EPTSome sites sell Diablo 2 items for real money as you know. Even though I'm not interested in buying any myself, I don't know how they get all the items they sell. Often these sites offer high-end rune words and such for a new ladder season, where everyone is still low level and poor. So how can these guys supply such a godly list of items while no one in ladder even has anything decent? Do they use some hack or dupe methods to create items?
Diablo 2 item sites
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JustQuitWarcraftIII
United States679 Posts
Some sites sell Diablo 2 items for real money as you know. Even though I'm not interested in buying any myself, I don't know how they get all the items they sell. Often these sites offer high-end rune words and such for a new ladder season, where everyone is still low level and poor. So how can these guys supply such a godly list of items while no one in ladder even has anything decent? Do they use some hack or dupe methods to create items? | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
i also just quit diablo 2 again ahah i feel so much better now not rushing home to mf and shit anymore omg | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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JustQuitWarcraftIII
United States679 Posts
But the thing is, these sites offer nearly every high-end rune word like Grief, Breath of the Dying, Exile, Heart of the Oak, etc as soon as a new ladder season starts. And of course, you can order any quantity of any item you want such as 50 Grief's if you can afford them. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
On November 11 2008 00:13 Scorch wrote: My guess is it's duped or hacked stuff that goes poof come the next ruststorm. How much of a sad nerd do you have to be to enlarge your e-penis via bought items anyway? not very people do this all the time in wow | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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JustQuitWarcraftIII
United States679 Posts
On November 11 2008 00:21 Scorch wrote: I don't get it. Isn't the whole purpose of the game to search for items and develop your character? Why would somebody pay money to rob himself of all the fun? I can understand it a bit if you are only interested in duels, but still... Maybe because not everyone has 8 hours to MF or farm for items due to their work, family, etc. Still, they want to enjoy the few hours of gaming they have by not dying too much. Buying items directly achieves that. I personally think the item sites make profits at perhaps no cost; unethical in a way. Therefore I want to know more about their nature and methods. | ||
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.kaz
1963 Posts
Play for a few days Dupe thousands of items ?????? Profit. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
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garmule2
United States376 Posts
There's no chinese people doing anything. In fact, all of the sites are the same business with different names, and that business is just one or two guys maintaining a bunch of computers running bots. These bots are more complex than you could possibly imagine given what you've seen in real games. For example, when you order an account built to Level 90 on their website, a bot is activated that gets on the new account and levels it up using other bots that party with it to level it. There's no chinese kids sitting on there 24 hours a day for 3 days to level a thousand d2 chars at once. These bots also incorporate any useful hacks, glitches, or modifications that speed up the process - but most of their items are probably not duped. I've never had a d2 item from them poof, and it would be excessively difficult for them to keep up with current duping methods anyway. That's how I run mine, anyway. I started with 1 comp, made money, bought a second, made more money, bought a third, and so on. Right now I run ten computers and I've pretty much maxed out the demand for the game I'm doing this for running 38 accounts on those ten computers. They generate unbelievable amounts of items and such, enough that people might think there's a dupe hack. Think about it - if one person farms 2 hours a day on average, 38 accounts running 24 hours a day produce 456 times the amount of items an average person sees (and bots do it more efficiently!). So an average player finds one Zod and sees I have 456 Zods and thinks - this guy must be duping! But nah. Bots are less risky and far more powerful. Why am I doing this? I'm hoping to raise enough capital to start my own small software company soon enough. Is it ethical? I think so. If a game has players that want to buy items and money to skip boring parts, that means the game is poorly designed, as proven by the fact that it has boring parts. In many cases, practices like this one become a core reason why a game remains successful at all. Asheron's Call, for example, has bots for literally everything now, mostly due to the extreme timesinks incorporated into every part of the game's design. At any time, 70% of their population may be bots, because the game baselined (hit minimum population) a long time ago. 70% bots? Most players scream 'that's horrible!' However, Asheron's Call is still around, when it would not be without those bots. Just some thoughts, probably more than you wanted =) | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
