February 18, 2009 Woman Mauled by Chimp Is Still in Critical Condition By ANDY NEWMAN and ANAHAD O’CONNOR
A 55-year-old woman who was mauled by a 200-pound pet chimpanzee in Connecticut remained listed in critical condition on Tuesday, as police officials investigated whether illness might have changed the animal’s behavior.
Charla Nash, a friend of the chimpanzee’s owner, was viciously attacked in Stamford on Monday — with much of her face torn away — when she stepped out of her car at her friend’s house. The male chimpanzee, Travis, was eventually shot dead by officers, and Ms. Nash was taken to Stamford Hospital, where she remained on Tuesday.
In an interview, Capt. Richard Conklin of the Stamford Police said that Travis, 14, was believed to have Lyme disease, a tick-borne bacterial infection that in rare cases has been linked to psychosis, severe anxiety and delusional behavior. Travis had been in an agitated state most of the day Monday, and at one point his owner took the unusual step of giving him tea laced with Xanax in an attempt to calm him down, Capt. Conklin said.
“We’re trying to see if that factored into this,” he said of the Lyme disease.
Other than medication he might have been taking for the disease, Travis was not on any drugs and was not usually given Xanax, he added.
Despite their appearances, chimpanzees are known to possess astonishing power, with the average adult male having four to five times the upper-body strength of an adult human. As pets, they can be extremely difficult. They typically act aggressively toward their owners when they reach adulthood, and once reared by humans, they cannot be re-introduced into the wild because other chimpanzees will reject them, experts say.
The injuries Travis inflicted on Ms. Nash, whom he had known for years, were called horrendous.
“I’ve been doing this a long time and have never seen anything this dramatic on a living patient,” said Capt. Bill Ackley of Stamford Emergency Medical Service and the head of the paramedic crew that treated Ms. Nash..
The attack, in the driveway of a sprawling home in a densely wooded neighborhood on the north side of Stamford, marked a brutal end for Travis, a popular figure in town who had appeared in television commercials and often posed for photographs at the towing shop operated by his owners. He had escaped before, and in 2003 playfully held up traffic at a busy intersection for several hours, But he had no history of violence, the authorities said. Travis’s social skills included drinking wine from a stemmed glass, dressing and bathing himself and using a computer.
Travis’s owner, Sandra Herold, 70, had raised him almost as one of her own children, but found herself lunging at him with a butcher knife on Monday to protect Ms. Nash, said Capt. Conklin, who gave the following account.
Ms. Herold told detectives that Travis was in a rambunctious mood Monday afternoon. He took her keys from the kitchen table, unlocked a door and let himself out into the yard at 241 Rock Rimmon Road.
“He’s going to different cars and tapping on them, trying the doors, a clear indication he wanted to go for a ride,” Captain Conklin said.
Travis would not be lured back into the house, even after Ms. Herold gave him the Xanax-laced tea. Ms. Herold called Ms. Nash, who drove over, but when she stepped out of her car at around 3:40 p.m., Travis went at her full force. While it was not clear what prompted the assault, Ms. Nash had markedly changed her hairstyle since the last time Travis had seen her, possibly leading him to mistake her for an intruder.
Ms. Herold tried to pull Travis off her friend, but, Captain Conklin noted, “Sandra is 70 years old, and a 200-pound chimpanzee is much, much stronger than a 200-pound human being.”
Ms. Herold called 911, grabbed a knife and stabbed Travis several times, to little avail. When emergency service vehicles pulled up, Travis fled, leaving Ms. Nash face down in the driveway.
One team of officers combed the woods for Travis, while another formed a protective cordon around the paramedics ministering to Ms. Nash, who Captain Ackley said also suffered multiple broken bones.
After a while, Captain Conklin said, Travis returned and “went after the officers.” He knocked a mirror off the passenger’s side of a police cruiser with one swing of his arm, then ran around to the driver’s side, opened the door and attacked the officer in the driver’s seat.
“He’s trapped in his car,” Captain Conklin said. “He has nowhere to go. So he pulls his sidearm and shoots the chimp several times in close proximity.” Travis then disappeared into the woods.
The officer, whose name was not released, was treated for trauma. Ms. Herold was not seriously injured but was hospitalized.
Eventually officers picked up a blood trail, which they followed back to the house. There they found Travis in his living quarters, a caged-in area with a bed and other furnishings of comfortable captivity. He was dead.
Captain Conklin said that charges against Ms. Herold were unlikely.
“We’ll certainly speak to the experts and the prosecutors,” he said, “but we truly hope that there are no charges. It’s a modern-day tragedy.”
Her 911 call. It's pretty disturbing, so watch at your own risk.
So TL is known for it's fucked up news stories in general sometimes, and this is no exception. I understand the woman has an attachment to the chimp and all that, but you have to understand it is still a wild animal. And from what I've been reading chimps have the strength of around 5 grown men. That's just asking for something bad to happen. Also, at first she claimed she gave her chimp some kind of drug called Xanax, but later on denies it. Oh, and the woman who was attacked is still alive, but lost her face and hands.
also.. something I'd like to ask: How do people from animal right organizations react to this? Would they side with the chimp and say the ladies deserved it or side with the ladies to say the chimp was wrong?
There' s nothing wrong with news... and this is pretty big in the U.S. On the surface it's just horrifying but it has the potential to spark a discussion about laws concerning exotic pets or whatever other random shit TL can come up with.
In the end TL is:
1. a starcraft site 2. a community site
You can't have a community that is:
a. always discussing SC b. when not discussing SC, very serious about social-political-philosophical issues.
On February 20 2009 13:18 Hippopotamus wrote: There' s nothing wrong with news... and this is pretty big in the U.S. On the surface it's just horrifying but it has the potential to spark a discussion about laws concerning exotic pets or whatever other random shit TL can come up with.
In the end TL is:
1. a starcraft site 2. a community site
You can't have a community that is:
a. always discussing SC b. when not discussing SC, very serious about social-political-philosophical issues.
I think the problem is that the only news that is ever posted is really fucked up stories and they are posted all the time. There are a million replies that say "wow that's crazy" or "society is to blame" and there's a little shit talking and it disappears. Serious discussion doesn't play a role.
Yeah, when I first heard of that cartoon I thought it was just some over-sensitive people whining. I figured, they're probably just very insecure since George Bush got compared to an ape his entire presidency: his resemblance to a chimp was the butt of many jokes and picture series. But then I saw the strip, and it's just not funny. Other than that the chimp was a big news item, it has nothing at all to do with Obama, hardly represents anything important, it's just a chimp. That and the conservative source of this cartoon leads me to believe that this probably did have some kind of racist motive or that Rupert Murdoch hires talentless fucks. I think the success of Fox news pretty much rules out the latter though.
Yeah, when I first heard of that cartoon I thought it was just some over-sensitive people whining. I figured, they're probably just very insecure since George Bush got compared to an ape his entire presidency: his resemblance to a chimp was the butt of many jokes and picture series. But then I saw the strip, and it's just not funny. Other than that the chimp was a big news item, it has nothing at all to do with Obama, hardly represents anything important, it's just a chimp. That and the conservative source of this cartoon leads me to believe that this probably did have some kind of racist motive or that Rupert Murdoch hires talentless fucks. I think the success of Fox news pretty much rules out the latter though.
here are the reasons people thought it was racist:
a) this was the page opposite the cartoon that associated obama with the bill
I am so so so sorry for this poor woman who had to go through this ordeal and her friend that suffered horrendous injuries. I heard the call and I could hear the chimp going nuts in the background. That is one disturbed animal. Chances are he probably didn't recognise the woman who stepped out of the car. The excitement she showed for her friend may have been mistaken for a malicious move and the chimp attacked to protect HIS friend (the owner).
