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+ Show Spoiler +The planet Mars conjures images of red rocks and arid, dusty plains, but as NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander showed last year, it snows on Mars.
The stationary robot observed ice crystals falling to the Martian surface near the end of its five-month mission in the arctic Vastitas Borealis plains last year. Scientists provided further details on this finding and others in a set of four papers in Friday's issue of the journal Science. The research could help shed light on the past and present action of water on the Martian surface and characterize the potential habitability of the Red Planet.
Phoenix landed on the Red Planet on May 25, 2008, with a mission to dig up and analyze samples of Martian dirt, confirm the existence of a subsurface layer of water ice and observe the weather at its far northern locale. Story continues below ↓advertisement | your ad here
Cirrus clouds... Spacecraft orbiting Mars had previously detected clouds high up in the Martian atmosphere and low-level ice fog, "but they've never seen precipitation," said James Whiteway of York University in Canada, the lead scientist for Phoenix's meteorological instruments.
From its vantage point on the Martian surface, Phoenix used its LIDAR (light detection and ranging) instrument, supplied by the Canadian Space Agency, to emit laser pulses upward into the atmosphere. The instrument detected clouds and precipitation above Phoenix's landing site.
The clouds were low-level, wispy clouds made up of ice crystals, similar to the cirrus clouds that form over Earth's polar regions in the winter. Whiteway also likened them to the thin clouds jet planes fly through high in the Earth's atmosphere.
"The thin, wispy clouds up there have a similar water content," he told Space.com.
The clouds didn't begin forming until around the mission's 80th or 90th Martian day (or sol), when air temperatures were cool enough for water vapor in the atmosphere to condense out, Whiteway explained.
As the mission wore on, the clouds became thicker, lower to the ground and persisted for longer.
...And snow The snow didn't come until close to the end of the mission. It too is similar to the snow that falls to the ground at Earth's poles, sometimes called "diamond dust." Whiteway describes it as "ice crystals sparkling in the air."
The snow wasn't enough to build a snowmartian with, however, amounting to only a couple micrometers (there are 1,000 micrometers in a millimeter) a day if it was melted on the surface, Whiteway said.
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The observations show that "precipitation is a component of the hydrologic cycle" on Mars, which was not suspected before the Phoenix mission, Whiteway said.
How the finding might impact our understanding of the global Mars water cycle — both now and in the distant past, when the planet is suspected to have been warmer and wetter — is not yet known.
The new information can be used to modify Martian climate models, which currently don't feature these newly discovered clouds and precipitation, "and then we'll see what the implications are," Whiteway said.
Martian clouds found
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I will keep an open mind that aliens MAY exist, but without solid evidence, to believe something like this would be merely superstitions.
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On July 03 2009 11:28 illu wrote: I will keep an open mind that aliens MAY exist, but without solid evidence, to believe something like this would be merely superstitions. dude their has to be some type of bacteria living somewhere..
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On July 03 2009 11:37 Clasic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2009 11:28 illu wrote: I will keep an open mind that aliens MAY exist, but without solid evidence, to believe something like this would be merely superstitions. dude their has to be some type of bacteria living somewhere..
I do believe in other lifeforms than humans, but for others that don't and demand evidence to support such a claim is logical and completly understandable. What would you say if I'd say that God exists, and God lives in a treecabin in the center of the sun. Of course you'd say that that statment is utterly ludicrous and ask me return for evidence for backing up my statment.
The bottom line is that forcing your believes on others is pretty bad and especially if you can't back you believes up with hard evidence.
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On July 03 2009 06:22 irishash wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2009 05:39 Jakalo wrote:On July 03 2009 05:03 irishash wrote:On July 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: obvious? what? I don't see anything wtf.
Just because there is a blurr on an image doesn't mean there is alien life there. It could be a number of reasons. 1) error 2) gov't is building shit up there (that is uknown to the public) 3) military security (also related to 2 maybe) 4) stuff that just looks questionable and they don't wanna cause a stir before they actually get a chance to check it out themselves.
etc etc , there are literaly hundreds of things it could be, and outright assuming that it is alien is completely closed minded. You have to look at all the possibilities and evidence for all of them. if you look at a photo of that same area from a more recent mission there's nothing there at all, it's been completely edited out. back when that one photo was released (1994) computer photo editing wasn't good like today. you can obviously see there's something behind the smudge in that pic, whether it's alien or not i didn't say, i just said there's something there. edit: another pic for fun http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-362/hrp76.jpg So you imply that nasa released a foto possibly containing evidence of alien life forms but being government and all they ''edited'' to prevent its citizens from revolting in terror from martians instead of simply not publishing it at all? Makes perfect sense to me, I mean government is retarded, after all it is representive of people, thanks for the reply. if you're calling me retarded, explain then how you feel as you seem to be the one falling victim to the scams the government is pulling off right in front of your eyes. a lot of people think the government is all for the people, but the people who really run the US are really just in it for themselves. whether or not you believe aliens exist or the fact nasa edited the photos to cover something up is up to you. also, if you even bothered to read my post, you'd see it pointed out that i never said anything was alien, i just said it was there. i left it up to you guys to decide what you think it is. i'm not gonna try to make anyone believe anything, and i'm certainly not going to insult anyone on whether or not they believe in something or not.