Basically all the sites buy from a one single source. Some have even speculated its an inside job with the duper most likely being a current/past blizzard employee. Since the money invovled is into the millions. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On November 11 2008 00:37 garmule2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I run a business like this for another game, and I play D2 myself & have bought items from these sites so I know what you're talking about. There's no chinese people doing anything. In fact, all of the sites are the same business with different names, and that business is just one or two guys maintaining a bunch of computers running bots. These bots are more complex than you could possibly imagine given what you've seen in real games. For example, when you order an account built to Level 90 on their website, a bot is activated that gets on the new account and levels it up using other bots that party with it to level it. There's no chinese kids sitting on there 24 hours a day for 3 days to level a thousand d2 chars at once. These bots also incorporate any useful hacks, glitches, or modifications that speed up the process - but most of their items are probably not duped. I've never had a d2 item from them poof, and it would be excessively difficult for them to keep up with current duping methods anyway. That's how I run mine, anyway. I started with 1 comp, made money, bought a second, made more money, bought a third, and so on. Right now I run ten computers and I've pretty much maxed out the demand for the game I'm doing this for running 38 accounts on those ten computers. They generate unbelievable amounts of items and such, enough that people might think there's a dupe hack. Think about it - if one person farms 2 hours a day on average, 38 accounts running 24 hours a day produce 456 times the amount of items an average person sees (and bots do it more efficiently!). So an average player finds one Zod and sees I have 456 Zods and thinks - this guy must be duping! But nah. Bots are less risky and far more powerful. Why am I doing this? I'm hoping to raise enough capital to start my own small software company soon enough. Is it ethical? I think so. If a game has players that want to buy items and money to skip boring parts, that means the game is poorly designed, as proven by the fact that it has boring parts. In many cases, practices like this one become a core reason why a game remains successful at all. Asheron's Call, for example, has bots for literally everything now, mostly due to the extreme timesinks incorporated into every part of the game's design. At any time, 70% of their population may be bots, because the game baselined (hit minimum population) a long time ago. 70% bots? Most players scream 'that's horrible!' However, Asheron's Call is still around, when it would not be without those bots. Just some thoughts, probably more than you wanted =) That's quite interesting stuff. Thanks for the insight. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On November 11 2008 00:45 Scorch wrote: That's quite interesting stuff. Thanks for the insight. It's unfortunate there are many errors with his story for me to actually believe it. | ||
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qet
Australia244 Posts
On November 11 2008 00:37 garmule2 wrote: In fact, all of the sites are the same business with different names, and that business is just one or two guys maintaining a bunch of computers running bots. sorry people, don't listen to garmule2. he is wrong. the sites are all different, of course. and the items aren't all botted. firstly, duping still exists. i know this because ive had items poof, and that only happens when its a dupe. so its safe to assume some sites dupe. to make their uber runewords, they dupe runes, and keep rerolling the runeword until its high stats, or perfect. the odds of botting high runes and certain perfect uniques are simply too low to be botted in the amounts required. there are limits to botting - cd keys, connections per IP address, and the fact that each character has to be levelled and equipped. summary: -- small shops would probably buy/trade duped items from other people, or perhaps run a few bots. basically a small extension of the normal d2 player. -- large shops would have a reliable dupe method going, or else they can pay someone else to do it, and would dupe staple items, like runes, 40-15s, pcombs with life, etc. -- no there's no "inside job" from blizzard. why would they bother? as a big corporation, the corporate image is very valuable. if news got out that a blizz employee was selling d2 items, it would suffer. -- no there's not a single source. many people can dupe and do dupe. the flaw in the d2 servers is that they aren't equipped to deal with lag between servers. then they can get out of synch, resulting in the same character being in 2 different games. and of course, there would be a few bugs still left in the server code. your use of maths on zod runes is pretty poor. the average player does NOT find a zod. and if you run 38 bots, 24/7, you will still be waiting DECADES to find 456 zods, or whatever the huge number was you came up with. | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
maybe they bot like 8 player games rush to hell in classic then convert to LoD then do hellforges like crazy? haha then transmute up to high runes then dupe :S | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
- LOL @ many people can dupe. If many people can dupe, the first HRs on ladder wouldnt sell for hundreds of dollars. | ||
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.kaz
1963 Posts