It's a simple matter of miscommunication. This is why animals belong in the wild. We are not physically powerful enough to control them. Without our brains we would have been extinct long time ago.
Lol i heard about this in class yesterday when a the sub told our class
Ehh I think TL has a lot more potential with criticism on political shit than many other communities so I don't really mind people posting useless retarded news.
if it weren't nytimes, i would call this load of bs. how the hell you get a chimpanzee as a pet? your a cop; how the fuck you let a monkey get into your car? this story is outrageous.
that is just sick just fucking sick.What the hell was she thinking ?She knew a disaster was bound to happen and she fucking 70years old get a fucking clue.I feel so sorry for her friend.Probably had her face mangled to shreds
On February 20 2009 14:41 Ideas wrote: I thought his was going to be about Oov
I must be missing some reference here... but if I'm not, this is satire about an annoying trend where people come into a thread with a possibly misleading title and offer nothing except what they were confused about.... if so then I fully approve! That was the runner up for my blog material tbh.
hm just imagine if you were on that situation and the woman was your mother or sister, what would you do? a headlock to the monkey / kick straight to the face? keep in mind a monkey has as someone stated 5x the force of an adult male, got me thinking
amazing that the woman lives with that kind of damage.
Pretty messed up.
I wonder how chimpanzees strength compares to other primates. It also brings up the question as to why we arent as strong as them(obviously with intelligence it probably wasnt necessary...but youd think it could still have occurred)
On February 20 2009 14:41 Ideas wrote: I thought his was going to be about Oov
I must be missing some reference here... but if I'm not, this is satire about an annoying trend where people come into a thread with a possibly misleading title and offer nothing except what they were confused about.... if so then I fully approve! That was the runner up for my blog material tbh.
On February 20 2009 14:44 Sadist wrote: amazing that the woman lives with that kind of damage.
Pretty messed up.
I wonder how chimpanzees strength compares to other primates. It also brings up the question as to why we arent as strong as them(obviously with intelligence it probably wasnt necessary...but youd think it could still have occurred)
I think our predecessor were much stronger then us, but I don't know how they compared specifically to chimps. It's an interesting question as to exactly why one party would be stronger than the other.
On February 20 2009 14:44 Sadist wrote: amazing that the woman lives with that kind of damage.
Pretty messed up.
I wonder how chimpanzees strength compares to other primates. It also brings up the question as to why we arent as strong as them(obviously with intelligence it probably wasnt necessary...but youd think it could still have occurred)
Because in biological terms our brain saps so much energy we can't afford to have the necessary muscle mass to be as strong as apes. That and chimps are hanging around in trees giving them ridiculous upper body strength whereas our ancestors stopped living in trees millions of years ago. There's tons of other reasons, but those are just a few major ones.
Thousands of years ago, our ancestors had hawks eyes which adapted to seeing far, far more than the average person can see today. Nowadays, electronics and technology have both boosted, and hindered, the human evolution.
On February 20 2009 15:07 Flamboyant wrote: Thousands of years ago, our ancestors had hawks eyes which adapted to seeing far, far more than the average person can see today. Nowadays, electronics and technology have both boosted, and hindered, the human evolution.
Im calling bullshit on this one. How many thousands of years? =-)
If you compare the bone structure of modern humans and humans from 100,000 years ago, I'm sure that you'll find that structurally, we have not changed much. In fact, the majority of human evolution in recent times has been on the microscopic level, since in agricultural societies it is disease immunity that is selected for above all.
On February 20 2009 15:07 Flamboyant wrote: Thousands of years ago, our ancestors had hawks eyes which adapted to seeing far, far more than the average person can see today. Nowadays, electronics and technology have both boosted, and hindered, the human evolution.
My ancestors had ultrasonic bat hearing too and could spit fire, unfortunately the development of technology hindered my evolution and I can't do that stuff.
On February 20 2009 15:07 Flamboyant wrote: Thousands of years ago, our ancestors had hawks eyes which adapted to seeing far, far more than the average person can see today. Nowadays, electronics and technology have both boosted, and hindered, the human evolution.
Im calling bullshit on this one. How many thousands of years? =-)
back when we were still reptiles that flew in the air.
Goddamn, I just did a bit of reading on them, and Chimpanzee attacks sound like just about some of the worst maulings that I can imagine. They're known to not just strike with their arms and hands, but they will gnaw off your face, and try to bite/tear off your appendages or genitals ... seriously I think this would have to be the last large animal I would want attacking me. Like imagine some of the most painful/excruciating things that could happen to someone, and that's what a chimp can do if properly pissed off.
^yah, chimps have the strangest attack patterns i've ever seen in wild animals. Tigers and elephants will attack with the intent of killing you as quickly and efficiently as possible, but chimps will do wacky shit like bite off your hands and feet and tear off your testies.
On February 20 2009 15:45 gg_hertzz wrote: ^yah, chimps have the strangest attack patterns i've ever seen in wild animals. Tigers and elephants will attack with the intent of killing you as quickly and efficiently as possible, but chimps will do wacky shit like bite off your hands and feet and tear off your testies.
On February 20 2009 16:03 CharlieMurphy wrote: lol that 911 operator is a fucking moron. Plz fire him.
What did he do wrong? Did he not get the police and paramedics there in time to save the woman's life (at least for the time being)? Just because he was somewhat caught off guard by what is understandably far from the normal 911 call doesn't mean he should lose his job.
Seriously, I don't know why every time a 911 call is in the press people call for the operators to lose their jobs. The guy did his job, he's trained to ask as many questions as possible to get as much information on the situation, and he did his best to keep her calm.
On February 20 2009 16:03 CharlieMurphy wrote: lol that 911 operator is a fucking moron. Plz fire him.
What did he do wrong? Did he not get the police and paramedics there in time to save the woman's life (at least for the time being)? Just because he was somewhat caught off guard by what is understandably far from the normal 911 call doesn't mean he should lose his job.
Seriously, I don't know why every time a 911 call is in the press people call for the operators to lose their jobs. The guy did his job, he's trained to ask as many questions as possible to get as much information on the situation, and he did his best to keep her calm.
Because the woman was clearly saying everything and he was just like" what", "who", "what's going on", "who's got a gun", etc. She must've said it like 10 times before he finally got it. People die fast you know and he wasted 45 seconds just trying to understand her. His first language is clearly not english and he obviously doesn't understand 'chimp' and hear the monkey screaming. Like put 2 and 2 together guy, seriously.
If a hysterical woman called you and said she was being attacked by her chimpanzee, would you automatically take her word for it or try and delve deeper into what she's talking about? You have no idea what his first language is, and no one expects to hear a fucking chimp in Connecticut.
On February 20 2009 16:35 Jibba wrote: If a hysterical woman called you and said she was being attacked by her chimpanzee, would you automatically take her word for it or try and delve deeper into what she's talking about? You have no idea what his first language is, and no one expects to hear a fucking chimp in Connecticut.
Just to add to this, it is the operators responsibility to have enough information to relay to police, so that police can get into and out of the situation easily. They cannot just get an address and tell cops to go without getting an assessement of the situation.
