Whale Wars - Page 3

On June 26 2009 17:26 ArvickHero wrote:
I thought the thread heading was going to be a clever name about a show that stars a bunch of fat people fighting each other

On June 30 2009 23:43 Manit0u wrote:


And?

I don't need whales (and I'll probably never see one live). Why should I care?

(this is a serious question, we've even asked such at our philosphy classes at the univ)

On June 25 2009 16:38 esla_sol wrote:
though not about whales, brad stine (comedian) has some good stuff to say about animal rights activism.

On June 30 2009 23:43 Manit0u wrote:


And?

I don't need whales (and I'll probably never see one live). Why should I care?

(this is a serious question, we've even asked such at our philosphy classes at the univ)

On July 01 2009 00:22 BlackJack wrote:


Lots of people go "whale watching." I'd love to go whale watching. Whales are the largest animals that have ever existed on this planet.

On July 01 2009 00:40 Eury wrote:


I don't understand why whales are being put up on a higher pedestal than other animals. There are smarter, cuter and more useful animals out there if we really want to be cynical about it.

Not that I endorse whaling, but I don't see the issue with hunting whales when we are hunting other animals as long as they aren't endangered. The sort of whale those Japanese whalers seem to hunt isn't endangered though.

On July 01 2009 00:56 starcraftomatic wrote:
To Mr. Philosophical "I don't need whales, why should I care?" well you're exactly right. Given that your attitude is basically "I want what I want and everything else doesn't matter." Exactly fits your idea on the whales.

On June 30 2009 23:43 Manit0u wrote:


And?

I don't need whales (and I'll probably never see one live). Why should I care?

(this is a serious question, we've even asked such at our philosphy classes at the univ)

On June 25 2009 17:23 The Storyteller wrote:
This is the wrong way to go about things entirely. There has been a sustained campaign against hunting sharks, but it isn't done through piracy and a bunch of morons acting like terrorists. Since many sharks are hunted because of the enormous demand for their fins by the newly wealthy Chinese, the campaign works by educating the Chinese and encouraging them not to eat sharks' fin. And it works.

On July 01 2009 01:02 BlackJack wrote:


Pretty much all sea animals that are fished for food are protected to make sure they don't become endangered. Tuna, Salmon, Crab, Lobster, etc. In this instance, whales are not on a higher pedestal.

On June 27 2009 11:38 Lefnui wrote:


You're both complete idiots if you enjoyed even a moment of that garbage. That's Brad Stine, perhaps the least talented comedian around. He endlessly complains about how Christians are persecuted in the United States, even though they're the massive majority. He seems to think being a conservative Christian is what has kept him from fame, when in fact it's simply that the liberal atheists are far more clever and funny.

This entire video is him arguing against a straw man. Very few people claim that animals are equal to humans and deserve to be treated as such. That view is of a tiny, insignificant minority. However, there are many who believe we should treat animals with kindness instead of viewing them as entities solely for our use. He speaks of how a lion or a whale would devour a human if given the chance, he somehow thinks that's an actual argument for how we should treat them. Shouldn't we be held to a slightly higher standard than that? I don't derive my sense of justice and morality from lions, but clearly this fool does. It's comical how he goes on and on about how much more logical and intelligent we are than animals but fails to see that we should think differently for that very reason.



There's another video of this ignorant moron exhibiting his stupidity. Firstly, he seems to take great pride from the fact that "we" invented basketball. "We" didn't, a Canadian did while in the United States. Then he falsely claims that the world plays American football, which couldn't be less true. No other country accepted American football, it has been a complete disaster internationally. The NFL pumped a large sum of money into the development of the sport in Europe, Europe said "No thanks, we'll keep our football". He acts as if soccer has been a failure when it's the most massively popular sport of all time. Go to almost any country and football will be played there by everyone, you'll be lucky if you even see an American football. Like any far right wing fool, he attacks France with ridiculous cliches. He panders to hicks, no one should take him seriously. You should never quote this person on any issue, especially animal rights.

If you want to see a comedian with sharp, insightful commentary then watch Bill Hicks, George Carlin or Bill Maher. Not this nobody.

On July 01 2009 01:45 Hawk wrote:
There's a whole thing called an ecosystem you fucking nitwit.

Every human being has a biological need that must be constantly met - oxygen. And 70% of the oxygen added to the atmosphere each year comes from plankton in the sea. Serious damage to the world ocean therefore could endanger the entire atmosphere of the earth. During the last two decades (1950's and 60's) man has killed so many of the large whales that four species of whale have been reduced from a total of several million to just a few thousand.

Every one of these vanished millions of whales used to consume several hundred tons of a large species of zooplankton a year. That plankton now is undergoing a classic population explosion for want of a predator. What will be the effect on the oxygen-producing smaller plankton of the world ocean? What will be the effect on the colour and reflectivity of the oceans? What will be the effect on the average water temperature of the oceans, on its dissolved oxygen content and subsequently on the earth's atmosphere? No one knows.

Climatologists know any significant change in ocean temperature can have profound effects on the earth's climates. By killing off the whales of the world man is playing Russian roulette with the earth's primary support system.
Source(s):
www.whales.org.au

On June 30 2009 23:43 Manit0u wrote:


And?

I don't need whales (and I'll probably never see one live). Why should I care?

(this is a serious question, we've even asked such at our philosphy classes at the univ)

On July 01 2009 03:12 Eury wrote:


Over fishing is a big issue but I don't see that being the issue here. The Japanese are killing 800 per year of a particular whale that have a population over 500 000.

On July 01 2009 05:30 BlackJack wrote:


True, however commercial whaling is also illegal. If whaling was allowed, I'm sure it may be a bigger issue considering how many species we've already made endangered. It's probably a lot harder to regulate if you excuse the behavior of the Japanese by saying 'well a few hundred whales isn't going to make a difference.' Then everyone is going to want in on the industry.