I didnt mean to insult you, man up.
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I believe alien life forms exist. Not intelligent life forms, but definitely bacteria and very simple life forms (single cell/microscopic etc). Some religions (christian for example) would easily except the fact that their is indeed life in other parts of the universe. They do NOT however believe that their could exist intelligent alien life in the universe.
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Just wanna state that I've been wondering exactly the same question as the OP did.
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On July 03 2009 14:36 vik170 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2009 11:37 Clasic wrote:On July 03 2009 11:28 illu wrote: I will keep an open mind that aliens MAY exist, but without solid evidence, to believe something like this would be merely superstitions. dude their has to be some type of bacteria living somewhere.. I do believe in other lifeforms than humans, but for others that don't and demand evidence to support such a claim is logical and completly understandable. What would you say if I'd say that God exists, and God lives in a treecabin in the center of the sun. Of course you'd say that that statment is utterly ludicrous and ask me return for evidence for backing up my statment. The bottom line is that forcing your believes on others is pretty bad and especially if you can't back you believes up with hard evidence.
I would say that I don't believe it but I can't prove otherwise either.
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You smoked pot. You read Sagan. Right?
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Funniest shit I read in awhile was at the back of Sweden's largest newspaper (Aftonbladet). They ask a question to a couple of random people and post the answers. So, this one day the question was: "Do you believe in aliens?"
The best (meaning the worst) answer was provided by an old lady (about 60 years old):
"No, I don't believe in supernatural things."
I laughed my ass off.
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On July 04 2009 02:38 ParasitJonte wrote: Funniest shit I read in awhile was at the back of Sweden's largest newspaper (Aftonbladet). They ask a question to a couple of random people and post the answers. So, this one day the question was: "Do you believe in aliens?"
The best (meaning the worst) answer was provided by an old lady (about 60 years old):
"No, I don't believe in supernatural things."
I laughed my ass off.
? su⋅per⋅nat⋅u⋅ral /ˌsupərˈnætʃərəl, -ˈnætʃrəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [soo-per-nach-er-uhl, -nach-ruhl] Show IPA Use supernatural in a Sentence –adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal.
Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
did you mean paranormal? that would make more sense, but you could still call aliens paranormal i guess too.
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On July 03 2009 09:42 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2009 09:39 irishash wrote:On July 03 2009 09:31 CharlieMurphy wrote:On July 03 2009 09:10 irishash wrote:On July 03 2009 08:17 CharlieMurphy wrote:On July 03 2009 06:22 irishash wrote:On July 03 2009 05:39 Jakalo wrote:On July 03 2009 05:03 irishash wrote:On July 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: obvious? what? I don't see anything wtf.
Just because there is a blurr on an image doesn't mean there is alien life there. It could be a number of reasons. 1) error 2) gov't is building shit up there (that is uknown to the public) 3) military security (also related to 2 maybe) 4) stuff that just looks questionable and they don't wanna cause a stir before they actually get a chance to check it out themselves.
etc etc , there are literaly hundreds of things it could be, and outright assuming that it is alien is completely closed minded. You have to look at all the possibilities and evidence for all of them. if you look at a photo of that same area from a more recent mission there's nothing there at all, it's been completely edited out. back when that one photo was released (1994) computer photo editing wasn't good like today. you can obviously see there's something behind the smudge in that pic, whether it's alien or not i didn't say, i just said there's something there. edit: another pic for fun http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-362/hrp76.jpg So you imply that nasa released a foto possibly containing evidence of alien life forms but being government and all they ''edited'' to prevent its citizens from revolting in terror from martians instead of simply not publishing it at all? Makes perfect sense to me, I mean government is retarded, after all it is representive of people, thanks for the reply. if you're calling me retarded, explain then how you feel as you seem to be the one falling victim to the scams the government is pulling off right in front of your eyes. a lot of people think the government is all for the people, but the people who really run the US are really just in it for themselves. whether or not you believe aliens exist or the fact nasa edited the photos to cover something up is up to you. also, if you even bothered to read my post, you'd see it pointed out that i never said anything was alien, i just said it was there. i left it up to you guys to decide what you think it is. i'm not gonna try to make anyone believe anything, and i'm certainly not going to insult anyone on whether or not they believe in something or not. so just like he and I suggested, It could be many things and if NASA was part of the shadow gov't or some kind of conspiracy then why the fuck even release the edited photo in the first place? Hell, even the astronauts taking the pictures would have to be in on it so why would they give up the photos to anyone who is not supposed to see them. It just doesn't make sense. btw, I don't think either of us think the 'gov't is all for the people' or 'falling victim to gov't scams' (except maybe the racquet they pull with parking tickets). if they didn't release the photos, the public would wonder wtf they were doing with the millions of dollars put into the orbiter launch. astronauts don't take the pics, an orbiting satellite does. don't