EPTI disagree with the practics.
He should be stopped.
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Velr
Switzerland10854 Posts
I disagree with the practics. He should be stopped. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Japan Attempts Amendment of Dutch Statutes It appears as though Japan may have finally succeeded in gaining enough influence in the Netherlands to attempt to dictate Dutch law. Because the Steve Irwin, the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society’s flagship (used to obstruct activities by Japanese whalers in violation of international laws and in an internationally recognized Whale Sanctuary), is registered in the Netherlands, the Japanese authorities have lodged an official complaint regarding the conduct and behavior of the Steve Irwin. In recent years, a number of incidents have taken place between the vessels of the Japanese whaling fleet and Sea Shepherd in the waters of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary. According to the Dutch Transport and Water Management Inspectorate, both parties have been guilty of breaking international regulations concerning good seamanship and the safety at sea. While it appears that this will not have any serious consequences for Japanese state-supported and illegal operations, it may carry serious consequences for Sea Shepherd. On request of the Dutch Transport and Water Management Inspectorate, the Dutch Public Ministry investigated and determined it is not feasible to start a legal prosecution. The Dutch cabinet is now considering a ban against Sea Shepherd vessels sailing under the Dutch flag. Public Works State Secretary Tineke Huizinga said she wants to amend the law quickly to make this possible. Japan has repeatedly complained to the Netherlands about Sea Shepherd. Current law makes it difficult to take action against ships already registered with the Dutch government, so the cabinet wants to speedily extend its legal options for withdrawing certificates of registry, according to Huizinga. Unfortunately, the Dutch authorities would be closing their eyes to the fact that all the incidents between the illegal Japanese whalers and Sea Shepherd have taken place in the waters of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary and/or in others areas protected by international and Australian Federal law. The Japanese whaling fleet is engaged in illegal activities, but lack of enforcement allows them to operate largely unopposed. Sea Shepherd is the only organization actively enforcing conservation law to stop these Antarctic poachers, and operates under the UN World Charter for Nature to that end. For years now the Netherlands have stated they are against whaling, but have not taken any action to back up this statement. Now, given the opportunity to stand up to Japan, they intend to persecute the only organization worldwide actively striving to enforce international laws and protect whales. Why does the Dutch government not show its independence and acknowledge the violations of the law committed by the Japanese whalers? Why is Japan apparently placed above international law? Japan has placed itself above the law because it assumes no government in the world would show the will to actively accuse and legally prosecute Japan for their many violations of international conservation laws. The only entity that has dared to stand up and act is Sea Shepherd. The Netherlands now has an opportunity to join the legal and ethical side in this battle. Will the Dutch government narrow-mindedly support illegal whaling operations, or will they support the only organization actively seeking to uphold those same laws by not pandering to Japanese objections? It seems that Japan is attempting to amend Dutch law. We hope we are wrong. Regardless, we will continue to defend the defenseless against illegal activities in the Antarctic and elsewhere. | ||
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
On June 27 2009 12:31 Lefnui wrote: He is speaking of animals which became extinct naturally, whales on the other hand are being wiped out by humans alone. I wonder though, if we all (humans, bugs, animals) evolved simply through random mutation of the same starting genes, how is it "natural" for a species to go extinct due to "animals" but not natural if it goes extinct because of "human animals"? Seems like regardless of how you view the world (secularly or religiously), it should lead you to the same conclusion that it is ok for us to "use" or kill animals. Religious view: We are children of God, he made the earth for us and put animals here for our use. He gave us teeth that could be used on both plants AND animals and gave us weak skin that requires the skins of other animals to keep us warm, etc. Secular view: All life derived from random mutation and when a mutation tends to propagate the species, that mutant allele becomes more dominant. Thus, all life after billions of years of selfish evolution to propagate its own offspring, animals (including humans), and plants naturally use every resource possible to propagate itself. Whales are useful to humans just like plankton are useful to whales. Either way, you are left with the conclusion that there is nothing wrong with humans eating/using animals. BTW, there certain IS something wrong with humans trying to destroy other humans' livelihood and even putting their lives at risk because of a disagreement. Religiously or secularly, it is obviously wrong. | ||
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