On November 11 2008 01:03 alffla wrote: how do they dupe frmo nothing though? say a new ladder season and everyone's chars are empty o_O maybe they bot like 8 player games rush to hell in classic then convert to LoD then do hellforges like crazy? haha then transmute up to high runes then dupe :S The same way they have 1.08 patch items in 1.11 when the items don't exist any more and are unatainable, some sort of desynching of server / dupe / hack that can edit an items property. Blizzard fixed the "white" rings but i think there are still wizspike gloves. I have no idea how they get the first runes, but im sure its only a day or two at max before people have plenty of runes to throw around. I'm sure someone with 20k D2JSP gold can buy a hr for 10k the second day and then make 10x his investment in a week or two. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On November 11 2008 01:03 alffla wrote: how do they dupe frmo nothing though? say a new ladder season and everyone's chars are empty o_O maybe they bot like 8 player games rush to hell in classic then convert to LoD then do hellforges like crazy? haha then transmute up to high runes then dupe :S I guess they do hell forge and get like an ist or something and just dupe that. They probably only need one. | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On November 11 2008 01:20 Ilikestarcraft wrote: I guess they do hell forge and get like an ist or something and just dupe that. They probably only need one. Exactly, they usually just find one mid-level rune and continually dupe it. 1 turns to 2, then 4, and so on. Eventually you have characters full of Ists and all you need to do is transmute them into a higher rune so they don't poof. You have "legit" runes. Unique items is all about botting (since you really can't dupe them without poofing), back when I used to play a few months ago I used to bot 5 characters at once. Last ladder season I had 12 Hammerdins running the same bosses over and over again ~_~ Same goes with white and blue items. I have no idea how they dupe the runes, it's an incredibly well kept secret from what I've been hearing. I've tried multiple methods and all came up short. | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On November 11 2008 00:36 Lemonwalrus wrote: Do they deliver right away? It is possible they just know that they will get whatever items they need in a short amount of time so they just sell everything and get it later. That would explain how they sell even at the start of the season. The big websites (Lewt and all of its sister sites [even though they don't say it, almost EVERY website is connected to Lewt]) deliver in a few minutes, they e-mail you with the account and password with characters that have all the items you ordered on it. edit: Now thinking about it, my previous post (which came from d2jsp and other such websites) seems invalid. The items probably ARE botted. There is no explanation why high runes on ladder would be so incredibly expensive if the dupers already are duping hundreds of them at a time. (Honestly, it doesn't take long for 1 Ist to turn into 1000 provided this "dupe" method works) If such dupers DID exist, the d2jsp prices for HRs would deflated a LONG time ago. When ladder started Bers and Jahs went for 3k, now look at these prices. Vex = 30-40 Ohm = 30-40 Ber = 30-40 Jah = 30-40 Lo = 30-40 Cham = 30-40 Sur = 30-40 Zod = 30-40 Went down to 1% of its original value in ... five months? If there was no botting and/or duping, these prices would stay the same. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On November 11 2008 01:32 Ilikestarcraft wrote: I remember someone on this d2 site started collecting el runes only thinking he would transmute them to zod if he collected enough and than this other guy calculated the time it would take to transmute els to a zod and found it was like over 100+ years and that was just transmuting them. Poor guy disappeared after ROFL Yeah I actually thought about that and then I realized I needed like 10,000 El runes.  I was quite sad that day when I figured it out. Edit: Also, if anybody wants free shit on East ladder, just let me know; I have a couple of accounts filled with items that I will never use or sell. | ||
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garmule2
United States376 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + sorry people, don't listen to garmule2. he is wrong. the sites are all different, of course. and the items aren't all botted. firstly, duping still exists. i know this because ive had items poof, and that only happens when its a dupe. so its safe to assume some sites dupe. to make their uber runewords, they dupe runes, and keep rerolling the runeword until its high stats, or perfect. the odds of botting high runes and certain perfect uniques are simply too low to be botted in the amounts required. there are limits to botting - cd keys, connections per IP address, and the fact that each character has to be levelled and equipped. summary: -- small shops would probably buy/trade duped items from other people, or perhaps run a few bots. basically a small extension of the normal d2 player. -- large shops would have a reliable dupe method going, or else they can pay someone else to do it, and would dupe staple items, like runes, 40-15s, pcombs with life, etc. -- no there's no "inside job" from blizzard. why would they bother? as a big corporation, the corporate image is very valuable. if news got out that a blizz employee was selling d2 items, it would suffer. -- no there's not a single source. many people can dupe and do dupe. the flaw in the d2 servers is that they aren't equipped to deal with lag between servers. then they can get out of synch, resulting in the same character being in 2 different games. and of course, there would be a few