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Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
July 26 2009 19:43 GMT
#221
On July 27 2009 03:38 EmS.Radagast wrote:
Trez: honestly we don't have enough knowledge to quantify the odds of intelligent life happening one way or the other, or for humans to have happened specifically. It's very possible that you are right - if one of the evolutionary steps was far less likely to occur than we realize. Odds are that if it is indeed the case, it's one of the earlier stages, simply because the later developments were occurring more and more rapidly - though the same argument can be made for them, it's just less likely to be correct.

For instance, if we find out that the expected time it takes for DNA based life forms to emerge from whatever organic compounds preceded them on earth's environment as it was then, is about say 10 ** 25 years, then intelligent life as we are familiar with is a freak chance -- and may very well not exist anywhere else in the universe - even if there are trillions of other earth-like planets in it.


I get the whole part where it is impossible to quantify the odds, and agree completely that if something were living, it would very likely not be human or even mamalian.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
July 26 2009 19:46 GMT
#222
alien = anything foreign you do not recognize. people living 3 blocks down are technically aliens
but extratrestrial (uh cant spell) life most likely exists since its a big universe right?
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
July 26 2009 20:39 GMT
#223
On July 27 2009 03:23 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Even though the earth is only 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo.....


wow, way to make up random numbers... could you be any more dogmatic?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
July 26 2009 21:09 GMT
#224
On July 27 2009 05:39 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2009 03:23 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Even though the earth is only 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo.....


wow, way to make up random numbers... could you be any more dogmatic?

I took that number from the OP, can be any more illiterate?
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
July 26 2009 21:16 GMT
#225
On July 27 2009 06:09 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2009 05:39 Cambium wrote:
On July 27 2009 03:23 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Even though the earth is only 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo.....


wow, way to make up random numbers... could you be any more dogmatic?

I took that number from the OP, can be any more illiterate?

Lol the odds of US happening were low, but what if some other species gained intelligence before monkeys did? It didn't really NEED to be monkeys that became intelligent first, that is just what happened.

Imo there would have been another intelligent species in our place if we didn't evolve, it might have taken many more millions of years, but it would be surprising if another species didn't evolve such a useful feature as intelligence.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-26 21:23:31
July 26 2009 21:20 GMT
#226
On July 27 2009 06:09 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2009 05:39 Cambium wrote:
On July 27 2009 03:23 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Even though the earth is only 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo.....


wow, way to make up random numbers... could you be any more dogmatic?

I took that number from the OP, can be any more illiterate?


What's about the second part of your statement?

the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo.....


Please enlighten me as to how you deduced the likelihood of our existence is less than "0.0000000000000000000000000000001%".
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
July 26 2009 21:24 GMT
#227
On July 27 2009 06:20 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2009 06:09 Trezeguet23 wrote:
On July 27 2009 05:39 Cambium wrote:
On July 27 2009 03:23 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Even though the earth is only 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo.....


wow, way to make up random numbers... could you be any more dogmatic?

I took that number from the OP, can be any more illiterate?


Actually, I can see some validity in that Earth is less than (inferred) 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, as the size of Earth is known, and we have a general understanding of the size of our universe.

What's about the second part of your statement?

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the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo.....


Please enlighten me as to how you deduced the likelihood of our existence is less than "0.0000000000000000000000000000001%".

The OP asked why people in general don't believe in ETs so I was just showing why maybe some people don't believe in them, not attacking you or anyone's beliefs.

Also, sorry for saying you are illiterate, I thought you meant making up the %, not making up the fact that the likelihood of us.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-26 21:26:08
July 26 2009 21:24 GMT
#228
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
July 26 2009 21:25 GMT
#229
On July 27 2009 06:24 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2009 06:09 Trezeguet23 wrote:
On July 27 2009 05:39 Cambium wrote:
On July 27 2009 03:23 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Even though the earth is only 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo.....


wow, way to make up random numbers... could you be any more dogmatic?

I took that number from the OP, can be any more illiterate?