Understand all this, but you can hear the chimp screaming in the background the whole time, and he is completely oblivious. The guy obviously has an accent, you don't just pick up accents like that if your not from some kind of latin speaking heritage. And it's not like he was trying to get specifics about the chimp (he didn't even get into that until half way through the call). It was just the basic; a chimp is killing my friend, send police with a gun.
On February 20 2009 16:03 CharlieMurphy wrote: lol that 911 operator is a fucking moron. Plz fire him.
What did he do wrong? Did he not get the police and paramedics there in time to save the woman's life (at least for the time being)? Just because he was somewhat caught off guard by what is understandably far from the normal 911 call doesn't mean he should lose his job.
Seriously, I don't know why every time a 911 call is in the press people call for the operators to lose their jobs. The guy did his job, he's trained to ask as many questions as possible to get as much information on the situation, and he did his best to keep her calm.
Because the woman was clearly saying everything and he was just like" what", "who", "what's going on", "who's got a gun", etc. She must've said it like 10 times before he finally got it. People die fast you know and he wasted 45 seconds just trying to understand her. His first language is clearly not english and he obviously doesn't understand 'chimp' and hear the monkey screaming. Like put 2 and 2 together guy, seriously.
Maybe you don't understand this: It's his job to continue to ask questions and keep the person on the other side of the phone right there and talking to him until the authorities get there to help. When she asked if assistance was on the way he said it was already en route. When someone's life is in the balance, 911 operators are automatically targeted as "not being fast enough," when 95% of the time everything they did was textbook.
And honestly if you think you can determine what someone's primary language is from a 4 minute sound clip where they're trying to deal with a frantic woman on the other end of the line, you better be a professional in linguistics, because I'll tell you something: in these kinds of situations almost everyone is going to stammer once, or continue to ask questions to get a clearer sense of the situation when the woman is mentioning things like chimps and guns in the same breathe.
On February 20 2009 16:43 CharlieMurphy wrote: Understand all this, but you can hear the chimp screaming in the background the whole time, and he is completely oblivious. The guy obviously has an accent, you don't just pick up accents like that if your not from some kind of latin speaking heritage. And it's not like he was trying to get specifics about the chimp (he didn't even get into that until half way through the call). It was just the basic; a chimp is killing my friend, send police with a gun.
What the hell more does he need to ask about the chimp? "I'm sorry ma'am but about how tall is your chimpanzee?" "Can you describe what he looks like to me?"
It's a chimpanzee - it's not like there are 10 other chimps in the area that they need to make sure that they don't shoot or something.
I agree the operator was really stupid. I thought he was fucking with her at first, then I realized he was just slow and poor english. "What? Who has a gun?" **LOUD INSANE CHIMP SOUNDS**
Here is a 46 second transcript I just wrote for you all to understand what I mean. Just read this, without thinking of the audio. Doesn't the guy sound like a fucking moron?
OP:Stamford 911, wereres ur emergency?
Woman: name, address, (chimp screaming in backrgound)... OP: what's the problem? (chimp screaming louder in backrgound) Woman: send the police. (chimp screaming even louder in backrgound) OP: What's the problem there?! (chimp screaming ) Woman: the, the, the chimp killed my friend! OP: What's the problem with your friend? (chimp screaming ) Woman: help, please! (chimp screaming ) OP: what's the problem with yer friend!? I NEED TO KNOW! (chimp screaming ) Woman: send the police out! With a gun! with a gun! Hurry up! OP: Who hasssss a gun? Woman: Please hurry up, he's killing my girlfriend! OP: What es te problem? Woman: He's killing my friend! OP: WHO'S KILLIN YOUR FRIEND? WOMAN: MY CHIMP, MY CHIMPANZEE OP: Oh, your chimpansee es killin ur friend? WOMAN: He ripped her apart, hurry up! (op in background radioing message finally) OP: There is someone on the way.
now go back and listen again.
PS- Every fuckin school kid knows what a damned monkey sounds like.
This is STAMFORD, CONNECTICUT. Do you honestly think anyone is going to hear that sound in the background and automatically think "Oh, there is a chimpanzee attacking someone!" You realize the likelyhood of these things? I guarantee you 99% of the time, regardless of who was on the phone with the woman, they would not have made that conclusion the first time she said "chimp."
I dont agree, the operator was good, pro even. he was calm and tryed to find out facts so the police would know what they were facing. its not like chimp attacks is everyday shit.. and some questions is just asked for here to answer so she stays with him and doesent do something stupid in panic.
All I'm saying is if it was me on the other line I would have been automatically like "wtf, is that a fucking monkey in the background?" as soon as the woman said 'killing' and 'chimp' I would have understood what was going on.
On February 20 2009 16:53 CharlieMurphy wrote: Here is a 46 second transcript I just wrote for you all to understand what I mean. Just read this, without thinking of the audio. Doesn't the guy sound like a fucking moron?
OP:Stamford 911, wereres ur emergency?
Woman: name, address, (chimp screaming in backrgound)... OP: what's the problem? (chimp screaming louder in backrgound) Woman: send the police. (chimp screaming even louder in backrgound) OP: What's the problem there?! (chimp screaming ) Woman: the, the, the chimp killed my friend! OP: What's the problem with your friend? (chimp screaming ) Woman: help, please! (chimp screaming ) OP: what's the problem with yer friend!? I NEED TO KNOW! (chimp screaming ) Woman: send the police out! With a gun! with a gun! Hurry up! OP: Who hasssss a gun? Woman: Please hurry up, he's killing my girlfriend! OP: What es te problem? Woman: He's killing my friend! OP: WHO'S KILLIN YOUR FRIEND? WOMAN: MY CHIMP, MY CHIMPANZEE OP: Oh, your chimpansee es killin ur friend? WOMAN: He ripped her apart, hurry up! (op in background radioing message finally) OP: There is someone on the way.
now go back and listen again.
PS- Every fuckin school kid knows what a damned monkey sounds like.
Yeah I couldn't believe how inept that fucking operator was. The screaming monkey noises in the background are easily recognized by anyone 5+ years old. They were loud and repeated, backdropping the woman's desperate, but coherent, explanation of the situation.
I would have asked for a native English speaker right away.
Oh and he waited like a whole minute before, "oh btw, someone is on the way". MORAN
Flat out, anyone who think this operator handled this situation any way short of superbly does not know what they are talking about. I have a family member who has been the manager of a regional 911 center for 7 years now, and when your dad has that kind of a job you find it hard not to ask questions (as a lot of times I heard about some incident on the news, and it happened in our area, my dad can tell me much more about what happened). I can assure you everything this guy did was 100% by the books.
On February 20 2009 17:10 p4NDemik wrote: Flat out, anyone who think this operator handled this situation any way short of superbly does not know what they are talking about. I have a family member who has been the manager of a regional 911 center for 7 years now, and when your dad has that kind of a job you find it hard not to ask questions (as a lot of times I heard about some incident on the news, and it happened in our area, my dad can tell me much more about what happened). I can assure you everything this guy did was 100% by the books.
Woman: send the police out! With a gun! with a gun! Hurry up! Monkey: EEEIIIIAAAHHHh!!!!!! OP: Who hasssss a gun?
In which chapter of "the book" is there a directive to be an incomprehensible idiot?
I believe he followed the procedure he's supposed to, as in he didn't put the phone down and hide in a closet, he's stupid because he took so long to understand. He followed the book but very very slowly.