bugs still left in the server code. your use of maths on zod runes is pretty poor. the average player does NOT find a zod. and if you run 38 bots, 24/7, you will still be waiting DECADES to find 456 zods, or whatever the huge number was you came up with. First point I'll make that concerns questions about scale: I run 38 bots. The scale of the D2 bot operation is far, far larger. Why do you think there is a market for CD keys? Individual players who were banned or lost their CD could simply go buy D2 in a store, right? Yet, people are selling thousands of CD keys. There's a reason for that. Additionally, the number of computers and IPs can be arbitrarily large because computers are mostly a fixed cost, and can be used for other things later. There's nothing to stop a successful item-selling business from renting some cheap warehouse space and stuffing it with stock computers that run D2 bots on a good business connection. D2 is not an intensive game to begin with, so minimize the client or remove the graphics with some modification and bots can run purely on memory and packets - lowering CPU useage dramatically. I did something like this for my own bots on my game, so I know it works. My second point: I told you that they incorporated any hacks or exploits they could. Runes are duped then converted to higher Runes to make them legit, I'm sure - but limitless amounts of uniques with random stats can't be duped. I once bought ten unid gladiator's banes that each had random stats until I got a perfect one. Clear sign that bots are at work. But I'm not here to convince anyone. I just like talking about it to get people's reactions because I'm doing something similar. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
/grushing /chaos /uber leveling. I spent more time on this game than like anything. The most annoying thing is trying to xfer/rush your items/chars when none of your friends are on -_-;; Yeah i know theres d2loader and the switch user thing but still annoying. I had mad fun though | ||
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village_idiot
2436 Posts
So thank god for botters and dupes! | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On November 11 2008 01:57 garmule2 wrote: D2 is not an intensive game to begin with, so minimize the client or remove the graphics with some modification and bots can run purely on memory and packets - lowering CPU useage dramatically. I did something like this for my own bots on my game, so I know it works. Aren't there clientless bots where you just input tons of CD keys and account info and it'll run the bots without even opening D2? (Obviously you'd need the game) Your point about the warehouses makes me wonder, does the income that you get from selling these items > cost of internet connection + computers + warehouse? edit: I just checked my 97 Hammerdin, I am sad. He is decked out but I never use him. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 11 2008 00:37 garmule2 wrote:Is it ethical? I think so. If a game has players that want to buy items and money to skip boring parts, that means the game is poorly designed, as proven by the fact that it has boring parts. Disregarding whether or not its ethical or not, I personally don't believe that a game is poorly designed just because it has boring parts. Look at real world sports that have been enjoyed for decades. A lot of people don't enjoy running, but that doesn't make football, baseball, or basketball bad games. Its not a game if you're trying to get "fun" out of every second. Its a drug. | ||
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Zortch
Canada635 Posts
It shatters the economy of these games, which can be a very important part. It ruins the game for a lot of people if you ask me. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On November 11 2008 02:13 village_idiot wrote: D2 is such a shitty game if you think about it. To clear the game you need some godly gear or you're not going to clear hell mode. If people played legitly without botting or duping only about one player would be able to do jack shit in Hell per ladder season. Summoner and hammerdin would be the only viable builds... So thank god for botters and dupes! Lots of people beat hell on single player untwinked with all sorts of characters. Its much easier beating the game with twinked/godly items but its definently not impossible. Its justs that all these idiots dont know how to really play d2 lod because they're spoonfed with godly items. Duping and botting ruined the game imo. And it really feels like blizzard is encouraging duping -_-. Theres like a 1 in a billion chance for a jah to drop and blizzard makes runewords like lastwish with 3 jahs needed. The ability to imbue runes into higher one was a good idea because you can make legit hrs but it actually helped duping. I like spirit because its actually possible to find a high res 4 socket elite pala shield, insights pretty cool too. Treachery is awesome for prebuffing. | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On November 11 2008 02:36 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Lots of people beat hell on single player untwinked with all sorts of characters. Its much easier beating the game with twinked/godly items but its definently not impossible. Its justs that all these idiots dont know how to really play d2 lod because they're spoonfed with godly items. Duping and botting ruined the game imo. And it really feels like blizzard is encouraging duping -_-. Theres like a 1 in a billion chance for a jah to drop and blizzard makes runewords like lastwish with 3 jahs needed. The ability to imbue runes into higher one was a good idea because you can make legit hrs but it actually helped duping. I like spirit because its actually possible to find a high res 4 socket elite pala shield, insights pretty cool too. Treachery is awesome for prebuffing. Well, they're not encouraging botting, this is just their way of trying to get a challenge into D2: their original intent was not for exploiters to get tons of these items, it was for one person to get it and everybody would be like, "omfg that guy has a last wish" And for Hell being "impossible" without twinked items, nah. I beat Single Player Hell with /setplayers 8 on a Bowazon (I admit it took forever but yeah, I eventually got it -_-) | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
