EPTSome sites sell Diablo 2 items for real money as you know. Even though I'm not interested in buying any myself, I don't know how they get all the items they sell. Often these sites offer high-end rune words and such for a new ladder season, where everyone is still low level and poor. So how can these guys supply such a godly list of items while no one in ladder even has anything decent? Do they use some hack or dupe methods to create items?
Diablo 2 item sites
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JustQuitWarcraftIII
United States679 Posts
Some sites sell Diablo 2 items for real money as you know. Even though I'm not interested in buying any myself, I don't know how they get all the items they sell. Often these sites offer high-end rune words and such for a new ladder season, where everyone is still low level and poor. So how can these guys supply such a godly list of items while no one in ladder even has anything decent? Do they use some hack or dupe methods to create items? | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
i also just quit diablo 2 again ahah i feel so much better now not rushing home to mf and shit anymore omg | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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JustQuitWarcraftIII
United States679 Posts
But the thing is, these sites offer nearly every high-end rune word like Grief, Breath of the Dying, Exile, Heart of the Oak, etc as soon as a new ladder season starts. And of course, you can order any quantity of any item you want such as 50 Grief's if you can afford them. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14896 Posts
On November 11 2008 00:13 Scorch wrote: My guess is it's duped or hacked stuff that goes poof come the next ruststorm. How much of a sad nerd do you have to be to enlarge your e-penis via bought items anyway? not very people do this all the time in wow | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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JustQuitWarcraftIII
United States679 Posts
On November 11 2008 00:21 Scorch wrote: I don't get it. Isn't the whole purpose of the game to search for items and develop your character? Why would somebody pay money to rob himself of all the fun? I can understand it a bit if you are only interested in duels, but still... Maybe because not everyone has 8 hours to MF or farm for items due to their work, family, etc. Still, they want to enjoy the few hours of gaming they have by not dying too much. Buying items directly achieves that. I personally think the item sites make profits at perhaps no cost; unethical in a way. Therefore I want to know more about their nature and methods. | ||
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.kaz
1963 Posts
Play for a few days Dupe thousands of items ?????? Profit. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
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garmule2
United States376 Posts
There's no chinese people doing anything. In fact, all of the sites are the same business with different names, and that business is just one or two guys maintaining a bunch of computers running bots. These bots are more complex than you could possibly imagine given what you've seen in real games. For example, when you order an account built to Level 90 on their website, a bot is activated that gets on the new account and levels it up using other bots that party with it to level it. There's no chinese kids sitting on there 24 hours a day for 3 days to level a thousand d2 chars at once. These bots also incorporate any useful hacks, glitches, or modifications that speed up the process - but most of their items are probably not duped. I've never had a d2 item from them poof, and it would be excessively difficult for them to keep up with current duping methods anyway. That's how I run mine, anyway. I started with 1 comp, made money, bought a second, made more money, bought a third, and so on. Right now I run ten computers and I've pretty much maxed out the demand for the game I'm doing this for running 38 accounts on those ten computers. They generate unbelievable amounts of items and such, enough that people might think there's a dupe hack. Think about it - if one person farms 2 hours a day on average, 38 accounts running 24 hours a day produce 456 times the amount of items an average person sees (and bots do it more efficiently!). So an average player finds one Zod and sees I have 456 Zods and thinks - this guy must be duping! But nah. Bots are less risky and far more powerful. Why am I doing this? I'm hoping to raise enough capital to start my own small software company soon enough. Is it ethical? I think so. If a game has players that want to buy items and money to skip boring parts, that means the game is poorly designed, as proven by the fact that it has boring parts. In many cases, practices like this one become a core reason why a game remains successful at all. Asheron's Call, for example, has bots for literally everything now, mostly due to the extreme timesinks incorporated into every part of the game's design. At any time, 70% of their population may be bots, because the game baselined (hit minimum population) a long time ago. 70% bots? Most players scream 'that's horrible!' However, Asheron's Call is still around, when it would not be without those bots. Just some thoughts, probably more than you wanted =) | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