Put 99% of the population in the same extraordinary position as that 911 operator and you would have made the same "mistakes" that you think he made. Problem with your perspective is that you first listened to the clip knowing it was about this chimpanzee attack. Going into that with completely no knowledge of what the situation was, the operator did about as good as you could ask any person to do.
On February 20 2009 17:23 p4NDemik wrote: Put 99% of the population in the same extraordinary position as that 911 operator and you would have made the same "mistakes" that you think he made. Problem with your perspective is that you first listened to the clip knowing it was about this chimpanzee attack. Going into that with completely no knowledge of what the situation was, the operator did about as good as you could ask any person to do.
Guy has a point in that the operator was notoriously slow in "Getting it" You cant fake that sort of hysteria anyway. I work in a clinic and you can really tell when someone has a serious problem and when they have just a cold by the way they act.
most of the 911 operators are dumbasses.. most of the replay of 911 calls i heard operators are being emo and dumbasses and delay in sending help.
example scenario
victim: HELP IM BEING ATTACK BY DOG! 911 operator: what dog? victim: HELP !!! IM BEING MAULED BY MY DOG! 911 operator: calm down lady , we need to know what is happening there pls calm down victim: HELPPPP IM DYING!!! 911 operator: did a dog really attacked you? is that your own dog? r u injured? victim:HELP!!! PLS HELP SEND HELP!! MY DOG IS ATACKING ME! 911: lady, we cant help you if you dont calm down. please calm down and tell me exactly whats going on.
after long long long ass time asking shit questions 911: ok we sending police.
ya this is typical 911 calls i heard . those operators are dumbasses
i mean, they should be smart enough to know a lady's distress call right?
It's funny how you guys think you would have handled that situation differently as the OP. I would have called bullshit on that one and hung up. "A chimpanzee is attacking you, yeah right. The police is coming your way and is bringing an elephant to fight it. Hold on."
its funnier the operator couldn't send help first then ask questions later? every second counts when someone is in that situation. imagine u r the victim. u r helpless and want help as fast as possible and those operators and delaying. wtf?
On February 20 2009 22:21 KingofHearts wrote: its funnier the operator couldn't send help first then ask questions later? every second counts when someone is in that situation. imagine u r the victim. u r helpless and want help as fast as possible and those operators and delaying. wtf?
The operator needs to make sure the officers have enough information to be able to handle that situation before sending them out. The safety of the officers is as important as the victim's.
Someone would post this stupid ass news. So fuckin stupid I hear it enough on the radio/newspaper/websites that it has to come along tl.net to be read as well. I won't say that they deserved this but its a fuckin exotic animal and to top it off they were feeding it xanax and heaven knows what else.
Oh and how ridiculous of them to come back later and say that they didn't feed it xanax is even more stupid of them.
On February 20 2009 14:44 Sadist wrote: amazing that the woman lives with that kind of damage.
Pretty messed up.
I wonder how chimpanzees strength compares to other primates. It also brings up the question as to why we arent as strong as them(obviously with intelligence it probably wasnt necessary...but youd think it could still have occurred)
Some answers I find probable:
Complete dedication to bipedality played a huge role in this. Great Apes have more than 50 % of their muscles in their upper body, while we humans have all our strength in our legs. Also with the invention of basic weapons huge strength wasn´t needed anymore, precision in the use and creation of tools was preferable, too many muscles could even be counterproductive, who knows. A man who can handle a spear well can kill a chimpanzee despite all their strength.
"Eventually officers picked up a blood trail, which they followed back to the house. There they found Travis in his living quarters, a caged-in area with a bed and other furnishings of comfortable captivity. He was dead"
AND
In an interview, Capt. Richard Conklin of the Stamford Police said that Travis, 14, was believed to have Lyme disease, a tick-borne bacterial infection that in rare cases has been linked to psychosis, severe anxiety and delusional behavior.
....so... does it seem that the news is biased towards the chimp having a psychological issue/disorder rather than natural animal instincts? I think animal rights has a hand in this news broadcast... they're shaking in their boots. i mean, really. "He was dead" seriously? i felt really bad at first, picturing the "innocent-natural-helpless-animal" in its "furnishings of comfortable captivity"... but it just doesn't seem right. I wanna hear more about the ladies face and how bad it was.
So some articles are saying that she has lost her eyes, jaw, and the majority of her face. And others are reporting that her hands have been ripped off.
On February 20 2009 23:27 Sadist wrote: honestly a 70 year old woman shouldnt have a 200lb chimp.
Sorry.
200lb chimp has got to be fucking enormous
I always used to think to myself "wow wtf a chimp? just fucking deck it in the face a couple good times, maybe put it in the headlock" but when you think about 200 lbs + having MUCH higher power of upper body, anyone would get messed up.
how fucking strong is a chimp anyway? fuck i dont think a 300 lbs NFL linemen could rip a person jaw off with there bare hands. I knew monkeys are stronger then humans but damn wtf that monkey bench like 700 lbs?
On February 21 2009 00:42 QuoC wrote: "Eventually officers picked up a blood trail, which they followed back to the house. There they found Travis in his living quarters, a caged-in area with a bed and other furnishings of comfortable captivity. He was dead"
AND
In an interview, Capt. Richard Conklin of the Stamford Police said that Travis, 14, was believed to have Lyme disease, a tick-borne bacterial infection that in rare cases has been linked to psychosis, severe anxiety and delusional behavior.
....so... does it seem that the news is biased towards the chimp having a psychological issue/disorder rather than natural animal instincts? I think animal rights has a hand in this news broadcast... they're shaking in their boots. i mean, really. "He was dead" seriously? i felt really bad at first, picturing the "innocent-natural-helpless-animal" in its "furnishings of comfortable captivity"... but it just doesn't seem right. I wanna hear more about the ladies face and how bad it was.
PETA is lame as fuck.
I hate how theres this whole big deal about Michael Vick coming back to play football because people are scared of PETA. Yet someone could come back from sexual assault or manslaughter or something and it would pretty much be a non issue.
chimps are freaking vicious mofo's in the wild. They basically have gang wars where in battle they rip eachother's balls, face, and hands off....then they eat their dead enemies. I don't know why the hell people decided the baby ones were cute.
edit: bas rutten is the shit. "BAM YOU WILL NEVEERR DO THIIIS AGAAIIN!"
On February 21 2009 01:01 InToTheWannaB wrote: how fucking strong is a chimp anyway? fuck i dont think a 300 lbs NFL linemen could rip a person jaw off with there bare hands. I knew monkeys are stronger then humans but damn wtf that monkey bench like 700 lbs?
a chimp isn't a monkey i don't think? i believe they are classified under apes but i could be wrong. Monkeys are usually smaller and have tails.
anyway, humans are so weak compared to wild animals of similar size. just thought i'd throw that out there.
On February 20 2009 17:36 Jibba wrote: Given the almost psychopathic manner in which chimps try to mutilate and torture their victims, what does it say about human being's behavior? :/
On February 20 2009 17:36 Jibba wrote: Given the almost psychopathic manner in which chimps try to mutilate and torture their victims, what does it say about human being's behavior? :/
This is probably why chimpanzees are not mainstream pets.
It's also probably why zoos carry TRANQUILIZERS guys. Come on.
