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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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MC9876
Netherlands82 Posts
On March 13 2009 22:41 Zoler wrote: They tried in Sweden as well, was 49% yes 51% no. If alcohol was discovered today it would be banned instantly right? It's impossible to know but someday I think it will happen. 49%, didn't expect that... People need stuff to escape reality once in a while, can be alcohol, cigarettes, extreme sports or videogames. I think banning them, is a bad idea. On-topic. Recently smoking in bars in the Netherlands is banned and a lot of bar and cafe owners still let their customers smoke. There's a lot of discussion wether it's a good idea or not. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32148 Posts
On March 13 2009 22:23 MC9876 wrote: In America they tried banning alcohol al long time ago, not with any succes I believe. So I don't think that'll happen. It gave way to the Al Capones and other gangsters of the world, since there was a ban on something that everyone wanted. You figure we'd learn, but our ridiculous drug policy shows we don't. All it does is just breed criminals and drug lords. Axe the drug laws we have, and the criminal element gets cut in half overnight. Alas, I have digressed. Alcohol will never be banned again. I'd put any amount of money on that. The smoking ban is great. Smokers don't have a right to shit up everyone else's health. And the people who are saying second hand smoke doesn't do anything.... lol At least outdoor smoking allows it to dissipate, making the effects pretty marginal. | ||
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MrBobby
United Kingdom21 Posts
This way no employee is made uncomfortable, and both smokers and non-smokers can choose where they want to eat/drink/socialise. There would have to be a debate on whether new employee's would be able to demand the right to work somewhere even if they were then going to ask for no smoking... but it makes more sense for them to chose somewhere they like to work... if you hate working with meat you don't apply for a job in the butchers and then demand that they stop selling meat so they don't offend you. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
On March 13 2009 20:13 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: it does if your parachute doesnt open and you land on somebody what if you land over another skydiver? | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32148 Posts
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
A ban on smoking in public places is a good thing. Welcome to the civilised world. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
If you don’t want to inhale second hand smoke, and the bar allows smoking, don’t go. The bar can’t force you to go and likewise you shouldn’t be able to force the bar to operate against their wishes. How does that concern all second hand smoke? You don't think people smoke when I am waiting at the bus stop? Or at school when I am walking home there are clouds of people smoking by the exit. Some of my friends' parents smoke, so does that mean I shouldn't go visit my friend anymore? I would say I understand your example of going to the bar but even that doesn't seem fair to me, perhaps make a certain atrea in the bar designated for smoking or something if anything. That's not fair at all to me. Of course I don't care if people want to kill themselves by smoking, it's completely their choice, but the fact they it causes harm to people around them is what gets to me. I would love to have that ban passed where I live. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:28 Zoler wrote: It's a drug and should be banned. I also can't stand the smoke. Caffeine is also a drug. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Yea this and bw are my two addictions tbh  | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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stenole
Norway869 Posts
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Ingenol
United States1328 Posts
I implore you all to stop thinking in concretes ("smoking is bad for you," "I don't smoke anyway") and start looking at the ideals behind the legislation ("you don't control your life/business/etc., the government does"). | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
True you don't get addicted of it that easy like smoking (which has the same level as heroin). | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32148 Posts
On March 14 2009 00:30 Zoler wrote: True you don't get addicted of it that easy like smoking (which has the same level as heroin). Iunno, coffee is a bitch to give up =p I did it for a bit because I started eating breakfast (helps you wake up) but now I'm back to like 2 cups every work day >_< | ||
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Zyrre
Sweden291 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:01 Oystein wrote: Its a damn good argument for making it illegal in public indoor places, I don`t care if people smoke outside (tho in ideal world smokes would be totally banned). And I did not mean it in the sense "oh noes the ozone layer is failing" I meant it in the way that I have to breath the air that smells\tastes like smoke, and as coltrane said, cars serve a purpose, smoking don`t. Like I said in my last post I want to be able to go to a restaurant for lunch and not smell like ashes coming back from it, and luckily where I live I can do that If people choose resturants depending on if they allow smoking or not, some resturants would simply not allow it to get more customers. If that is your problem, there is no problem. No reason for government to step in and not let resturant owners choose for themselves. | ||
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sprawlers
Norway439 Posts
On March 14 2009 00:27 Ingenol wrote: Excellent post. I'm not a smoker but I detest anti-smoking laws. Pragmatism is wide-spread and extremely dangerous, and the basic premise here is that man is not fit to rule his own life and needs a "Big Brother" to keep him from hurting himself. The difference between these laws and a society like 1984 is really only a question of scale, and sadly with the way politics have been shifting over the last many decades that translates to only a matter of time. I implore you all to stop thinking in concretes ("smoking is bad for you," "I don't smoke anyway") and start looking at the ideals behind the legislation ("you don't control your life/business/etc., the government does"). The point is that you are not only hurting yourself but those around you. You are so scared to lose some of your freedom, that you don't realize that its already plenty of restrictions put on you for the good of others. You cant go around beating people up without consequences, that is the government controlling and restricting your life for the good of others, one of the most basic functions of a government. The reason it wasn't implemented long ago is because they didn't know the effects of smoking on your health, or in US's case because they don't use tax-money to help them after they've hurt themselves. | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
On March 14 2009 00:24 Mindcrime wrote: Smoking bans are great, but I think we can do more to protect the people from themselves and further the common good. I think that the governments of the world should demand that all citizens be on healthy diets. After all, hospitals will pass on the cost of the fatties' quadruple bypasses to other patients if they can't pay. Thats a huge violation of personal freedom, it's impossible to monitor and "healthy" food is becoming increasingly more expensive at an alarming rate :O Banning cigarettes does nothing to help the common good and would ruin fucktons of tobacco farmers lives all through the southern states. No government would ever cause blatent job losses. | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
I agree that it's quite possible that somebody started to smoke when he was unconscious, but so he could have started to take drugs or just suicide. It's his problem, I have enough of mine. And, is it that hard generally just to take a walk outside in order to smoke? | ||
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TimmyMac
Canada499 Posts
On March 14 2009 00:48 MiniRoman wrote: Thats a huge violation of personal freedom, it's impossible to monitor and "healthy" food is becoming increasingly more expensive at an alarming rate :O Banning cigarettes does nothing to help the common good and would ruin fucktons of tobacco farmers lives all through the southern states. No government would ever cause blatent job losses. Healthy food isn't becoming more expensive at all... organic and healthy aren't the same thing. | ||
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