EPTSo when they leave the comission and hunt whatever they want, they are not only endangering whales but the ecosystems in other countries / international waters.
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IntoTheWow
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So when they leave the comission and hunt whatever they want, they are not only endangering whales but the ecosystems in other countries / international waters. | ||
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jonnyp
United States415 Posts
even if the whalers break the law these pirates have no legal rights to do what they do, and they endanger the lives of other human beings. I don't support what the whalers do, i think it's wrong in fact however, I definitely don't support the pirates. they are terrorists and should be treated as such. iirc they've actually sunk 10 ships along with causing millions of dollars in damages. | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
google..: the cove LOL | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
On June 30 2009 23:43 Manit0u wrote: And? I don't need whales (and I'll probably never see one live). Why should I care? (this is a serious question, we've even asked such at our philosphy classes at the univ) So is your attitude that we should only save species that have a direct effect on our lives? Because it's true that whales don't have a HUGE effect on the ecosystem that humans live in. But it's extremely ignorant to have that kind of attitude if you are not aware of the fact that there are countless, countless species that make this Earth habitable and provide us certain comforts that you would probably be unhappy without. A philosophical debate over it with no knowledge of the actual empirical facts is useless. | ||
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sRapers_ValkS
United States644 Posts
anyway the first time i watched whale wars i had to turn it off, it was absolutely sickening. I don't know about any of the rest of you but i've been sailing for nearly my whole life and I can tell you from personal experience that the oceans can be a scary ass place. The fact that these maniacs are crazy enough to ram other boats and boast that they've sunk x amount is ridiculous. Don't tell me that that's non-lethal. The lengths of unseamanship like behavior that these people go to is absolutely ridiculous. It not only endangers all people involved but also sends a message to the people that watch the show: "if you believe someone is doing something morally wrong then you should take them out at all costs". such a philosophy will only lead to anarchy. And no, the japanese are not breaking international law. They have been given a quota of whales that they are allowed to hunt. It was basically set as a compromise so that they are under a (perhaps limited) amount of control when it comes to whaling. Wherever you stand on the topic of whaling you shouldn't think that it's right to do such things as they do. Additionally, it's all good and fine to say that the japanese are at fault and deserve to be punished while we're here, but seriously...killing them? come on now. How would it be any different if you were a fisherman and i decided that what you were doing was "wrong" so i tipped over your boat in the middle of the ocean. pretty flippin nonsensical if you ask me. Sorry I'm all in a craze and I don't even know if what i wrote will be coherent to you guys, but the show is positively frightening to me although that may just be a side effect of my knowing the terrible might of the ruthless sea (corney, way corny but whateva it's true). | ||
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But what I do know for sure is that whaling is horribly wrong, as wrong as killing any other highly intelligent innocent animal. And, there is an international ban on whaling. So in international waters, whaling is illegal. So yes... unless I am missing out on something here.... the japanese whalers do break the law. | ||
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G3CKO
Canada1430 Posts
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IntoTheWow
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On August 15 2009 14:24 sRapers_ValkS wrote: Hi i'm new here and just created my account, though i've been reading the forums for like...almost a whole WEEK. crazyino.... anyway the first time i watched whale wars i had to turn it off, it was absolutely sickening. I don't know about any of the rest of you but i've been sailing for nearly my whole life and I can tell you from personal experience that the oceans can be a scary ass place. The fact that these maniacs are crazy enough to ram other boats and boast that they've sunk x amount is ridiculous. Don't tell me that that's non-lethal. The lengths of unseamanship like behavior that these people go to is absolutely ridiculous. It not only endangers all people involved but also sends a message to the people that watch the show: "if you believe someone is doing something morally wrong then you should take them out at all costs". such a philosophy will only lead to anarchy. And no, the japanese are not breaking international law. They have been given a quota of whales that they are allowed to hunt. It was basically set as a compromise so that they are under a (perhaps limited) amount of control when it comes to whaling. Wherever you stand on the topic of whaling you shouldn't think that it's right to do such things as they do. Additionally, it's all good and fine to say that the japanese are at fault and deserve to be punished while we're here, but seriously...killing them? come on now. How would it be any different if you were a fisherman and i decided that what you were doing was "wrong" so i tipped over your boat in the middle of the ocean. pretty flippin nonsensical if you ask me. Sorry I'm all in a craze and I don't even know if what i wrote will be coherent to you guys, but the show is positively frightening to me although that may just be a side effect of my knowing the terrible might of the ruthless sea (corney, way corny but whateva it's true). The quota is not in whales, but in tons of whales. The official numbers already exceed the quota. I'm guessing the real numbers go over it by a big margin. edit: I don't think the ramming is the best course of action. But all i'm saying is I don't see a way to stop Japan from doing this that doesn't escalate into a big internation conflict. Of course most countries don't want to take it that far, specially against a country like Japan, which is why i think that nothing will be done to stop them for a long time. Besides this attacks, who else is watching them or what else is stopping them? even if they get caught the "researchers" are released, and nothing changes. You need something that impacts the media, the japanese people, or someone so they react and take the matter into consideration.... | ||
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IntoTheWow
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On August 15 2009 13:01 IntoTheWow wrote: I would also like to add that i would love for this to have a happy ending in legal terms. But i don't see it happening. Even when the US pressured Japan, all they got is to promise to not go over a quota, which they already surpass and keeps growing by the year. If the us and most of japan's surrounding nations oppose through legal ways and japan doesn't hold back, what else can be done? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3892909.stm Nuke them one more time. LOL. Well, it is the US. We've done it before. LMAO. Nah, I kid, I kid. I really don't know, get more people involved? But would the Japanese people really change their traditions and lifestyle for these "animals no one cares about?" I doubt it. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
I am anti-whaling but god damn this helps nothing, especially the Whales. | ||
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stanley_
United States816 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27178 Posts
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Ichigo1234551
United States649 Posts
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wok
United States504 Posts
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Ichigo1234551
United States649 Posts
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Pingvinen
Sweden78 Posts
Everybody was pointing out the big disaster of all the plastic bags being a major force when it comes to destroying our nature, when in reallity it is not a significant source -its just a very visible one. Same with all the whales. The ships that are trawling the oceanfloor are doing far more dmg to the enviorment and fauna, but showing a suffering dolphin or a puppy on tv is more dramatic then some random oceanfloor thats been ruined. | ||
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