Lions can be quite amiable with their trainers, but does this mean its safe for your average person to own a pet lion? OBviously not. Chimpanzees are well known for their strength and aggression - this was an accident waiting to happen.
And she fed the chimpanzee tea with WHAT? It's very sad that this happened, but jesus christ what is wrong with people.
Edit: Actually not all zoos carry tranquilizers apparently. I remember an incident in which a guy was harassing a tiger at a zoo, throwing things at him and so forth. The tiger was understandably miffed and took care of the problem. Police had to shoot the tiger - what the hell? You deal with some of the most dangerous creatures on the planet on a regular basis and you don't have any tranq guns or anything?
"What happens when people decide they can't live with a chimpanzee pet any longer? There are chimpanzee sanctuaries. If you want to put a chimp in a sanctuary, I would think you would have to come with a lot of money—it's pretty much for lifelong maintenance. A chimp can live for about 50 years, and 10 is usually the age when people don't want them any more. So that's 40 years of care."
On February 21 2009 03:37 ilj.psa wrote: i wonder if i could kill one of those with fuckers a headlock
I was actually wondering the same thing since I've been training in jiu jistu and wrestling for a while now buti after some thought I realized this would be impossible. A chimp would most likely bite the fuck out of my forearm or bicep if I tried to get it in a rear naked choke. Maybe all of the adrenaline would make it possible but I'm really not confident that I'd be able to do much of anything.
dunno , if you supposedly had him in a headlock, i don't see how he would be able to bite you since your arm would be below his chin and his face wouldn't be able to move at all, he would be trapped. Maybe he'd still be able to punch you in the face/back tho
This is such a sad story. If you read the whole article, apparently the chimp was a famous performer, behaving almost as if he was human. To add to this, on the day of the incident, he took the house keys and unlocked the door to let himself out.
With this background, it's not just a random chimp that mauled someone. It's more like seeing a person go crazy/delusional and attack his friends with a knife.
Chimpanzees are no Gorillas , they may have 5x the strengh of a male, but when you have him in a headlock its a matter of resistance and time till he eventually dies. there are lots of stories about people in perilous situations who suddenly have super-human strength when Adrenaline kicks in, your state of mind changes completely , you wouldn't even notice you broke your bones till after all ends. they lift cars, giant boulders to rescue themselves or other people.
On February 21 2009 04:43 ilj.psa wrote: I'll take the risk of sounding ignorant.
Chimpanzees are no Gorillas , they may have 5x the strengh of a male, but when you have him in a headlock its a matter of resistance and time till he eventually dies. there are lots of stories about people in perilous situations who suddenly have super-human strength when Adrenaline kicks in, your state of mind changes completely , you wouldn't even notice you broke your bones till after all ends. they lift cars, giant boulders to rescue themselves or other people.
that is true a guy on my HS football team broke his tiba in the leg and played the whole damn game on it. Its crazy what you can do when your pumped up on adrenaline and red bull
The 5x strenght is misleading, that is prensile strenght only.
For example a chimpancee cannot benchpress 500% what a human can, actually a trained fighter could beat a chimpancee if the chimpancee had its mouth restrained, not in force obv but we are much more efficient fighters and he could probably knock the chimp out.
On February 21 2009 04:43 ilj.psa wrote: I'll take the risk of sounding ignorant.
Chimpanzees are no Gorillas , they may have 5x the strengh of a male, but when you have him in a headlock its a matter of resistance and time till he eventually dies. there are lots of stories about people in perilous situations who suddenly have super-human strength when Adrenaline kicks in, your state of mind changes completely , you wouldn't even notice you broke your bones till after all ends. they lift cars, giant boulders to rescue themselves or other people.
True, but how do you know chimpanzees don't have an extra adrenaline kick in as well? Just in normal activity, their arm strength is 5x stronger than an equivalent fit human male. I think their bones are a lot more dense as well. One inadvertent elbows/fist to any point on your body could cause serious injury.
On February 21 2009 05:14 baal wrote: The 5x strenght is misleading, that is prensile strenght only.
For example a chimpancee cannot benchpress 500% what a human can, actually a trained fighter could beat a chimpancee if the chimpancee had its mouth restrained, not in force obv but we are much more efficient fighters and he could probably knock the chimp out.
"An experiment conducted in the Bronx Zoo in 1924 compared the strength of a 165-pound adult man, and a 165-pound male chimp named "Boma", and a 135-pound female chimp named "Suzette". They compared how much weight the human could pull with one arm to that of the apes, the adult man managed to pull 200 pound before reaching his maximum. The male chimp, on the other hand, pulled 847 pounds of weight with one arm, and the female chimpanzee 1,260 pounds."
On February 21 2009 04:43 ilj.psa wrote: I'll take the risk of sounding ignorant.
Chimpanzees are no Gorillas , they may have 5x the strengh of a male, but when you have him in a headlock its a matter of resistance and time till he eventually dies. there are lots of stories about people in perilous situations who suddenly have super-human strength when Adrenaline kicks in, your state of mind changes completely , you wouldn't even notice you broke your bones till after all ends. they lift cars, giant boulders to rescue themselves or other people.
True, but how do you know chimpanzees don't have an extra adrenaline kick in as well? Just in normal activity, their arm strength is 5x stronger than an equivalent fit human male. I think their bones are a lot more dense as well. One inadvertent elbows/fist to any point on your body could cause serious injury.
On February 21 2009 05:14 baal wrote: The 5x strenght is misleading, that is prensile strenght only.
For example a chimpancee cannot benchpress 500% what a human can, actually a trained fighter could beat a chimpancee if the chimpancee had its mouth restrained, not in force obv but we are much more efficient fighters and he could probably knock the chimp out.
That's friggin mind blowing. I guess it makes sense. Climbing trees takes enough arm strength, but flinging yourself from branch to branch is a whole nother ball game
On February 21 2009 05:24 ilj.psa wrote: wtf? either this is fake or im seriously underestimating their strengh
Do you not realize just how powerful "5 times human strength" is?
To quote the link Jibba posted:
Now, let me say now that there's just no way to compare any man to an adult chimpanzee, orangutan, or gorilla. An experiment conducted in the Bronx Zoo in 1924 compared the strength of a 165-pound adult man, and a 165-pound male chimp named "Boma", and a 135-pound female chimp named "Suzette". They compared how much weight the human could pull with one arm to that of the apes, the adult man managed to pull 200 pound before reaching his maximum. The male chimp, on the other hand, pulled 847 pounds of weight with one arm, and the female chimpanzee 1,260 pounds.
Furhermore:
On one occasion, a log fell into the exhibit of an orangutan, one which four or five humans could not even budge after trying to remove it, however when one of the orangutan's was annoyed with its presence, it threw the log out as if it weighed nothing with one arm. ... a chimp in the wild has the strength of 4 to 7 adult men, however generally five adult men. An orangutan has the strength of 5 to 8 adult men, however generally 7 adult men.
I don't think these tests are necessarily fair. Grabbing the branch of a tree and pulling a rope is the same muscle group. Pulling a weight is the same thing too. When they attack it sounds like they try to rip, again with the same muscle group. Pulling towards them.
(This is just for discussion's sake , I'm not pretending to be an evolutionary scientist: ) Humans are more balanced and we certainly have more power in our leg muscles than our arms. Able to change direction quickly and push outwards with a spear, or throw projectiles.
We must have some kind of advantage, because very recently on an evolutionary timescale we were directly pitted against these types creatures and comfortably won.