worry, most people share your opinion and are against the idea because that's what the people who run this country try to put in your head. you don't think they all work together? i suggest you watch or listen to this if you have the time, and are willing to see a completely new perspective. i've followed the conspiracy scene for a long time so some of my opinions are pretty bold, but like i said before i respect your opinions, and i'm far from the right person to try to convince someone to think the way i do, so take it as you will. man you are fucking dense, saying that "THEY" 'put it in my head' wtf, fuck you man. No one is leading me to believe this shit. I am forming my own conclusions based on facts. And the fact is our gov't especially one which you suggest is trying to cover up things so cunningly would not be so stupid enough to slip up all this shit in the first place. an no I won't watch "your" propaganda that they are trying to put in "your" head. IF you read that fermi paradox article there are so many theories in there that possible contact with life is HUGE HUGE HUGE Fucking odds. And just to note, these theories are not propagated by the gov't, they are created from science fiction and science fact. rofl nice way to handle yourself. your girlfriend must be happy. whatever that means. you know they can take a bunch of pretty pictures for the public and keep the real secret stuff to themselves right? You know they could just as easily say a fire burned up all the negatives. There are hunderds of things they can do besides doing a shoddy job of editing some photos. Its extremely ludicrous to just make a huge leap of faith that oh they purposefully did it to cover aliens. Be open minded, isn't that what true scientist /conspiracist should be in the first place? You are a hypocritical contradiction. PS- Don't get me wrong, I am very willing to believe anything if I see some obvious empircal proof of evidence. But this is just some little tidbit that could literally be anything. Btw, Did you actually do the reasearch on the topics - talking to gov't officials and visiting gov't archives? Or did you just watch some biased video then read about it on the edited wiki article or some nutjob tinfoil hat wearing hero's website? Don't you think the gov't could have their hands in that too? The only thing you can truly trust, and can truly believe in, is yourself.
NERD WAR!!!!!!!!
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I think there probably are aliens out there...but I'll wait before thinking anything more until we find one and it matters at all.
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CharlieMurphey, take another look at that definition you cited. The term "natural world" refers to things inside of the natural realm, which includes sunlight and paper and magnets. Something outside of the natural realm would be, say, the Christian god. I trust that aliens would still be subject to physics, and are therefore not "supernatural."
As to the existence of aliens, the Drake Equation mentioned earlier is about as good of an approximation that we can get, except that it's filled with holes and assumptions that are questionable. Such as, life requires water. And is carbon based. I guess I'm saying that I don't know. I don't even know if it's probable. My intuitive guess is that it is, but I lack strong evidence to say that with confidence.
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On July 01 2009 08:29 Liquid`Drone wrote: erm a lot of americans believe in aliens and ufo's..
What are you tryin' to say, Norwegian?
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On July 04 2009 05:00 ActualSteve wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2009 08:29 Liquid`Drone wrote: erm a lot of americans believe in aliens and ufo's..
What are you tryin' to say, Norwegian?
Probably that most of the UFO's landed in the US.
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I must say, I think the lack of communication is the main problem, light just travels too slowly to see most of the universe.
So we've been here 50000 years, so that reduces the area aliens could find us (and we finding them) in to 50000 lightyears (by conventional knowledge) which someone already mentioned.
Which is a bit far fetched..
Wormholes and psionics, bending space and time, maybe that could be a valid method? *shrugs* I guess i've played too much starcraft, but it's quite an iconic vision of an alien species, familiar but different - much like most aliens in popular fiction. You don't see many formless horrors (Lovecraft aside )
If anything was visiting us i'd wager they were time travelling humans (only people that would know where we were)
As always; belief follows evidence, though many people have different definitions of the word evidence.
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On July 04 2009 04:57 BottleAbuser wrote: CharlieMurphey, take another look at that definition you cited. The term "natural world" refers to things inside of the natural realm, which includes sunlight and paper and magnets. Something outside of the natural realm would be, say, the Christian god. I trust that aliens would still be subject to physics, and are therefore not "supernatural."
As to the existence of aliens, the Drake Equation mentioned earlier is about as good of an approximation that we can get, except that it's filled with holes and assumptions that are questionable. Such as, life requires water. And is carbon based. I guess I'm saying that I don't know. I don't even know if it's probable. My intuitive guess is that it is, but I lack strong evidence to say that with confidence. I'm not saying the use of the word supernatural is best used to describe aliens, but if 'natural world' means planet earth. Then it makes sense to a degree.
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Hmmmm I do believe that aliens exist somewhere far away in galaxy, I just don't believe they were on Earth (abductions, x-files conspiracy shiet, etc... ).
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I think aliens do exist, If we are here then what's stopping there from being life in other galaxies?! I'm really interested in this topic, I hope scientists keep up the good work on space!
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