On July 01 2009 00:37 Ethenielle wrote: About the topic, I think that's a pretty retarded way of going about it.. but then again I also think whalers are pretty retarded, so it evens out I guess? -_-;; That is a crass statement. Suppose I had said, "Killing abortionist George Tiller was wrong, but his killing of babies was wrong so that evens it out". You would then obviously see how wrong that sentiment is. Even if you think someone is doing something wrong, attacking them in unlawful and dangerous ways (a "bad" undoing a "bad") does not work, and it is NEVER an excuse. If we want to stop people from whaling, then we have to figure out a lawful way to do so. Just like if we want to stop people from killing unborn babies, it has to be done in a legal way that does not endanger the lives of people who we disagree with. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
http://www.icrwhale.org/eng/history.pdf http://www.highnorth.no/library/movements/Sea_Shepherd/se-sh-re.htm 1980: The IWC at its meeting in Brighton, United Kingdom, assigns high-level protection to two Canadian Government delegates after Watson threatened to kill them for voting against a moratorium on sperm whales. Delegates given Royal Canadian Mounted Police protection until their return home to Canada. 1986: Sea Shepherd attempts to stop Faroe Islands pilot whale harvest. Using rifles, Sea Shepherd activists shoot at Faroe Islands police in an attempt to sink their rubber dinghies. The vessel “Sea Shepherd” was ordered to leave Faroese territorial waters. The police report of 7 October 1986 states: “One of the rubber dinghies was attacked directly by a “Speed Line” line rifle. The attack … endangered the lives of the police crewmembers ... and signal flares containing phosphorous was thrown at the police. At a later stage the Sea Shepherd used “toads” (rotating iron spikes, pointed and sharp at both ends) against the rubber dinghies … petrol was poured over the side of the ship and signal flares were thrown from the “Sea Shepherd” in an attempt to set the petrol on fire.” 1993: Paul Watson orders the crew on board the Sea Shepherd vessel “Edward Abbey” (formerly US Navy) to open cannon fire at a Japanese fishing vessel. Sea Shepherd crew do not carry out the order, but instead fire a shot across the bow of the Japanese vessel. The Japanese vessel does not stop. (Recorded by Yorkshire Television Documentary “Defenders of the Wild – Ocean Rider”.) Now if these statements are true no country or organized body in the world would be able to stop said country from sending in military protection for these ships. If SS tried something they could easily be fired on worse that just a LRAD, and pressure hoses. | ||
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Diomedes
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Clasic
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On June 26 2009 17:11 HuskyTheHusky wrote: I got about half way through and couldnt finish it. One of the good things about being human is having the ability to take care of others. He says we are better than animals but enforces stooping to their level by eating/killing them. How is it being better than them if you encourage doing exactly what they do? I'm not a vegetarian or anything, I just think this guys whole angle is very confusing. Edit: I just noticed this video has very few views and not a high rating, so I guess there is still hope  Yah. This guys a douche. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On July 16 2009 11:44 Diomedes wrote: Them 'attacking whalers like terrorists' is actually them enforcing international law. Throwing stink bombs at people has nothing to do with enforcing the law. Give me a break. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
So the results of their attack is 2 sea shepherd members get injured and they run dangerously low on fuel before having to return to base. Job well done. | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
On June 26 2009 17:11 HuskyTheHusky wrote: I got about half way through and couldnt finish it. One of the good things about being human is having the ability to take care of others. He says we are better than animals but enforces stooping to their level by eating/killing them. How is it being better than them if you encourage doing exactly what they do? I'm not a vegetarian or anything, I just think this guys whole angle is very confusing. Edit: I just noticed this video has very few views and not a high rating, so I guess there is still hope I thought it was funny, agree with his sentiments about some people going overboard for animal rights. Especially peta members being UNABLE to use medicines that came from animal testing/whatever to save their own lives (while the bitch president of the organization does) just fucking ridiculous. | ||
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hooktits
United States972 Posts
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