On February 21 2009 06:40 Klive5ive wrote: I don't think these tests are necessarily fair. Grabbing the branch of a tree and pulling a rope is the same muscle group. Pulling a weight is the same thing too. When they attack it sounds like they try to rip, again with the same muscle group. Pulling towards them.
(This is just for discussion's sake , I'm not pretending to be an evolutionary scientist: ) Humans are more balanced and we certainly have more power in our leg muscles than our arms. Able to change direction quickly and push outwards with a spear, or throw projectiles.
We must have some kind of advantage, because very recently on an evolutionary timescale we were directly pitted against these types creatures and comfortably won.
I don't think it had anything to do with our physics per see. I tought it was something with our brains? Like we are smarter?
On February 21 2009 06:40 Klive5ive wrote: I don't think these tests are necessarily fair. Grabbing the branch of a tree and pulling a rope is the same muscle group. Pulling a weight is the same thing too. When they attack it sounds like they try to rip, again with the same muscle group. Pulling towards them.
(This is just for discussion's sake , I'm not pretending to be an evolutionary scientist: ) Humans are more balanced and we certainly have more power in our leg muscles than our arms. Able to change direction quickly and push outwards with a spear, or throw projectiles.
We must have some kind of advantage, because very recently on an evolutionary timescale we were directly pitted against these types creatures and comfortably won.
I don't think it had anything to do with our physics per see. I tought it was something with our brains? Like we are smarter?
Yeah obviously. How much smarter we are than apes is another issue; intelligence doesn't help THAT much when you're in a survival battle to kill more prey and stop from being killed yourself. (or do you think it does?)
Edit: What I'm saying is that out physics must've helped, at least initially. Walking upright and being able to use our hands wasn't a co-incidence.
On February 21 2009 06:40 Klive5ive wrote: I don't think these tests are necessarily fair. Grabbing the branch of a tree and pulling a rope is the same muscle group. Pulling a weight is the same thing too. When they attack it sounds like they try to rip, again with the same muscle group. Pulling towards them.
(This is just for discussion's sake , I'm not pretending to be an evolutionary scientist: ) Humans are more balanced and we certainly have more power in our leg muscles than our arms. Able to change direction quickly and push outwards with a spear, or throw projectiles.
We must have some kind of advantage, because very recently on an evolutionary timescale we were directly pitted against these types creatures and comfortably won.
"What happens when people decide they can't live with a chimpanzee pet any longer? There are chimpanzee sanctuaries. If you want to put a chimp in a sanctuary, I would think you would have to come with a lot of money—it's pretty much for lifelong maintenance. A chimp can live for about 50 years, and 10 is usually the age when people don't want them any more. So that's 40 years of care."
Or just poison the bastard...
what I wanna know about these videos is who has the balls to film them. Seems like you have to get lucky to set up the cameras and catch anything. If its an actual person filming and not a camera posted up there how come the people dont get attacked. Im sure the chimps can smell them.
"What happens when people decide they can't live with a chimpanzee pet any longer? There are chimpanzee sanctuaries. If you want to put a chimp in a sanctuary, I would think you would have to come with a lot of money—it's pretty much for lifelong maintenance. A chimp can live for about 50 years, and 10 is usually the age when people don't want them any more. So that's 40 years of care."
Or just poison the bastard...
what I wanna know about these videos is who has the balls to film them. Seems like you have to get lucky to set up the cameras and catch anything. If its an actual person filming and not a camera posted up there how come the people dont get attacked. Im sure the chimps can smell them.
Extremely long range capture equipment, including the microphones.
"What happens when people decide they can't live with a chimpanzee pet any longer? There are chimpanzee sanctuaries. If you want to put a chimp in a sanctuary, I would think you would have to come with a lot of money—it's pretty much for lifelong maintenance. A chimp can live for about 50 years, and 10 is usually the age when people don't want them any more. So that's 40 years of care."
Or just poison the bastard...
what I wanna know about these videos is who has the balls to film them. Seems like you have to get lucky to set up the cameras and catch anything. If its an actual person filming and not a camera posted up there how come the people dont get attacked. Im sure the chimps can smell them.
Extremely long range capture equipment, including the microphones.
we talking a guy with a camera on a giant pole or a remote controlled device or something?
"What happens when people decide they can't live with a chimpanzee pet any longer? There are chimpanzee sanctuaries. If you want to put a chimp in a sanctuary, I would think you would have to come with a lot of money—it's pretty much for lifelong maintenance. A chimp can live for about 50 years, and 10 is usually the age when people don't want them any more. So that's 40 years of care."
Or just poison the bastard...
what I wanna know about these videos is who has the balls to film them. Seems like you have to get lucky to set up the cameras and catch anything. If its an actual person filming and not a camera posted up there how come the people dont get attacked. Im sure the chimps can smell them.
Extremely long range capture equipment, including the microphones.
we talking a guy with a camera on a giant pole or a remote controlled device or something?
I once watched this documentary where they used remote controlled cams that could zoom in really far and even drive around and shit, and they used elephants to deploy them, was really cool.
Oh found an image:
Animals got so close that they even noticed their reflection in the lens, pretty neat.
On February 21 2009 03:37 ilj.psa wrote: i wonder if i could kill one of those with fuckers a headlock
I was actually wondering the same thing since I've been training in jiu jistu and wrestling for a while now buti after some thought I realized this would be impossible. A chimp would most likely bite the fuck out of my forearm or bicep if I tried to get it in a rear naked choke. Maybe all of the adrenaline would make it possible but I'm really not confident that I'd be able to do much of anything.
Brock Lesnar vs Travis...gogo.
You wouldn't even be able to hold the lock, the chimp being X% stronger would just pull your arm off like what?
Just to add guys, I don't think the chimp just grabbed the woman's face and easily pulled off her jaw or hands or whatever. There are tendons and muscles and all this shit connecting it together, its like trying to pull a rubber band in half when it's attached to a roll of quarters. He probably bit and gnawed and pulled at it. It wasn't just one jerk. Even if he put his feet on her body or whatever to tether her down while he pulled i'm sure with his vicious attack he gnawed at her at didn't use as much force as you all think.
Another good reason to have a gun. If your chimp goes wild on someone you can shoot it and not have to wait until the cops get there to save the woman. That attack would have ended a lot faster if it had happened at my house.
On February 21 2009 10:09 Savio wrote: Another good reason to have a gun. If your chimp goes wild on someone you can shoot it and not have to wait until the cops get there to save the woman. That attack would have ended a lot faster if it had happened at my house.
people will nevel stop trying to acquire exotic animals. But, what if a law is passed that every chimp must be equipped with a tranqualising collar or wrist band? Once the chimp starts freaking out the owner is able to administer the tranqualiser without getting in harms way. Good idea?
Not to derail, but fuck that channel that CNN2 became. All that they report is bullshit like this (not to say dying is bullshit, but how about the national policy thing going on.?) whoever thought that it was a good idea to make an entire channel dedicated to gossip news was a jerkoff
I don't understand, how do you rip someone face's out without killing her? It's not like the face is a separate body part you can just pull off, it's part of the head.
Maybe they're trying to mean he ripped off just some of the skin from the face?
On February 21 2009 11:12 VIB wrote: I don't understand, how do you rip someone face's out without killing her? It's not like the face is a separate body part you can just pull off, it's part of the head.
Maybe they're trying to mean he ripped off just some of the skin from the face?
