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illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
July 03 2009 22:56 GMT
#181
Just for the references, I also keep an open mind that god may exist - no different from aliens.
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SamuelKim
Profile Joined June 2009
United States14 Posts
July 03 2009 23:10 GMT
#182
On July 04 2009 07:56 illu wrote:
Just for the references, I also keep an open mind that god may exist - no different from aliens.

Great! Seeing as the gravitational constant and Earth's climate, revolution around the sun, and distance from it proves that there's such a low chance of Earth devloping such conditions suitable for life by itself, there's some sort of sentinent life outthere.
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The Overmind. ㅋ_ㅋ

Sure, it might not necessarily have to be God but something had to have boosted that chance through intelligent design or else the entire Earth forming as it was only had like... 0.000000000000000001 or something like that.
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Grommit
Profile Joined February 2009
United States162 Posts
July 03 2009 23:20 GMT
#183
On July 04 2009 08:10 SamuelKim wrote:
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On July 04 2009 07:56 illu wrote:
Just for the references, I also keep an open mind that god may exist - no different from aliens.

Great! Seeing as the gravitational constant and Earth's climate, revolution around the sun, and distance from it proves that there's such a low chance of Earth devloping such conditions suitable for life by itself, there's some sort of sentinent life outthere.
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The Overmind. ㅋ_ㅋ

Sure, it might not necessarily have to be God but something had to have boosted that chance through intelligent design or else the entire Earth forming as it was only had like... 0.000000000000000001 or something like that.


Let's say you're right and there is only a "0.000000000000000001" percent chance that a planet can have conditions suitable for life.

There are approximately 400 billion stars in the milky way galaxy. Let's say each one of these had just 5 planets...not 9 (screw you all, I still count pluto). Now let's remember that there are an estimated 125 billion galaxies in the known universe.

I don't want to do the math, but you can clearly see that even 0.000000000000000001% of that would leave an enormous amount of planets suitable for life. Some form of intelligent design did not have to guide the development of life on Earth
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
July 03 2009 23:37 GMT
#184
im pretty sure that there are forms of life out there, like some bacteria or microbes. if intelligent life exists im very sure that they live so far away from us that a contanct is impossible.
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h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
July 07 2009 12:02 GMT
#185
On July 04 2009 08:20 Grommit wrote:
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On July 04 2009 08:10 SamuelKim wrote:
On July 04 2009 07:56 illu wrote:
Just for the references, I also keep an open mind that god may exist - no different from aliens.

Great! Seeing as the gravitational constant and Earth's climate, revolution around the sun, and distance from it proves that there's such a low chance of Earth devloping such conditions suitable for life by itself, there's some sort of sentinent life outthere.
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The Overmind. ㅋ_ㅋ

Sure, it might not necessarily have to be God but something had to have boosted that chance through intelligent design or else the entire Earth forming as it was only had like... 0.000000000000000001 or something like that.


Let's say you're right and there is only a "0.000000000000000001" percent chance that a planet can have conditions suitable for life.

There are approximately 400 billion stars in the milky way galaxy. Let's say each one of these had just 5 planets...not 9 (screw you all, I still count pluto). Now let's remember that there are an estimated 125 billion galaxies in the known universe.

I don't want to do the math, but you can clearly see that even 0.000000000000000001% of that would leave an enormous amount of planets suitable for life. Some form of intelligent design did not have to guide the development of life on Earth



According to those numbers, the epected value of planets with life is 500 (if I typed it in correctly)

Yes, there are aliens. Somewhere on the galaxy some single cell organisms probably chill around. No, there are no Effort like looking aliens that fly around and abduct people for anal exams.
MK
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States496 Posts
July 07 2009 13:59 GMT
#186
In my Scientology book, it's written that Aliens actually exist.
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Shindrah
Profile Joined July 2009
United States74 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-07 16:10:05
July 07 2009 15:35 GMT
#187
I haven't researched it much but there is a couple theories that support both the bible and extra terrestrials (aka humans from another planet, or hybrid humans, probably the result of laboratory experiments!!!! Which people claim to be human/reptilian hybrids). No one really knows how pyramids were made or there is some crazy things the Mayans did and all. Perhaps a group of people left earth during this time that were superior to the rest of the humans on earth technology wise, and left with that technology.

Also there is some crazy stuff on fallen angels, or angels who betrayed god and try to lead humans away from god, and they are far superior intelligently and aren't of the flesh. And being of the flesh is the most often where aliens and the bible contradict amirite? anyways, leading people away from this planet to worship the angel who betrayed god is definitely a good way for the angel to keep people away from the teachings of god. Obviously the angel would have the intelligence to travel away from earth. It also would explain pyramids and mayan temples and stuff, angels could easily craft that stuff

Like I said I didn't do much research on the stuff, I'm probably way off, but I have a fairly strong faith in god so I don't want to waste my time learning something like this when I'll soon know anyways. Interesting stuff none the less.

Pretty much, I don't believe in this stuff, but I thought some might find it interesting, it's a possibility none the less I guess.

Just sayin people, think outside the box, not all theories on aliens contradict the bible.

Oh and hey, first post here on TL
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
July 07 2009 15:50 GMT
#188
whats it like being insane?
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Shindrah
Profile Joined July 2009
United States74 Posts
July 07 2009 16:08 GMT
#189
On July 08 2009 00:50 IdrA wrote:
whats it like being insane?


