On June 25 2009 15:49 Manifesto7 wrote: I can't stand this group. They exploit peoples fond sentiments about whales and furry animals to engage in criminal behavior. They deserve no better than the pirates off the coast of Somalia for their reckless endangerment of human life.
This show is akin to terrorist funding. Part of the reason they act so outlandishly is to get the show, get money, and go out again to stir up their shit. The Sea Shepard (with Japanese whaling) and the Farley Mowat (crashing into Canadian coast guard vessels during the seal hunt) should be dealt with in the same manner they treat others.
I don't get it.. noones doing anything about Japanese whaling except for these guys how can that be a bad thing? Something is better than nothing. I'd much rather have Japanese whalers' lives be endangered than having them kill whales against all laws with nothing being done about it. Let it be a choice that if you want to kill whales you are endangering your own life.
On August 15 2009 06:03 Ichigo1234551 wrote: at least they do something about it i hate how people dont like something but they too scared to do shit
Wouldn't it be nice if some extremist green group decided that what you do for a living endangers the planet and they started bombing the place where you work and setting fire to your car and your house?
I'm not going to lie, when I heard the title, I was hoping it would be about whales fighting each other. You cannot imagine my disappointment when I found out what it was really about...
On August 15 2009 06:03 Ichigo1234551 wrote: at least they do something about it i hate how people dont like something but they too scared to do shit
Wouldn't it be nice if some extremist green group decided that what you do for a living endangers the planet and they started bombing the place where you work and setting fire to your car and your house?
At least they'd be doing something about it.
do you understand that the SS doesnt use weapons and only non lethal stuff?
On August 15 2009 06:03 Ichigo1234551 wrote: at least they do something about it i hate how people dont like something but they too scared to do shit
Wouldn't it be nice if some extremist green group decided that what you do for a living endangers the planet and they started bombing the place where you work and setting fire to your car and your house?
At least they'd be doing something about it.
do you understand that the SS doesnt use weapons and only non lethal stuff?
Yet they ram ships...? As well as have on the shirts they wear of ships "sunk".
On August 15 2009 06:03 Ichigo1234551 wrote: at least they do something about it i hate how people dont like something but they too scared to do shit
Wouldn't it be nice if some extremist green group decided that what you do for a living endangers the planet and they started bombing the place where you work and setting fire to your car and your house?
At least they'd be doing something about it.
do you understand that the SS doesnt use weapons and only non lethal stuff?
Ok, they'll make sure you're not in your car when they set it on fire then.
On August 15 2009 06:03 Ichigo1234551 wrote: at least they do something about it i hate how people dont like something but they too scared to do shit
Wouldn't it be nice if some extremist green group decided that what you do for a living endangers the planet and they started bombing the place where you work and setting fire to your car and your house?
At least they'd be doing something about it.
do you understand that the SS doesnt use weapons and only non lethal stuff?
Ok, they'll make sure you're not in your car when they set it on fire then.
uh, well if you were breaking the law and pissing off literally millions of people with the work you do, you would be asking for it
They are violating international law, especially ramming other people... (You know you are putting your own ship's crew and other human beings in danger)
Yes I know both parties are doing illegal shit, but you shouldn't break the law your self in order to stop something that is already illegal. In this case, two wrongs doesn't make a right.
Side note: Remember when PETA hired arsonists and bombers to bomb animal testing facilities? They also endorse such actions and most importantly, they frequently invite these "heroes" to give speeches to their members about making simple bombs to bomb more buildings. Also spraying blood on little kids wearing Mickey Mouse ears and so on and so on and so on. The dirt I know about PETA is too much to list.
but they're not breaking any laws, and it's definitely not like they are "asking for it". it's more like a bunch of whiny immature idiots who have absolutely nothing going for them decide to go on a cruise of mass terrorism, vandalism and misguided pseudo-vigilantism; and in their quest to feel like they matter to the world they target an innocent group of people who are only doing their job.
just because you piss off a bunch of people doesn't mean you deserve this crap from self-righteous idiots (talking about the sea shepherd guys, not the people in this thread )
edit: there are better, more effective ways to try and change the world instead of presuming to take the matter into their own hands
On August 15 2009 12:38 jonnyp wrote: but they're not breaking any laws, and it's definitely not like they are "asking for it". it's more like a bunch of whiny immature idiots who have absolutely nothing going for them decide to go on a cruise of mass terrorism, vandalism and misguided pseudo-vigilantism; and in their quest to feel like they matter to the world they target an innocent group of people who are only doing their job.
just because you piss off a bunch of people doesn't mean you deserve this crap from self-righteous idiots (talking about the sea shepherd guys, not the people in this thread )
They are breaking the law read the news article someone posted a few pages back. You call ramming a ship and throwing ACID at people not breaking the law?
