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On March 13 2009 20:04 ktp wrote:
Smoking is a very complex issue because smokers could be indirectly hurting others. Its not like smoking can be isloted so that smokers can do it in peace. The smoke goes out in the air its not right if someone else has to breath it in. I've always thought that you should be able to do whatever you want if you don't hurt anyone else. But when its something environmental like smoking, the issue is pretty complex. I still don't know where I stand with this.
Well said. I do think governments should let people do as much as they like, as long it doesn't negatively affect others, at least not too much.
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On March 13 2009 20:50 Zyrre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 20:38 JohnColtrane wrote:
cars serve a purpose, what purpose does smoking serve? I'm not a smoker myself, but obviously people enjoy smoking since they keep doing it. Cars let's people drive, which is more enjoyable then walking.
On March 13 2009 20:54 ZoW wrote:
The purpose of smoking is the nicotine. Nicotine in cigarettes release dopamine from your brain. Dopamine is the chemical your brain releases to tell your body "this feels good". That is why people smoke.
It's a drug and should be banned. I also can't stand the smoke.
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On March 13 2009 20:02 JohnColtrane wrote:
lol fuck smoking
if you want to smoke fine do it in your home, dont do it in a public place that other people are in. cig smoke causes so many damn health problems, i dont care if smokers dont give a shit about their own health but the problem is it affects EVERYONE elses that breaths the smoke. skydiving doesnt have the potential to kill others that arent skydivers, but smoking does.
i wish australia would just ban cigarettes altogether
fine, but ban alcohol also.it's as toxic as cigs.and im not even considering what dmg can people do under the influence of it.
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On March 13 2009 21:37 drug_vict1m wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 20:02 JohnColtrane wrote:
lol fuck smoking
if you want to smoke fine do it in your home, dont do it in a public place that other people are in. cig smoke causes so many damn health problems, i dont care if smokers dont give a shit about their own health but the problem is it affects EVERYONE elses that breaths the smoke. skydiving doesnt have the potential to kill others that arent skydivers, but smoking does.
i wish australia would just ban cigarettes altogether fine, but ban alcohol also.it's as toxic as cigs.and im not even considering what dmg can people do under the influence of it.
It will be banned someday, 100%.
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On March 13 2009 21:28 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 20:50 Zyrre wrote:On March 13 2009 20:38 JohnColtrane wrote:
cars serve a purpose, what purpose does smoking serve? I'm not a smoker myself, but obviously people enjoy smoking since they keep doing it. Cars let's people drive, which is more enjoyable then walking. Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 20:54 ZoW wrote:
The purpose of smoking is the nicotine. Nicotine in cigarettes release dopamine from your brain. Dopamine is the chemical your brain releases to tell your body "this feels good". That is why people smoke. It's a drug and should be banned. I also can't stand the smoke.
No doubt man. Studies show nicotine is more addicting than heroin. Its no joke =\
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On March 13 2009 21:38 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 21:37 drug_vict1m wrote:On March 13 2009 20:02 JohnColtrane wrote:
lol fuck smoking
if you want to smoke fine do it in your home, dont do it in a public place that other people are in. cig smoke causes so many damn health problems, i dont care if smokers dont give a shit about their own health but the problem is it affects EVERYONE elses that breaths the smoke. skydiving doesnt have the potential to kill others that arent skydivers, but smoking does.
i wish australia would just ban cigarettes altogether fine, but ban alcohol also.it's as toxic as cigs.and im not even considering what dmg can people do under the influence of it. It will be banned someday, 100%.
NEVAR
>.<
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On March 13 2009 21:38 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 21:37 drug_vict1m wrote:On March 13 2009 20:02 JohnColtrane wrote:
lol fuck smoking
if you want to smoke fine do it in your home, dont do it in a public place that other people are in. cig smoke causes so many damn health problems, i dont care if smokers dont give a shit about their own health but the problem is it affects EVERYONE elses that breaths the smoke. skydiving doesnt have the potential to kill others that arent skydivers, but smoking does.
i wish australia would just ban cigarettes altogether fine, but ban alcohol also.it's as toxic as cigs.and im not even considering what dmg can people do under the influence of it. It will be banned someday, 100%.
You are joking right?
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In regards to OP's first point - I generally agree - people should be free to be able to do whatever they want, say drinking or smoking. But carrying this point to its logical conclusion, it seems consumption of really hard drugs, like heroin or cocaine, should be legalised as well. Personally I'm not comfortable with that at all. OP's thoughts?
In regards to the second point,
Rights are trump cards, but they are subject to certain restrictions in the interest of public health and safety. The classic example: you have a right to free speech, but you don't have a right to shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre - stampede and all that nasty stuff.
So: you have a right to smoke, but you don't have a right to smoke in a crowded indoor place where everyone has to inhale your smoke.
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I don't think it will ever be completely banned. If anything a number of now illegal drugs will be legalized probably in the not too distant future. It's banned in the entire country here, not on a city by city basis which is good.
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The ban's been around Canada for years now and it has improved the quality of life here.
As everyone else has said: "Welcome to the club."
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I could care less if people smoke or not, the same no-smoking law is in slovenia for some time now, and the only problem i had with smokers is that they were smoking happily in restaurants, where many people were eating.. That pissed me off.. Smoke in a bar, smoke when you go for a coffe, dont care, but dont smoke to my face when i( and many others , including smokers) try to eat food.. He could be tables away, but the bad smell just ruins food and many kids come and eat as well so it was just a bad habit.. They should just ban smoking in the are where food is involved and gg!