Also, negligence does not equate to illiteracy...

read above.....hint hint, sorry
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-26 22:27:11
July 26 2009 22:26 GMT
#230
I think a common mistake of people making the assumption that aliens would have made themselves widely known is that you see their behavior as human.

Just because they could visit us doenst mean they have to have human like motivations, and that could very well lead them to do all sorts of shit that makes no sense for us whatsoever such as abducting people leaving probes etc...

Just because a flying saucer didnt land in the white house in front of a shitload of reporters or an army of them came and wiped us out, doenst mean they arent out there, watching us!

Also, the astronauts from Apollo 14 are all batshit crazy insane traitors that want to ashame your country ?

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1037471/Apollo-14-astronaut-claims-aliens-HAVE-contact--covered-60-years.html


http://dsc.discovery.com/space/qa/alien-ufo-edgar-mitchell.html

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MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-27 01:22:23
July 27 2009 01:21 GMT
#231
The OP is quite wrong. In the Star Wars generation, nearly everyone has entertained the possibility (at least for a second) of aliens. How many multiplicities of that second we devote to thinking about aliens depends on the kind of people we are, including how bored we are of our own reality. I know that there are people who believe that realization is a function of the will, but for the ordinary kind of man, one might pose the question: what about aliens requires more than a second's thought?
EmS.Radagast
Profile Joined November 2004
Israel280 Posts
July 27 2009 08:13 GMT
#232
MoltkeWarding, here's one good example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
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Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
July 27 2009 08:38 GMT
#233
lol Ive asked that many times to myself to, i believe in aliens no matter what lol. And in ghosts too lol, i might be delusional but what the heck? >_<
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despite
Profile Joined June 2009
Bulgaria105 Posts
July 27 2009 08:45 GMT
#234
Everyone who plays protoss or zerg and has registration will vote "Yes - And they're watching us..." so this poll is broken.
HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
July 27 2009 08:48 GMT
#235
i rather believe in velociraptors on skateboards. on a more serious note. whats the point if believing? i dont connect aliens with any kind of religion that requires belief but it is more of a scientific fact and unless there is some good proof you just discard the idea.

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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
July 27 2009 09:05 GMT
#236
People don't believe because if intelligent life does exist, then God doesn't exist. It's called denial.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-27 09:44:14
July 27 2009 09:39 GMT
#237
On July 27 2009 17:13 EmS.Radagast wrote:
MoltkeWarding, here's one good example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox


This is pretty interesting stuff. One thing that surprised me though is there is no mention of time. The universe has been around alot longer than earth. Human beings inception to extinction would equate to less than a second if you are talking about time relative to the universe.

I'd say the consensus is that our planet is a typical one. While life spawning here was unlikely to say the least, modern physics seems to agree that we are not particularly unusual when looking at the other, raw, properties of planets.

The odds of finding other intelligent life if you look at the universe in the present are slim to say the least, when you factor in the fact that life has only been around a few hundred million years the odds become even less favorable, considering that there is no reason why other civilizations entire existence (inception to extinction) could fit anywhere into the vast majority of the time line of the universe.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
July 27 2009 09:41 GMT
#238
Silly debate.. a dutch comedian may enlighten you:

- Say there are no aliens, then it is a waste of resources trying to look for them
- If there are aliens, then there are two possibilities:
- The aliens are not as smart as us. In that case, I don't want to deal with them
- The aliens are smarter than us. In this case, there is a very strong likelihood that they will find us before we will find them, no need to go looking for them then.

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MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
July 27 2009 11:23 GMT
#239
On July 27 2009 17:13 EmS.Radagast wrote:
MoltkeWarding, here's one good example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox


Doesn't this line of thinking prevent, rather than stimulate further discussion? The lack of evidence in this case means that there is no basis on which to infer the probability of extraterrestrial life. Why must there be anything more to it?
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
July 27 2009 11:42 GMT
#240
I am so tired of this word, "believe"..

Probably there are other lifeforms in the universe, but until we get some proof, we cant say for sure there is..
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