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so I equip it all on like my lvl 90 wolf druid and go pvp and get RAPED hahaha played for like 2 days and then gave all the crap away. I paid like $200 for it anyways, i too wondered how they get this stuff. probably are just sold it by other players? | ||
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PanoRaMa
United States5069 Posts
also delivery is usually really, really quick, fwiw. additionally not everything is duped because they still have items with variable statistics (such as low end variables, unid'ed items, of course they have perfect variables as well though). but none of my shit has poofed yet so who knows. the means of acquiring these items though definitely aren't legitimate so in a way these are "dirty" items but really who on ladder has a legit ebotd? but yeah that's my experience from it. I figure I'd rather spend the 8 bucks or w/e to pay for something i would otherwise have to spend months either finding it or gathering shit to trade for it, seemed like a fair trade of time and money to me ez | ||
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tika
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ilovehnk
475 Posts
On November 11 2008 01:57 garmule2 wrote: First point I'll make that concerns questions about scale: I run 38 bots. The scale of the D2 bot operation is far, far larger. Why do you think there is a market for CD keys? Individual players who were banned or lost their CD could simply go buy D2 in a store, right? Yet, people are selling thousands of CD keys. There's a reason for that. Additionally, the number of computers and IPs can be arbitrarily large because computers are mostly a fixed cost, and can be used for other things later. There's nothing to stop a successful item-selling business from renting some cheap warehouse space and stuffing it with stock computers that run D2 bots on a good business connection. D2 is not an intensive game to begin with, so minimize the client or remove the graphics with some modification and bots can run purely on memory and packets - lowering CPU useage dramatically. I did something like this for my own bots on my game, so I know it works. My second point: I told you that they incorporated any hacks or exploits they could. Runes are duped then converted to higher Runes to make them legit, I'm sure - but limitless amounts of uniques with random stats can't be duped. I once bought ten unid gladiator's banes that each had random stats until I got a perfect one. Clear sign that bots are at work. But I'm not here to convince anyone. I just like talking about it to get people's reactions because I'm doing something similar. I read both your posts, they are very informative. A lot of WOW sites that guarantee level up in certain amount of days all belong to one or two companies, they have same website lay out, payment methods etc... | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On November 11 2008 03:24 tika wrote: someone should confiscate garmule2's life ... this is far beyond some lowlife hacker in SC, you fuck with people on multiple levels, from the game devs to the people who try to enjoy it casually to the people who want to play competetively . you suck gameplay out the window, affecting every single player in the game, you're like a parasite, overwhelmingly self-righteous, at least low life hackers do it for fun and will eventually grow up and be apologetic once they realise how much misery they can cause. especially in an mmo where the whole spirit of the game is harmless fun and adventure dude, it's diablo 2 it's not even a directly competitive game. there isn't even an end goal not to say that justifies it but I hardly think it is that big of a deal | ||
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.kaz
1963 Posts
 .Another thing, you can dupe anything, including unid's. There was a huge string of Unid COA's that would come out perfect everytime you identified that were mass duped and you could never tell if it was legit or not without doing some lame "tests" that i don't think anyone was sure if they worked or not. | ||
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Amnesty
United States2054 Posts
Can you image? Anyway, i just started playing again like last week and made it to hell mode pretty easy with summoner solo. I found a Sur rune doing a countess run off a champion wraith! Amazing since i played so much D2 a long time ago and never found higher than Pul (not counting forge runes). Anyway, i traded the sur to some rich guy who was desperate for one to make his last wish. I got Ber, 3 pul and crappy ntorch and some other stuff.. I put the ber in my stash... When i went to go find it to make my Enigma, it was gone. Gone... poof | ||
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qet
Australia244 Posts