Well now they cant smoke anywhere, not bars, not restaurants etc etc.. and its great  , and besides
its about time i can come home and dont need to wash my clothes instantly !
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On March 13 2009 19:52 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote:
I think your arguments about government sponsored instutions (health-care, universities, etc) are dead on. I don't think those government institutions should exist, but if they do I think you have an important point. That is, argument (2) can be utilized (albeit, in an ultimately contradictory manner)
please explain why  it seems like a really weird statement from my point of view
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On March 13 2009 21:40 MeriaDoKk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 21:38 Zoler wrote:On March 13 2009 21:37 drug_vict1m wrote:On March 13 2009 20:02 JohnColtrane wrote:
lol fuck smoking
if you want to smoke fine do it in your home, dont do it in a public place that other people are in. cig smoke causes so many damn health problems, i dont care if smokers dont give a shit about their own health but the problem is it affects EVERYONE elses that breaths the smoke. skydiving doesnt have the potential to kill others that arent skydivers, but smoking does.
i wish australia would just ban cigarettes altogether fine, but ban alcohol also.it's as toxic as cigs.and im not even considering what dmg can people do under the influence of it. It will be banned someday, 100%. You are joking right?
Why do you think so?
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On March 13 2009 22:00 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 21:40 MeriaDoKk wrote:On March 13 2009 21:38 Zoler wrote:On March 13 2009 21:37 drug_vict1m wrote:On March 13 2009 20:02 JohnColtrane wrote:
lol fuck smoking
if you want to smoke fine do it in your home, dont do it in a public place that other people are in. cig smoke causes so many damn health problems, i dont care if smokers dont give a shit about their own health but the problem is it affects EVERYONE elses that breaths the smoke. skydiving doesnt have the potential to kill others that arent skydivers, but smoking does.
i wish australia would just ban cigarettes altogether fine, but ban alcohol also.it's as toxic as cigs.and im not even considering what dmg can people do under the influence of it. It will be banned someday, 100%. You are joking right? Why do you think so?
Because it's a huge money cow. People are addicted to paying ridiculous import taxes. They cover the costs of treating smokers on public healthcare several times over in this country and probably even more in Sweden.
And to add insult to injury smokers get put down waiting lists for treatment over here for smoking related illnesses unless they stop. Sure, the logic is that you can save the lives of 2 non smokers for the price of saving the smoker so you should treat them but when he's already paid for 5 guys to be saved in taxes just for the right to smoke I think you should cut him some slack.
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On March 13 2009 22:15 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 22:00 Zoler wrote:On March 13 2009 21:40 MeriaDoKk wrote:On March 13 2009 21:38 Zoler wrote:On March 13 2009 21:37 drug_vict1m wrote:On March 13 2009 20:02 JohnColtrane wrote:
lol fuck smoking
if you want to smoke fine do it in your home, dont do it in a public place that other people are in. cig smoke causes so many damn health problems, i dont care if smokers dont give a shit about their own health but the problem is it affects EVERYONE elses that breaths the smoke. skydiving doesnt have the potential to kill others that arent skydivers, but smoking does.
i wish australia would just ban cigarettes altogether fine, but ban alcohol also.it's as toxic as cigs.and im not even considering what dmg can people do under the influence of it. It will be banned someday, 100%. You are joking right? Why do you think so? Because it's a huge money cow. People are addicted to paying ridiculous import taxes. They cover the costs of treating smokers on public healthcare several times over in this country and probably even more in Sweden. And to add insult to injury smokers get put down waiting lists for treatment over here for smoking related illnesses unless they stop. Sure, the logic is that you can save the lives of 2 non smokers for the price of saving the smoker so you should treat them but when he's already paid for 5 guys to be saved in taxes just for the right to smoke I think you should cut him some slack.
Smoking wtf? I said alcohol will be banned someday.... 
But I'm sure smoking will be banned someday too, I have no idea when but 100-200 years maybe?
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explaining why those government institutions shouldnt exists is not for this thread, but it is really interesting issue - if the government should control hospitals, schools and all other stuff. there are many theories about this and i would like to hear ppl opinion and how is it solved in other countries (in poland we have public health care, schools and many others public institutions, I think some of them are good and useful but I know that in the west it isnt like this - thats cus of our specific history^^)
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Smoking wtf? I said alcohol will be banned someday.... But I'm sure smoking will be banned someday too, I have no idea when but 100-200 years maybe?
In America they tried banning alcohol al long time ago, not with any succes I believe. So I don't think that'll happen.
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On March 13 2009 22:18 koziol wrote:
explaining why those government institutions shouldnt exists is not for this thread, but it is really interesting issue - if the government should control hospitals, schools and all other stuff. there are many theories about this and i would like to hear ppl opinion and how is it solved in other countries (in poland we have public health care, schools and many others public institutions, I think some of them are good and useful but I know that in the west it isnt like this - thats cus of our specific history^^)
yea i know its offtopic but i didnt feel that creating a thread for just that question was necessary
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Hey Zoler.
They tried to ban alcohol in US, look what happened.
Drunk lyfe forevar!
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On March 13 2009 22:23 MC9876 wrote:Show nested quote +Smoking wtf? I said alcohol will be banned someday.... But I'm sure smoking will be banned someday too, I have no idea when but 100-200 years maybe? In America they tried banning alcohol al long time ago, not with any succes I believe. So I don't think that'll happen.
They tried in Sweden as well, was 49% yes 51% no. If alcohol was discovered today it would be banned instantly right? It's impossible to know but someday I think it will happen.
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