Jaw/nose/ears/eyes are not vital organs, as long as you contain blood loss.
Wow thats ridiculous. People are so stupid sometimes. Having a wild animal as a pet is idiotic in itself but to give it drugs designed for HUMAN USAGE?!
On February 21 2009 10:41 MaZza[KIS] wrote: I just thought of this right now...
people will nevel stop trying to acquire exotic animals. But, what if a law is passed that every chimp must be equipped with a tranqualising collar or wrist band? Once the chimp starts freaking out the owner is able to administer the tranqualiser without getting in harms way. Good idea?
You wouldn't always have time to do it though. What if your just sitting down and it fucking pounces on you. There's no way you are going to be able to pull something out of your pocket and press a button or whatever.
its easy to break a coin when you have the appropiate technique, and he didn't "bend it" with his eye socket he was pressing onto the bone beneath it. Funny that he doesn't want to shake hands because of fear of breaking them , yet he has sex with those womans all day.
On February 20 2009 16:53 CharlieMurphy wrote: Here is a 46 second transcript I just wrote for you all to understand what I mean. Just read this, without thinking of the audio. Doesn't the guy sound like a fucking moron?
OP:Stamford 911, wereres ur emergency?
Woman: name, address, (chimp screaming in backrgound)... OP: what's the problem? (chimp screaming louder in backrgound) Woman: send the police. (chimp screaming even louder in backrgound) OP: What's the problem there?! (chimp screaming ) Woman: the, the, the chimp killed my friend! OP: What's the problem with your friend? (chimp screaming ) Woman: help, please! (chimp screaming ) OP: what's the problem with yer friend!? I NEED TO KNOW! (chimp screaming ) Woman: send the police out! With a gun! with a gun! Hurry up! OP: Who hasssss a gun? Woman: Please hurry up, he's killing my girlfriend! OP: What es te problem? Woman: He's killing my friend! OP: WHO'S KILLIN YOUR FRIEND? WOMAN: MY CHIMP, MY CHIMPANZEE OP: Oh, your chimpansee es killin ur friend? WOMAN: He ripped her apart, hurry up! (op in background radioing message finally) OP: There is someone on the way.
now go back and listen again.
PS- Every fuckin school kid knows what a damned monkey sounds like.
Yeah I couldn't believe how inept that fucking operator was. The screaming monkey noises in the background are easily recognized by anyone 5+ years old. They were loud and repeated, backdropping the woman's desperate, but coherent, explanation of the situation.
I would have asked for a native English speaker right away.
Oh and he waited like a whole minute before, "oh btw, someone is on the way". MORAN
You say that in hindsight. The screams could just as easily be coming from a woman, and considering its not everyday that somebody gets mauled by a chimpanzee it's not that easy to put 2 and 2 together.
pet animals should be extinguished no fucking pets, just plants i had a dog for 14 years i will still sign for it esp smart fucking creatures like chimps. Who the fuck gets a pet chimp anyways?
The poor guy was attacked by 2 (!!!!!) chimps! He got his nose bitten off, most of his face missing, a foot torn off (omg...) and his balls ripped out!!!!
WTF is wrong with chimps mutilating peoples (and animals) genitals!!!!!!???? Evil!
God this story has been on the news so much and I'm sick of it. I didn't want to hear about it even the first time. Don't keep fucking undomesticated, dangerous animals as pets. Not that hard.... stupid bitch... it's not your baby. That is unless you're cool with having a baby that kills people.
This was just on the 11 oclock news for me. They talked about how the chimp was on Xanax, and apparently the family of the victim is sueing for 50 million dollars or something like that.
I guess it's pretty big news since I mentioned it to my mom and she said "oh I heard about that on the radio today"
Sueing the lady who was the owner of the chimp then, yes?
Jesus christ, why the fuck do people feel the need to sue for such excessive amounts? Whether you get 5 or 50 million dollars in the case you can still retire rich...
You know, this is a sad story and I feel bad for the lady, but I really hate when after people have something bad happen, they sit down and say "ok, who can we sue that will give us a bunch of money?"
its not just this case but that is the mindset of way too many Americans.
EDIT: also what are the makers of Xanax supposed to put on their boxes?
"Warning: Do not give to old chimpanzees. Brutal attacks may occur"
Sueing the lady who was the owner of the chimp then, yes?
Micronesia should supply more details, but I imagine that they are not suing the owner of the chimp. There is no way that old lady could come up with any amount of money worth suing. In general people don't sue the person responsible, but rather the person or organization that has money. My guess is that they are suing the makers of Xanax for not warning about chimp attacks.
On May 14 2009 14:30 nitram wrote: The chimp probably wasn't on Xanax when it attacked. Maybe it was suffering from withdrawal symptoms?
They said it was found in the system.
On May 14 2009 14:49 Grobyc wrote: Oooooooooh shieeeet.
Sueing the lady who was the owner of the chimp then, yes?
Jesus christ, why the fuck do people feel the need to sue for such excessive amounts? Whether you get 5 or 50 million dollars in the case you can still retire rich...
I think suing is often done not according to the ability of the target to pay, but to the severity of the 'fault.' They'll get whatever they get, I guess.
On May 14 2009 14:50 Savio wrote: You know, this is a sad story and I feel bad for the lady, but I really hate when after people have something bad happen, they sit down and say "ok, who can we sue that will give us a bunch of money?"
its not just this case but that is the mindset of way too many Americans.
EDIT: also what are the makers of Xanax supposed to put on their boxes?
"Warning: Do not give to old chimpanzees. Brutal attacks may occur"
This isn't really the same as a minor victim trying to use their hardship to sue whoever has the deepest pockets. The family blames the chimp's owner and wants to do something about it... and criminal charges have not been filed.
Sueing the lady who was the owner of the chimp then, yes?
Micronesia should supply more details, but I imagine that they are not suing the owner of the chimp. There is no way that old lady could come up with any amount of money worth suing. In general people don't sue the person responsible, but rather the person or organization that has money. My guess is that they are suing the makers of Xanax for not warning about chimp attacks.
I'll post an article. Read the bold.
Conn. chimp that mauled woman had Xanax in system
NEW HAVEN, Conn. – A chimpanzee that mauled a Connecticut woman had the anti-anxiety drug Xanax in its system, according to toxicology tests, but investigators haven't determined whether the drug played a role in the attack, a prosecutor said Wednesday.
Authorities are still weighing whether to file criminal charges against the chimpanzee's owner, Sandra Herold, said Stamford State's Attorney David Cohen.
The 200-pound chimp, named Travis, attacked Stamford resident Charla Nash on Feb. 16. She lost her hands, nose, lips and eyelids in the attack. Doctors at Ohio's Cleveland Clinic say she is blind and faces two years of surgical procedures.
Nash's family has sued Herold for $50 million. The suit alleges, among other things, that she had given Travis medication that further upset the animal.
"I think it provides tremendous support for the plaintiff's case," said Paul Slager, a catastrophic injury attorney in Stamford. "I think it's understood by everyone that Xanax is medication intended to be used by people, not animals. I suspect that experts will agree it's difficult to predict how an animal like a chimpanzee would respond to taking a medication like Xanax."
Herold has made conflicting public statements about whether she gave Travis Xanax the day of the attack. Police have said Herold told them that she gave the animal Xanax that had not been prescribed for him to calm him because he was agitated.
