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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On May 09 2009 09:40 Yurebis wrote: It's not a reaction, it's all the crap thats in these things. Thats why I don't take any vaccines, and recommend everyone close to me not to. enjoy your polio. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On May 09 2009 12:21 Frits wrote: I'm not sure how fluoride is a heavy metal, you should take another look at the periodic table because that statement makes no sense to me. That and it is only toxic in high doses, even to people who are hypersensitive to it. It's not defined as a toxic metal though anywhere. And it sounds completely unreasonable that it could affect cognition in low doses. I don't even know if fluoride can pass the blood brain barrier, left my neuropsychology book at home so I can't really look anything up right now lol. But even then, how would it affect cognition, what receptors would it work on? I really really really don't think this is possible. The effects of (heavy) metals poisoning occurs through accumulation in the kidney in any case don't they? So it would simply not affect cognition. I agree with you in general. However, I should point out that one of the issues with fluoride is that, while by itself it's more or less your benign anion, the compounds it forms with other chemical species is what makes it "potentially" harmful. Still, there hasn't been any research demonstrating that those toxic compounds are produced in your body when you ingest fluoride. In any case, comparing fluoride to a heavy metal like magnesium isn't correct, because magnesium has deep physiological impact on its own, due to its multivalence allowing it to significantly affect enzyme functions by itself. My point of view on this is: if fluoride was actually a major issue, it would have become a serious problem by now. People have been drinking fluoride water for how many years now? Still, as I said before, it would be nice to have more proper studies studying that quantify the effects of drinking fluoride in water, because at this point it's obvious that there are both pro's and con's, it's just a matter of weighing them out. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
but yes fluoride is toxic at certain levels. and beyond that, it's effect on human physiology is cumulative. And how would it effect cognition? I do not know, I am not a neuroscientist. But there have been studies: http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/#human just look | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Interesting O_O I am highly curious as to what parameters they used to conduct their studies, how they controlled their experiments, and what sampling size they used. Still, very interesting. Inb4 this is why Americans are stupid. Btw, how did we come to discuss fluoride in drinking water? I thought this was a thread about vaccines wtf. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On May 09 2009 12:33 travis wrote: heavy metal wasn't what i wanted to say at all heh but yes fluoride is toxic at certain levels. and beyond that, it's effect on human physiology is cumulative. And how would it effect cognition? I do not know, I am not a neuroscientist. But there have been studies: http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/#human just look Those studies are mostly from China as far as I can tell, I'm not so sure if those would hold up to the standards of modern western science so I would take it with a grain of salt. Even then those studies mostly concern large doses, at least way larger than we're ever exposed to as far as I can tell and they concern the development, not cognition directly. From a developmental perspective you can be at ease though that our children are not at risk from the effects of fluoride on their development in the western world. On May 09 2009 12:38 Juicyfruit wrote: Interesting O_O I am highly curious as to what parameters they used to conduct their studies, how they controlled their experiments, and what sampling size they used. Still, very interesting. Inb4 this is why Americans are stupid. Btw, how did we come to discuss fluoride in drinking water? I thought this was a thread about vaccines wtf. It's actually a thread about the ethics of the american army but a few conspiracy theorists kinda hijacked the thread when they generalized that these things are an every day occurrence in civilian life. | ||
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Weaponx3
Canada232 Posts
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On May 09 2009 12:38 Juicyfruit wrote: Btw, how did we come to discuss fluoride in drinking water? I thought this was a thread about vaccines wtf. - answer to that one is easy = Fritz lol + Show Spoiler + one more opinion in the sea of opinions: - topical fluoride is good idea, systemic treatment on the other hand i.e. ingestion of fluoride and water fluoridation = outright outdated & retarded policy proof? if u want it, find it urself, tired of arguing with anyone about it - at home everyone gets fluoride topical treatment at the dentist & we all drink filtered water and that's that : ) - | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
i didnt bring it up why are you being a passive aggressive douche against me anyway, arent you like 40 years old or something, grow the fuck up | ||
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PadrinO
Canada103 Posts
Heck, even in Canada you sign a contract before joining the military that specifically says they can force you to take any drugs they want you to without being forced to tell you what it is. Nothing new here. | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On May 09 2009 13:13 Frits wrote: why are you being a passive aggressive douche against me anyway, arent you like 40 years old or something, grow the fuck up there go the insults lol.. + Show Spoiler + and the psychobabble which on top of u can't even apply properly t (-.-) u2 bud On May 09 2009 13:13 Frits wrote: i didnt bring it up lol, nope u didn't, just 1-2 replies, each (default) page of this thread, arguing about it ; ) | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
