which you suggest is trying to cover up things so cunningly would not be so stupid enough to slip up all this shit in the first place.
an no I won't watch "your" propaganda that they are trying to put in "your" head. IF you read that fermi paradox article there are so many theories in there that possible contact with life is HUGE HUGE HUGE Fucking odds. And just to note, these theories are not propagated by the gov't, they are created from science fiction and science fact.
rofl nice way to handle yourself. your girlfriend must be happy.
whatever that means. you know they can take a bunch of pretty pictures for the public and keep the real secret stuff to themselves right? You know they could just as easily say a fire burned up all the negatives. There are hunderds of things they can do besides doing a shoddy job of editing some photos. Its extremely ludicrous to just make a huge leap of faith that oh they purposefully did it to cover aliens. Be open minded, isn't that what true scientist /conspiracist should be in the first place? You are a hypocritical contradiction.
PS- Don't get me wrong, I am very willing to believe anything if I see some obvious empircal proof of evidence. But this is just some little tidbit that could literally be anything. Btw, Did you actually do the reasearch on the topics - talking to gov't officials and visiting gov't archives? Or did you just watch some biased video then read about it on the edited wiki article or some nutjob tinfoil hat wearing hero's website? Don't you think the gov't could have their hands in that too?
The only thing you can truly trust, and can truly believe in, is yourself.
On July 03 2009 07:55 jello_biafra wrote: Hmm I think most people believe that aliens exist, but that they have never visited earth. This is the most likely case and what I believe.
I mean statistically with the sheer number of planets in the universe it's almost impossible that aliens don't exist somewhere, but due to the immense size it's almost impossible that the necessary distances could feasibly be travelled.
Our laws of physics forbid FTL travel, but currently, there's nothing supporting the belief that we can't cover such distances with conventional propulsion. Maybe not with manned vessels, but unmanned probes is very possible based on our current knowledge of science/engineering limitations.
Edit: I suggest everyone read that Wikipedia article on the Fermi paradox. It shows that people have put ALOT of thought into justifying various 'beliefs'.
Cool. I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing. I'm wondering how physically sound this type of travel is since I haven't been keeping up with modern physics. Are dark matter/dark energy generally accepted concepts nowadays?
On a side note, it saddens me that I won't be alive long enough to see this happen. Call me a nerd, but if there's one thing I want to happen before I die (aside from reproducing), it's making contact with an alien species =D
On July 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: obvious? what? I don't see anything wtf.
Just because there is a blurr on an image doesn't mean there is alien life there. It could be a number of reasons. 1) error 2) gov't is building shit up there (that is uknown to the public) 3) military security (also related to 2 maybe) 4) stuff that just looks questionable and they don't wanna cause a stir before they actually get a chance to check it out themselves.
etc etc , there are literaly hundreds of things it could be, and outright assuming that it is alien is completely closed minded. You have to look at all the possibilities and evidence for all of them.
if you look at a photo of that same area from a more recent mission there's nothing there at all, it's been completely edited out. back when that one photo was released (1994) computer photo editing wasn't good like today. you can obviously see there's something behind the smudge in that pic, whether it's alien or not i didn't say, i just said there's something there.
So you imply that nasa released a foto possibly containing evidence of alien life forms but being government and all they ''edited'' to prevent its citizens from revolting in terror from martians instead of simply not publishing it at all? Makes perfect sense to me, I mean government is retarded, after all it is representive of people,
thanks for the reply. if you're calling me retarded, explain then how you feel as you seem to be the one falling victim to the scams the government is pulling off right in front of your eyes. a lot of people think the government is all for the people, but the people who really run the US are really just in it for themselves. whether or not you believe aliens exist or the fact nasa edited the photos to cover something up is up to you. also, if you even bothered to read my post, you'd see it pointed out that i never said anything was alien, i just said it was there. i left it up to you guys to decide what you think it is. i'm not gonna try to make anyone believe anything, and i'm certainly not going to insult anyone on whether or not they believe in something or not.
so just like he and I suggested, It could be many things and if NASA was part of the shadow gov't or some kind of conspiracy then why the fuck even release the edited photo in the first place? Hell, even the astronauts taking the pictures would have to be in on it so why would they give up the photos to anyone who is not supposed to see them. It just doesn't make sense.
btw, I don't think either of us think the 'gov't is all for the people' or 'falling victim to gov't scams' (except maybe the racquet they pull with parking tickets).
if they didn't release the photos, the public would wonder wtf they were doing with the millions of dollars put into the orbiter launch. astronauts don't take the pics, an orbiting satellite does. don't worry, most people share your opinion and are against the idea because that's what the people who run this country try to put in your head. you don't think they all work together?
i suggest you watch or listen to this if you have the time, and are willing to see a completely new perspective. i've followed the conspiracy scene for a long time so some of my opinions are pretty bold, but like i said before i respect your opinions, and i'm far from the right person to try to convince someone to think the way i do, so take it as you will.
man you are fucking dense, saying that "THEY" 'put it in my head' wtf, fuck you man. No one is leading me to believe this shit. I am forming my own conclusions based on facts. And the fact is our gov't especially one which you suggest is trying to cover up things so cunningly would not be so stupid enough to slip up all this shit in the first place.
an no I won't watch "your" propaganda that they are trying to put in "your" head. IF you read that fermi paradox article there are so many theories in there that possible contact with life is HUGE HUGE HUGE Fucking odds. And just to note, these theories are not propagated by the gov't, they are created from science fiction and science fact.
rofl nice way to handle yourself. your girlfriend must be happy.
whatever that means. you know they can take a bunch of pretty pictures for the public and keep the real secret stuff to themselves right? You know they could just as easily say a fire burned up all the negatives. There are hunderds of things they can do besides doing a shoddy job of editing some photos. Its extremely ludicrous to just make a huge leap of faith that oh they purposefully did it to cover aliens. Be open minded, isn't that what true scientist /conspiracist should be in the first place? You are a hypocritical contradiction.
c'mon man.. you seriously can't say that i'm the one who is not open minded from our past conversation. all i did was give you the info and say have a look, and you're taking it way too far to heart getting upset about it. i even told you more than once i'm not trying to convince you, yet you make it out like i'm getting at you like a bad car salesman. all i did was give you the tools to see a new perspective on how this world works.
On July 01 2009 08:28 Grommit wrote: What makes you think that "so many people" refuse to believe in aliens? Are there even any legitimate studies about that kind of thing?
On July 03 2009 09:52 CharlieMurphy wrote: you called me a puppet basically, how can I not get upset? Especially when I think the coin is flipped and you are the ignorant puppet.
it's just that everyone is lied to. the people you hear on tv on the news are lied to. the people that tell those people their information are lied to. it all seems like it's the truth when it's coming from someone who also believes it's the truth. the general public trusts the media with the information they get, regardless of the topic. i'm not saying everything is bullshit, but there ARE things that are completely. anyway, it's not worth it to argue over it so my apologies if i worded something wrong and you misunderstood me.
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