My ability to research a topic certainly doesn't make me insane.
"End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take" - Some Wizard
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
July 07 2009 16:16 GMT
#190
All i can possibly say on this entire subject is that in (what is believed to be) an infinite universe, everything which is possible will happen an infinite number of times. This means inhabitable planets, alien races, etc.
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Shindrah
Profile Joined July 2009
United States74 Posts
July 07 2009 16:29 GMT
#191
On July 08 2009 01:16 ghermination wrote:
All i can possibly say on this entire subject is that in (what is believed to be) an infinite universe, everything which is possible will happen an infinite number of times. This means inhabitable planets, alien races, etc.


Then the question is, what is possible? That basically brings us back to square one >.>
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ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
July 07 2009 16:39 GMT
#192
On July 04 2009 07:09 CharlieMurphy wrote:
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On July 04 2009 04:57 BottleAbuser wrote:
CharlieMurphey, take another look at that definition you cited. The term "natural world" refers to things inside of the natural realm, which includes sunlight and paper and magnets. Something outside of the natural realm would be, say, the Christian god. I trust that aliens would still be subject to physics, and are therefore not "supernatural."

As to the existence of aliens, the Drake Equation mentioned earlier is about as good of an approximation that we can get, except that it's filled with holes and assumptions that are questionable. Such as, life requires water. And is carbon based. I guess I'm saying that I don't know. I don't even know if it's probable. My intuitive guess is that it is, but I lack strong evidence to say that with confidence.

I'm not saying the use of the word supernatural is best used to describe aliens, but if 'natural world' means planet earth. Then it makes sense to a degree.


Clearly, we have a different understanding of what the term "natural world" means (in what universe, in what classrom, in what class, would it ever refer to planet earth?).

In swedish, supernatural and paranormal are both translated to simply "övernaturlig" (well, there is a word "paranormal" in swedish too but the meaning is the same as "övernaturlig").

To be clear: the reason I laughed was because she excluded aliens from being apart of the natural world and then concluded that she doesn't believe in such things. That's a poor, and backwards way of reasoning.
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Kim_Hyun_Han
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
706 Posts
July 07 2009 17:42 GMT
#193
in believe in proti and zergu
VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
July 07 2009 17:53 GMT
#194
On July 08 2009 00:50 IdrA wrote:
whats it like being insane?


That was totally called for.

On topic: the Fermi paradox is a good basis for not believing in aliens.

The Fermi Paradox
The apparent size and age of the universe suggests that many technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilizations ought to exist.
However, this hypothesis seems inconsistent with the lack of observational evidence to support it.


It obviously doesn't completely disprove the existence of aliens, but if there are (or were) any, why haven't we picked up any form of proof? Radio waves would be the first sign; our radio waves started back in the 1930s, so they've traveled almost 100 light years around us by now. Failing that, if there was an intelligent race nearby (nearby being relative to the size of the milky way galaxy [approximate diameter is 100,000 light years]) that's simply been keeping quiet, we know that no intelligent life exists in a 50 LY radius around our planet (the time it takes for a radio wave to reach an extrasolar planet, and then a response to be sent back).

I do think life is out there other than just on our planet, but I think the Drake Equation is astronomically high in its figures.
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saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
July 07 2009 18:04 GMT
#195
Guess people won't believe until he's beaten Jaedong.

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Igakusei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States610 Posts
July 07 2009 18:14 GMT
#196
On July 01 2009 08:30 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
It is almost directly a religious thing. If there are life forms on other planets it completely goes against everything conservative religions strive to teach.

Most people who realize just how vast the universe really is are smart enough to consider the fact that our planet isnt the only one a perfect distance from a heat source to contain life.


I would think that if you believe in Creation, you're even more likely to believe in aliens than your average atheist.

I mean, if God created life once, why not elsewhere as well? Assuming God created angels and who knows what other heavenly life forms, that implies that He's been creating since long before we came around.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
July 08 2009 01:43 GMT
#197
On July 08 2009 01:08 Shindrah wrote:
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On July 08 2009 00:50 IdrA wrote:
whats it like being insane?


My ability to research a topic certainly doesn't make me insane.

please show me your research on fallen angels
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[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-08 01:54:26
July 08 2009 01:52 GMT
#198
With how vast space is and how insignificant we are in the scheme of it, yeah I think it is highly likely there are other lifeforms out there besides us. Once we realize other lifeforms exist, there becomes too many questions we can't answer. What is the dominant form? How advance is their technology? Most important, are they hot?
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Shindrah
Profile Joined July 2009
United States74 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-08 02:08:11
July 08 2009 02:06 GMT
#199
On July 08 2009 10:43 IdrA wrote:
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On July 08 2009 01:08 Shindrah wrote:
On July 08 2009 00:50 IdrA wrote:
whats it like being insane?


My ability to research a topic certainly doesn't make me insane.

please show me your research on fallen angels


I read some stuff on the internet, that is how I researched it. It's not like I found remnants of fallen angels or something man.
Anyways I do believe trolling is against forum rules and your first post was trolling. Maybe even this one but we can't prove that.
"End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take" - Some Wizard
MK
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States496 Posts
July 08 2009 02:45 GMT
#200
the initial question is : Why don't people believe in aliens?

the answer is pretty like : who says people don't believe ? people are just waiting for more information.
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