Basically all the sites buy from a one single source. Some have even speculated its an inside job with the duper most likely being a current/past blizzard employee. Since the money invovled is into the millions. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On November 11 2008 00:37 garmule2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I run a business like this for another game, and I play D2 myself & have bought items from these sites so I know what you're talking about. There's no chinese people doing anything. In fact, all of the sites are the same business with different names, and that business is just one or two guys maintaining a bunch of computers running bots. These bots are more complex than you could possibly imagine given what you've seen in real games. For example, when you order an account built to Level 90 on their website, a bot is activated that gets on the new account and levels it up using other bots that party with it to level it. There's no chinese kids sitting on there 24 hours a day for 3 days to level a thousand d2 chars at once. These bots also incorporate any useful hacks, glitches, or modifications that speed up the process - but most of their items are probably not duped. I've never had a d2 item from them poof, and it would be excessively difficult for them to keep up with current duping methods anyway. That's how I run mine, anyway. I started with 1 comp, made money, bought a second, made more money, bought a third, and so on. Right now I run ten computers and I've pretty much maxed out the demand for the game I'm doing this for running 38 accounts on those ten computers. They generate unbelievable amounts of items and such, enough that people might think there's a dupe hack. Think about it - if one person farms 2 hours a day on average, 38 accounts running 24 hours a day produce 456 times the amount of items an average person sees (and bots do it more efficiently!). So an average player finds one Zod and sees I have 456 Zods and thinks - this guy must be duping! But nah. Bots are less risky and far more powerful. Why am I doing this? I'm hoping to raise enough capital to start my own small software company soon enough. Is it ethical? I think so. If a game has players that want to buy items and money to skip boring parts, that means the game is poorly designed, as proven by the fact that it has boring parts. In many cases, practices like this one become a core reason why a game remains successful at all. Asheron's Call, for example, has bots for literally everything now, mostly due to the extreme timesinks incorporated into every part of the game's design. At any time, 70% of their population may be bots, because the game baselined (hit minimum population) a long time ago. 70% bots? Most players scream 'that's horrible!' However, Asheron's Call is still around, when it would not be without those bots. Just some thoughts, probably more than you wanted =) That's quite interesting stuff. Thanks for the insight. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On November 11 2008 00:45 Scorch wrote: That's quite interesting stuff. Thanks for the insight. It's unfortunate there are many errors with his story for me to actually believe it. | ||
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qet
Australia244 Posts
On November 11 2008 00:37 garmule2 wrote: In fact, all of the sites are the same business with different names, and that business is just one or two guys maintaining a bunch of computers running bots. sorry people, don't listen to garmule2. he is wrong. the sites are all different, of course. and the items aren't all botted. firstly, duping still exists. i know this because ive had items poof, and that only happens when its a dupe. so its safe to assume some sites dupe. to make their uber runewords, they dupe runes, and keep rerolling the runeword until its high stats, or perfect. the odds of botting high runes and certain perfect uniques are simply too low to be botted in the amounts required. there are limits to botting - cd keys, connections per IP address, and the fact that each character has to be levelled and equipped. summary: -- small shops would probably buy/trade duped items from other people, or perhaps run a few bots. basically a small extension of the normal d2 player. -- large shops would have a reliable dupe method going, or else they can pay someone else to do it, and would dupe staple items, like runes, 40-15s, pcombs with life, etc. -- no there's no "inside job" from blizzard. why would they bother? as a big corporation, the corporate image is very valuable. if news got out that a blizz employee was selling d2 items, it would suffer. -- no there's not a single source. many people can dupe and do dupe. the flaw in the d2 servers is that they aren't equipped to deal with lag between servers. then they can get out of synch, resulting in the same character being in 2 different games. and of course, there would be a few bugs still left in the server code. your use of maths on zod runes is pretty poor. the average player does NOT find a zod. and if you run 38 bots, 24/7, you will still be waiting DECADES to find 456 zods, or whatever the huge number was you came up with. | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
maybe they bot like 8 player games rush to hell in classic then convert to LoD then do hellforges like crazy? haha then transmute up to high runes then dupe :S | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
- LOL @ many people can dupe. If many people can dupe, the first HRs on ladder wouldnt sell for hundreds of dollars. | ||
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.kaz
1963 Posts
On November 11 2008 01:03 alffla wrote: how do they dupe frmo nothing though? say a new ladder season and everyone's chars are empty o_O maybe they bot like 8 player games rush to hell in classic then convert to LoD then do hellforges like crazy? haha then transmute up to high runes then dupe :S The same way they have 1.08 patch items in 1.11 when the items don't exist any more and are unatainable, some sort of desynching of server / dupe / hack that can edit an items property. Blizzard fixed the "white" rings but i think there are still wizspike gloves. I have no idea how they get the first runes, but im sure its only a day or two at max before people have plenty of runes to throw around. I'm sure someone with 20k D2JSP gold can buy a hr for 10k the second day and then make 10x his investment in a week or two. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On November 11 2008 01:03 alffla wrote: how do they dupe frmo nothing though? say a new ladder season and everyone's chars are empty o_O maybe they bot like 8 player games rush to hell in classic then convert to LoD then do hellforges like crazy? haha then transmute up to high runes then dupe :S I guess they do hell forge and get like an ist or something and just dupe that. They probably only need one. | ||
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