i agree that shops use bots. i disagree that there's some conspiracy of "one or two guys" running every item shop. as for 1.08 items - the only way to get these is a non-ladder to ladder exploit (get a nl and l char in the same game and xfer the items). it's been done in the past, sometimes when servers are shutting down it can be done. | ||
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Amnesty
United States2054 Posts
msg me /w *mindcry2 if you can kill him for me useast ladder softcore thanks. EDIT: <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 Thank you Equinox_Kr <3<3<3<3<3 <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 Between the annihilus, Graverobber charm, and the arach. i got +3 more skills and to my suprise my skeletons do a whole 25% more damage than before. I don't know why the difference is so big between 30 skill and 33 skill but its huge! | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On November 11 2008 11:48 Amnesty wrote: speaking of Diablo 2 Uber D is my game i can't Kill solo msg me /w *mindcry2 if you can kill him for me useast ladder softcore thanks. I'll come on, maybe I can kill him. | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On November 11 2008 11:48 Amnesty wrote: speaking of Diablo 2 Uber D is my game i can't Kill solo msg me /w *mindcry2 if you can kill him for me useast ladder softcore thanks. EDIT: <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 Thank you Equinox_Kr <3<3<3<3<3 <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 Between the annihilus, Graverobber charm, and the arach. i got +3 more skills and to my suprise my skeletons do a whole 25% more damage than before. I don't know why the difference is so big between 30 skill and 33 skill but its huge! o_O that was quite unexpected, but thanks :D | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
I used to have a few friends who used to work for two websites. Hell, I even helped out by running a bot to do pindleskin and mephisto runs on my computer. Yes, they use programs as well. Those guys made a lot of bling. | ||
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Stuslegend
Canada168 Posts
ive been playing d2 for like 7 years .... there is always dupers out there, even after all(not many) of the patches blizzard has done | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
i was running 4 bots on my own, 2 computers, 2 virtual devices, and i found MANY hrs and perfect griffon's, coas, etc. i think i found 7-8 legit HR's in the first week of running my 4 bots @ 25 sec/each for pure pindle runs....and some of these websites can run hundreds of bots. i heard one website owner talking about running 1600 bots. eventually i got tired of dealing with muling, and i was only playing d2 against for a short period before i got bored again anyways, since 90% of the game is dupes/pvp bots. cd keys weren't really an issue - i managed to get 14 cd key sets just from asking friends. you don't need a new computer for every bot, nowhere near it; a powerful processor can probably run 5-6 bots on virtual devices with stripped down windows xp easily. the game is REALLLLLLLLLY botted. garmule is completely correct; you can simply activate a level 1 bot, have a lvl 95 hammerdin bot glitch rush him to hell, and have a baal bot/cs bot run him til level 90 in one day. the bots are extremely diverse and complex these days. 95% of baal runs are bots on d2. d2 is just beyond boring nowadays with so many bots, so much cheating and hacking and duping. the first pindlebot i had running got my sorc to level 97 before i stopped...off pure pindle from lvl 80 or so. i also had 3 level 95 hammerdins on bots. it's not uncommon to see a baal bot with leech bots on the bot owner's other 4-5 characters following the baal bot around. there are definitely 1-2 guys running the shops. maybe 1-2 is a bit low, but it's certainly not a huge number of people. just look at the diction and syntax, many of the sites have identical menus, contact info, faqs, etc, with totally different URLs. they put slightly different prices, why should they care? they're making profit either way. and there are 10000000% private dupes, no doubt whatsoever. on d2jsp a guy bought the mostly ungodly eth autorep 300 ed fools mod 40ias 2os zerker for 51k fg, and it poofed. the seller replaced it for him. LOL. | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
Right now HRs on jsp are about 20 fg/each on East ladder, while they were 250 fg each a few months ago. 20 fg is really cheap, even for a total noob just starting out. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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Stuslegend
Canada168 Posts
350,000+ accounts just got banned biggest banning spree ever for d2 most ppl are thinking that since WoW expansion is comming out that banned diablo people will go out and buy that insted, such bullshit!!!!!!! | ||
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tika
127 Posts
On November 11 2008 03:54 travis wrote: dude, it's diablo 2 it's not even a directly competitive game. there isn't even an end goal not to say that justifies it but I hardly think it is that big of a deal if you dont clarify it at some level then you have these same people botting poker | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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misclick
Korea (South)155 Posts
regardless, there are methods that retain a unique item id. so the mere fact that they aren't poofing is hardly a way to gauge whether or not its duped. | ||
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JustQuitWarcraftIII
United States679 Posts
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