Sustainable whaling is fine and these guys need to bring change through proper channels. I just hope it doesn't take someone dying off the crew for all of them to realize what a bad idea this is. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On July 16 2009 12:49 HatchetWound wrote: that fat white guy with the white beard i see in the promo disgusts me. He has a fat face and his look of concern makes me feel uneasy so i wouldn't dare watch it... but i hope you all enjoy it it's funny when people get injured or go missing. He's completely quiet and has this look on his face knowing that it's entirely his fault because he launches "attacks" in terrible conditions. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On June 25 2009 15:49 Manifesto7 wrote: I can't stand this group. They exploit peoples fond sentiments about whales and furry animals to engage in criminal behavior. They deserve no better than the pirates off the coast of Somalia for their reckless endangerment of human life. This show is akin to terrorist funding. Part of the reason they act so outlandishly is to get the show, get money, and go out again to stir up their shit. The Sea Shepard (with Japanese whaling) and the Farley Mowat (crashing into Canadian coast guard vessels during the seal hunt) should be dealt with in the same manner they treat others. This is the long and short of it, folks. This show practices something hypocritical known as...ETHNOCENTRISM. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On June 25 2009 15:49 Manifesto7 wrote: I can't stand this group. They exploit peoples fond sentiments about whales and furry animals to engage in criminal behavior. They deserve no better than the pirates off the coast of Somalia for their reckless endangerment of human life. This show is akin to terrorist funding. Part of the reason they act so outlandishly is to get the show, get money, and go out again to stir up their shit. The Sea Shepard (with Japanese whaling) and the Farley Mowat (crashing into Canadian coast guard vessels during the seal hunt) should be dealt with in the same manner they treat others. I don't get it.. noones doing anything about Japanese whaling except for these guys how can that be a bad thing? Something is better than nothing. I'd much rather have Japanese whalers' lives be endangered than having them kill whales against all laws with nothing being done about it. Let it be a choice that if you want to kill whales you are endangering your own life. p.s. I don't watch the show | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
On July 17 2009 18:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I don't get it.. noones doing anything about Japanese whaling except for these guys how can that be a bad thing? Something is better than nothing. I'd much rather have Japanese whalers' lives be endangered than having them kill whales against all laws with nothing being done about it. Let it be a choice that if you want to kill whales you are endangering your own life. p.s. I don't watch the show Are you trying to imply that the lives of the whales are more valuable than the lives of the crews on board of the ship and the whalers? No one does anything about it is because people are not aware of such things, and even if people that are aware of such things, why should they care? this is a serious question, if the whale gone extinct how would it affect us? well, does it have any effect on us at all? These people are the very evidence that society is going backwards, solving problems by the means of violence and threat, what are u hoping to accomplish by recklessly endangering your own lives and others to stop a few whalers doing their job? these acts curbs maybe one or two acts of whaling once in awhile, but the real way to address this issues is by tackling the root cause of the whaling industry, and solve it by the a civilized manner, through the rule of law. Performing terrorist acts makes u nothing more than a nuisance to the whole whaling industry and discredit urself. In fact, Why the fuck are we so hard bent on saving these animals when about half of the world population doesn't even have enough food to eat? Look at Africa, i'd bet anyone that's got a tele have seen WTF its like over there, yet, the priorities of these self-righteous "Animal/green Activist" puts their effort and resources into saving Animals rather than HUMAN BEINGS? don't fucking tell me that the life of these animals are worth more than human life. We can't even take care of our own kind yet, what makes u think we can take care of others? | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2925 Posts
I'm sure there are different ways to fight these whaling crimes, while they might not be as effective on short term. It isn't hard to find people who are disgusted by animal abuse and acts of animal cruelty. I don't feel like this really solves anything, except for stimulating and creating a more violent environment. Like.. what are we talking about here? While I do think it is our responsibility to keep animal abuse from happening, in my books Humans still are a big step up from Animals. I find it pretty fked up if you one values the lives of animal over a human one, and is ready to put other people's lives on the line to save an animal. It's a structural problem that needs to be dealt with in different ways. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On June 25 2009 15:49 Manifesto7 wrote: I can't stand this group. They exploit peoples fond sentiments about whales and furry animals to engage in criminal behavior. They deserve no better than the pirates off the coast of Somalia for their reckless endangerment of human life. This show is akin to terrorist funding. Part of the reason they act so outlandishly is to get the show, get money, and go out again to stir up their shit. The Sea Shepard (with Japanese whaling) and the Farley Mowat (crashing into Canadian coast guard vessels during the seal hunt) should be dealt with in the same manner they treat others. Agreed. I'm not a fan of the Japanese whalers, but I'll never condone acts of terrorism against them. | ||
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