On August 15 2009 12:38 jonnyp wrote: but they're not breaking any laws, and it's definitely not like they are "asking for it". it's more like a bunch of whiny immature idiots who have absolutely nothing going for them decide to go on a cruise of mass terrorism, vandalism and misguided pseudo-vigilantism; and in their quest to feel like they matter to the world they target an innocent group of people who are only doing their job.
just because you piss off a bunch of people doesn't mean you deserve this crap from self-righteous idiots (talking about the sea shepherd guys, not the people in this thread )
They are breaking the law read the news article someone posted a few pages back. You call ramming a ship and throwing ACID at people not breaking the law?
On August 15 2009 12:38 jonnyp wrote: but they're not breaking any laws, and it's definitely not like they are "asking for it". it's more like a bunch of whiny immature idiots who have absolutely nothing going for them decide to go on a cruise of mass terrorism, vandalism and misguided pseudo-vigilantism; and in their quest to feel like they matter to the world they target an innocent group of people who are only doing their job.
just because you piss off a bunch of people doesn't mean you deserve this crap from self-righteous idiots (talking about the sea shepherd guys, not the people in this thread )
They are breaking the law read the news article someone posted a few pages back. You call ramming a ship and throwing ACID at people not breaking the law?
i was talking about the whalers O_o
what... ur referring to 'whiny immature idiots' that go on cruise of 'mass terrorism and misguided pseudo vigalntism" -> sea shepherds not whalers..
On August 15 2009 12:38 jonnyp wrote: but they're not breaking any laws, and it's definitely not like they are "asking for it". it's more like a bunch of whiny immature idiots who have absolutely nothing going for them decide to go on a cruise of mass terrorism, vandalism and misguided pseudo-vigilantism; and in their quest to feel like they matter to the world they target an innocent group of people who are only doing their job.
just because you piss off a bunch of people doesn't mean you deserve this crap from self-righteous idiots (talking about the sea shepherd guys, not the people in this thread )
edit: there are better, more effective ways to try and change the world instead of presuming to take the matter into their own hands
Just because they are not breaking any laws that doesn't mean what they do is good, or morally correct. Japanese whalers cover their whale hunting in research programs.
Not only that, but they also go hunt whales in international waters or even in other countries maritime platforms. The times they get caught, they just release the prey, or shield behind their research center, which is supported by the japanese goverment.
Not only that, but Japan has threatened to leave the Whaling Commission several times, to just do whatever they want.
The so called research has been condoned by other nations (Australia is one example) saying that it's not needed to kill the way to do such research. Japan says that lethal sampling is the only way to go.
Also aggression goes both ways, there have been reported attacks of japanese whalers on patrol boats when they were caught hunting whales on forbidden territory.
I would also like to add that i would love for this to have a happy ending in legal terms. But i don't see it happening. Even when the US pressured Japan, all they got is to promise to not go over a quota, which they already surpass and keeps growing by the year.
If the us and most of japan's surrounding nations oppose through legal ways and japan doesn't hold back, what else can be done?
BUT I STILL THINK THAT you shouldn't have to use illegal/unethical ways to stop something else that is illegal/debatable. Look at the PETA issues I posted.
i'm not saying what the whalers are doing is correct or morally right (a tenuous argument relative to one's morals anyways), but they don't deserve to be terrorized for it. if they are caught by officials in forbidden territory then they should be arrested/charged, but there is a huge difference between being caught by officials and being caught by these "pirates".
i don't really know what the whaling commission is but shouldn't a country be allowed to make and leave agreements when they want? it's not like this is an international security issue like N Korea (among others) ignoring sanctions to stop nuclear arms research.
edit: if they signed a treaty to respect this agreement for a set period of time then all we can really do is sanction and/or otherwise pressure them. but in the end the US (or the UN) can't make everyone's decisions for them
as far as violence from whalers, if these patrol boats had the right to enforce these restrictions then yes, the whalers were at fault and once again should be arrested and charged. however, if these patrol boats were other boats such as this "sea shepherd" then return violence is to be expected
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