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On July 27 2009 03:38 EmS.Radagast wrote:
Trez: honestly we don't have enough knowledge to quantify the odds of intelligent life happening one way or the other, or for humans to have happened specifically. It's very possible that you are right - if one of the evolutionary steps was far less likely to occur than we realize. Odds are that if it is indeed the case, it's one of the earlier stages, simply because the later developments were occurring more and more rapidly - though the same argument can be made for them, it's just less likely to be correct.
For instance, if we find out that the expected time it takes for DNA based life forms to emerge from whatever organic compounds preceded them on earth's environment as it was then, is about say 10 ** 25 years, then intelligent life as we are familiar with is a freak chance -- and may very well not exist anywhere else in the universe - even if there are trillions of other earth-like planets in it.
I get the whole part where it is impossible to quantify the odds, and agree completely that if something were living, it would very likely not be human or even mamalian.
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alien = anything foreign you do not recognize. people living 3 blocks down are technically aliens
but extratrestrial (uh cant spell) life most likely exists since its a big universe right?
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On July 27 2009 03:23 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Even though the earth is only 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo.....
wow, way to make up random numbers... could you be any more dogmatic?
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On July 27 2009 05:39 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 03:23 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Even though the earth is only 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo..... wow, way to make up random numbers... could you be any more dogmatic?
I took that number from the OP, can be any more illiterate?
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On July 27 2009 06:09 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 05:39 Cambium wrote:On July 27 2009 03:23 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Even though the earth is only 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo..... wow, way to make up random numbers... could you be any more dogmatic? I took that number from the OP, can be any more illiterate?
Lol the odds of US happening were low, but what if some other species gained intelligence before monkeys did? It didn't really NEED to be monkeys that became intelligent first, that is just what happened.
Imo there would have been another intelligent species in our place if we didn't evolve, it might have taken many more millions of years, but it would be surprising if another species didn't evolve such a useful feature as intelligence.
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On July 27 2009 06:09 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 05:39 Cambium wrote:On July 27 2009 03:23 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Even though the earth is only 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo..... wow, way to make up random numbers... could you be any more dogmatic? I took that number from the OP, can be any more illiterate?
What's about the second part of your statement?
the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo.....
Please enlighten me as to how you deduced the likelihood of our existence is less than "0.0000000000000000000000000000001%".
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On July 27 2009 06:20 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 06:09 Trezeguet23 wrote:On July 27 2009 05:39 Cambium wrote:On July 27 2009 03:23 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Even though the earth is only 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo..... wow, way to make up random numbers... could you be any more dogmatic? I took that number from the OP, can be any more illiterate? Actually, I can see some validity in that Earth is less than (inferred) 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, as the size of Earth is known, and we have a general understanding of the size of our universe. What's about the second part of your statement? Please enlighten me as to how you deduced the likelihood of our existence is less than "0.0000000000000000000000000000001%".
The OP asked why people in general don't believe in ETs so I was just showing why maybe some people don't believe in them, not attacking you or anyone's beliefs.
Also, sorry for saying you are illiterate, I thought you meant making up the %, not making up the fact that the likelihood of us.
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On July 27 2009 06:24 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 06:09 Trezeguet23 wrote:On July 27 2009 05:39 Cambium wrote:On July 27 2009 03:23 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Even though the earth is only 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe, the odds of us happening was even less than that, soo..... wow, way to make up random numbers... could you be any more dogmatic? I took that number from the OP, can be any more illiterate? Also, negligence does not equate to illiteracy...
read above.....hint hint, sorry
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I think a common mistake of people making the assumption that aliens would have made themselves widely known is that you see their behavior as human.
Just because they could visit us doenst mean they have to have human like motivations, and that could very well lead them to do all sorts of shit that makes no sense for us whatsoever such as abducting people leaving probes etc...
Just because a flying saucer didnt land in the white house in front of a shitload of reporters or an army of them came and wiped us out, doenst mean they arent out there, watching us!
Also, the astronauts from Apollo 14 are all batshit crazy insane traitors that want to ashame your country ?
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1037471/Apollo-14-astronaut-claims-aliens-HAVE-contact--covered-60-years.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/space/qa/alien-ufo-edgar-mitchell.html
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The OP is quite wrong. In the Star Wars generation, nearly everyone has entertained the possibility (at least for a second) of aliens. How many multiplicities of that second we devote to thinking about aliens depends on the kind of people we are, including how bored we are of our own reality. I know that there are people who believe that realization is a function of the will, but for the ordinary kind of man, one might pose the question: what about aliens requires more than a second's thought?
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lol Ive asked that many times to myself to, i believe in aliens no matter what lol. And in ghosts too lol, i might be delusional but what the heck? >_<
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Everyone who plays protoss or zerg and has registration will vote "Yes - And they're watching us..." so this poll is broken.
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i rather believe in velociraptors on skateboards. on a more serious note. whats the point if believing? i dont connect aliens with any kind of religion that requires belief but it is more of a scientific fact and unless there is some good proof you just discard the idea.
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Mystlord
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People don't believe because if intelligent life does exist, then God doesn't exist. It's called denial.
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This is pretty interesting stuff. One thing that surprised me though is there is no mention of time. The universe has been around alot longer than earth. Human beings inception to extinction would equate to less than a second if you are talking about time relative to the universe.
I'd say the consensus is that our planet is a typical one. While life spawning here was unlikely to say the least, modern physics seems to agree that we are not particularly unusual when looking at the other, raw, properties of planets.
The odds of finding other intelligent life if you look at the universe in the present are slim to say the least, when you factor in the fact that life has only been around a few hundred million years the odds become even less favorable, considering that there is no reason why other civilizations entire existence (inception to extinction) could fit anywhere into the vast majority of the time line of the universe.
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Silly debate.. a dutch comedian may enlighten you:
- Say there are no aliens, then it is a waste of resources trying to look for them
- If there are aliens, then there are two possibilities:
- The aliens are not as smart as us. In that case, I don't want to deal with them
- The aliens are smarter than us. In this case, there is a very strong likelihood that they will find us before we will find them, no need to go looking for them then.
+ Show Spoiler [Dutch vod] +
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Doesn't this line of thinking prevent, rather than stimulate further discussion? The lack of evidence in this case means that there is no basis on which to infer the probability of extraterrestrial life. Why must there be anything more to it?
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I am so tired of this word, "believe"..
Probably there are other lifeforms in the universe, but until we get some proof, we cant say for sure there is..
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