On May 09 2009 13:15 PadrinO wrote: What's the issue? Either he received a flu shot and he had a one-in-a-million reaction or the military shot him with something undisclosed, which is something you agree on when you join the military. Heck, even in Canada you sign a contract before joining the military that specifically says they can force you to take any drugs they want you to without being forced to tell you what it is. Nothing new here. The issue I suppose was the pretty big mistake of not putting the shot onto the guy's medical record and also denying telling his own mother what the shot was when he was dying from the after-effects. What was more interesting to me more though in this interview was the guy from inside the medical department who was providing us with what was happening behind the scenes. It's just one random guy who we don't know about but still, it's something. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
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PadrinO
Canada103 Posts
On May 09 2009 13:27 fight_or_flight wrote: I hope everyone agrees that whether a person chooses to take a vaccine or not is their own personal choice. No one should have the right to inject you with anything without your consent. That is the problem. He consented to take any drugs the army see fits injecting him with when he signed his military contract. It's part of the document you sign when you join the army in Canada, somehow I doubt the U.S. has lower standard. It is likely the same deal. | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
http://www.amvets-ca.org/pdfs/RECA/History Of Sometimes Fatal Secret Experimentation On US Citi.pdf (read with a grain of salt) | ||
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J.P_Randall
United States1 Post
To those who want fluoride in their water, great, you can add it yourself but the rest of us should have choice to decide what goes into our bodies, to think otherwise is fascist. I can't even see why this should be made an argument. "The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission." http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Price-of-Too-Much-Fluoride&id=1134567 “We found that exposure to fluoride (F) in urine was associated with reduced Performance, Verbal, and Full IQ scores before and after adjusting for confounder's. The same pattern was observed for models with F in water as the exposure variable.... The individual effect of F in urine indicated that for each mg increase of F in urine a decrease of 1.7 points in Full IQ might be expected.” http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/ “It is hard to believe that any “weight of evidence” analysis could possibly dismiss fluoride’s neurological impacts. There have now been over 40 animal studies which show that fluoride can damage the brain, and no less than 18 studies which show that fluoride lowers IQ in children, and only 2 that don’t. I look forward to reading the full report when it is made available,” says Paul Connett, PhD, FAN Executive Director." http://www.infowars.com/fluorides-impact-on-the-brain/ "An animal study links low levels of fluoride in water to brain damage ... The researchers speculate that fluoride in water may complex with the aluminum in food and enable it to cross the blood-brain barrier. Both treated groups also suffered neural injury and showed increased deposits of ß-amyloid protein in the brain, similar to those seen in humans with Alzheimer's disease." http://www.fluoridealert.org/wsj-isaacson.htm | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On May 09 2009 12:32 Juicyfruit wrote: My point of view on this is: if fluoride was actually a major issue, it would have become a serious problem by now. People have been drinking fluoride water for how many years now? Still, as I said before, it would be nice to have more proper studies studying that quantify the effects of drinking fluoride in water, because at this point it's obvious that there are both pro's and con's, it's just a matter of weighing them out. When they started putting fluoride in the water, they assured everyone it was safe. And after we've been forced to consume it for years, it now seems sufficient to point to the fact that we're all not dead, as the sole proof that it is indeed safe. Retroactive premise? People have a right to abstain from participating in drug research. In my crazy opinion. On May 09 2009 13:13 Frits wrote: why are you being a passive aggressive douche against me anyway, arent you like 40 years old or something, grow the fuck up It actually frightens me to know that he supposedly practices medicine. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
News at eleven. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 09 2009 11:04 Shizuru~ wrote: "The benefits of thimerosol were a breakthrough when they were put to use while the hazards were relatively unknown. Obviously our childhood shots contained thimerosol since they only stopped putting them in vaccines around the late 90's. This is not controversial or some government plot." -Fritz have a look... on fluoride, once again, have a research on ur facts then refutes me with solid arguments back by evidence... Take note, young students in college or those wishing to attend. Research does not mean reading articles in the Journal of the American Medical Association or scouring through JSTOR/Project Muse/ICPSR/etc. It means watching videos on Youtube. Make sure your professors know that! | ||
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