Herold's attorney, Robert Golger, declined to comment Wednesday, saying he hadn't seen the toxicology results, which were first reported by The Hour of Norwalk. A telephone message left for an attorney for Nash's family wasn't immediately returned.
Herold's attorneys have said there was no way to predict Travis would attack Nash.
On the day of the attack, Herold called Nash to her home to help lure the animal back into her house. Herold has speculated that the chimp was trying to protect her and attacked Nash because she had changed her hairstyle, was driving a different car and was holding a stuffed toy in front of her face to get Travis' attention.
The attack lasted about 12 minutes, and ended when police fatally shot Travis as he attempted to open a police cruiser's door.
Herold owned the 14-year-old chimp nearly all its life, dressed the animal and fed it human foods. When he was younger, Travis starred in TV commercials for Old Navy and Coca-Cola, made an appearance on the "Maury Povich Show" and took part in a television pilot.
Police Capt. Richard Conklin said a necropsy determined the chimpanzee died from multiple gun shot wounds. It also showed two substantial knife wounds to the back, confirming the owner's account that she stabbed her beloved pet with a butcher knife in an effort to rescue her friend, he said.
The report also concluded the chimpanzee was obese, weighing over 200 pounds, Conklin said. He said police will meet with experts in the coming weeks to try to determine if the level of Xanax found would affect the chimpanzee's behavior.
"It doesn't look like a large amount," of Xanax, Conklin said.
Humans who are aggressive or unstable can get worse under the influence of Xanax, said Dr. Emil Coccaro, chief of psychiatry at the University of Chicago Medical Center.
"They just have more frequent and severe outbursts," Coccaro said. He said he did not know how Xanax might affect a chimpanzee.
April Truitt, who runs the Primate Rescue Center in Kentucky, said she's heard of private primate owners giving valium to their animals.
"It's been well known in primate circles that giving valium to monkeys and apes, particularly if their adrenaline is up, can have a very different effect and not be sedating," Truitt said.
Truitt said she did not know of any cases involving an owner giving Xanax to a chimpanzee.
"It's never occurred to us to try," Truitt said. "What an awful postscript to this whole thing."
As pets, they can be extremely difficult. They typically act aggressively toward their owners when they reach adulthood
Why the hell does someone have them as a pet then? is it legal at the place this happened? It's not legal in Finland and I think that's a damn good thing.
It is not legal in Europe anymore to have monkeys as pets. I'd go even further and forbid the circuses to have animals but that's another topic.
And yes, having a chimp as a pet is asking for trouble. They are smart, they are very strong and they are very easily irritated and don't give a fuck about you or anything else for that matter.
I've watched a clip where a bunch of chimps attacked a panther that had killed a baby chimp and was eating it. Needless to say the monkeys literally ripped the panther to shreds. And they attacked with stones and sticks. It looked surreal like I was watching the first people defending their offspring.
this happend a while ago, but they just recently confirmed xanex was in fact in the chimp's system. That's why this is in the news again now.. I think this new information will make it much easier for the family of the victim to sue the owner... makes the owner that much more responsible since she gave the chimp xanex.
im thinking: what makes chimps 5 times as strong as humans?
is it because they are running around on their hands and feet all day long so they get the natural exercise or is it that they just grow strong naturally?
Chimps don't have genes that stunt the development of muscles. Some people have only one muscle supression gene and are very atletic naturally. There is one Russian girl who has no muscle-supression genes at all and she is freakishly strong. Much stronger than the average adult male twice her weight.
Humans have these muscle supression genes to conserve energy. Thats why humans could survive without food for longer times. Our oversized brain consumes 20-25% of our calories so the rest of our body is kind of economy-clas and build for endurance not strength. We rely on weapons, tools and misiles for the last couple of 100.000 years.
I am sorry I don't know the names of the genes and growth-hormones involved.
On May 15 2009 00:27 KaasZerg wrote: Chimps don't have genes that stunt the development of muscles. Some people have only one muscle supression gene and are very atletic naturally. There is one Russian girl who has no muscle-supression genes at all and she is freakishly strong. Much stronger than the average adult male twice her weight.
Humans have these muscle supression genes to conserve energy. Thats why humans could survive without food for longer times. Our oversized brain consumes 20-25% of our calories so the rest of our body is kind of economy-clas and build for endurance not strength. We rely on weapons, tools and misiles for the last couple of 100.000 years.
I am sorry I don't know the names of the genes and growth-hormones involved.
I've heard the same thing. Humans only use 50-60% of their real strength. I heard it was to prevent injury though.
On May 15 2009 00:27 KaasZerg wrote: Chimps don't have genes that stunt the development of muscles. Some people have only one muscle supression gene and are very atletic naturally. There is one Russian girl who has no muscle-supression genes at all and she is freakishly strong. Much stronger than the average adult male twice her weight.
Humans have these muscle supression genes to conserve energy. Thats why humans could survive without food for longer times. Our oversized brain consumes 20-25% of our calories so the rest of our body is kind of economy-clas and build for endurance not strength. We rely on weapons, tools and misiles for the last couple of 100.000 years.
I am sorry I don't know the names of the genes and growth-hormones involved.
I've heard the same thing. Humans only use 50-60% of their real strength. I heard it was to prevent injury though.
I also have heard this. But what I heard is that it wasn't so much to prevent injury, but rather to allow for finer, gentler motor control. I bet it would be extremely hard for a chimp to tie shoelaces.
On May 15 2009 02:42 niteReloaded wrote: she's lucky the chimp didn go batshit.
batshit>apeshit imo
like, if it went batshit... this thread wouldnt even be here.. it'd be in featured.
Rofl that made me laugh.
But yea. crazy apes are scary shit :\ 911 operator sounded retarded. you could hear screaming monkey sounds in the back, she's breathing hard, saying the chimp is attacking my friend and he didn't know anything until she said chimpanzee. lol
First 25 seconds of this are sooooooooo funny LOLOLOL>OL
Fucking chimp screaming in the background and the woman panics like SEND THE POLICE THE CHIMP KILLED MY FRIEND and the guy so calm like... what's wrong with your friend? what's the problem with your friend I need to know while the chimp is SCREECHING down the phone....
On May 15 2009 00:27 KaasZerg wrote: Chimps don't have genes that stunt the development of muscles. Some people have only one muscle supression gene and are very atletic naturally. There is one Russian girl who has no muscle-supression genes at all and she is freakishly strong. Much stronger than the average adult male twice her weight.
Humans have these muscle supression genes to conserve energy. Thats why humans could survive without food for longer times. Our oversized brain consumes 20-25% of our calories so the rest of our body is kind of economy-clas and build for endurance not strength. We rely on weapons, tools and misiles for the last couple of 100.000 years.
I am sorry I don't know the names of the genes and growth-hormones involved.
I've heard the same thing. Humans only use 50-60% of their real strength. I heard it was to prevent injury though.
There was a neat documentary/show on Discovery channel about people who pull off extreme feats of strength and pain endurance etc when threatened with imminent death.
One lady fell off some rock face and tumbled down a hill and busted up all her bones and like dragged herself miles. One dude had a boulder fall on him (think it was over a ton) and it was sliding on him off the edge of a huge cliff that would have surely killed him. He managed to push the boulder off and in the process ripped a shit load of tendons, ligaments, and muscles. And ofc everyone has heard about the dude who sawed his hand off with a pocket knife to get free from a crevice he fell into. Its pretty amazing stuff.