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On October 20 2008 06:30 iheartgna wrote:
@ Adam Banks
You passing judgement on me just seems silly. I never said anything about the girl in question that I'm sure wasn't true. I never said she was a bad person in any facet just that she was born with a very socially crippling disorder.
Though most of what you said was irrelevant I will address it anyway.
You for instance use the word "prolly," and your posts are riddled with rational incongruities and grammatical errors suggesting that you most definitely need help to get a 140 on a standard IQ test.
Your defense of "Popularity" leads me to believe that you think that a person can judge his/her merit by the number of friends they have. You may be very popular and cling to it as you feel it is very important to be liked by all.
Are you a genius or mentally retarded? Well, you couldn't spell "genius" correctly...
lolol I really can't tell if you are beeing sarcastic or not :p
Just in case you aren't, it was quite clear from his post that he has dyslexia or something similar. To read that and then go after his spelling in an attempt to get at him is beyond lol.
And yes a bunch of kids voting for a girl with ds is way better than the same bunch of kids not doing it.
Their reasons might have been shallow but I am convinced they learned something about compassion in the process.
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I'm not really trying to get at him; I wish I could portray my thoughts better without sounding like an asshole but I cannot. Though it may not be his fault he sounded moronic, he did. Though it is not her fault that she is physically deformed and mentally retarded, she is. If you remove the bad connotation of these ideas then they are just characteristics. If she looked and acted the same way but did not have down syndrome she would not have won, end of story.
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On October 20 2008 08:09 TeCh)PsylO wrote:Show nested quote +This was a vote that came from some superficial sense of charity and kindness. As such, in my eyes this "achievement" is shallow and has little meaning Superficial in what sense? It had a real impact on Kristin, her family, and set a good example for everyone in the high school. There is nothing superficial about that. Voting for the cute girl that dates the H.S. football QB is superficial.
The entire competition is superficial, regardless of who wins. Even if there is a real impact on Kristin and her family, it's built on something fake and meaningless. They're deluding themselves into thinking that they actually accomplished something.
The accomplishment here is: "Down Syndrome Girl wins Popularity Contest". This girl was able to win the contest, probably because of the fact that she has Down Syndrome. If she was just ugly and dumb, no one would have given a flying fuck about her.
If I thought she actually won because of her great personality, then I would see this as a meaningful event. However, I highly doubt that's the case.
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This is a heart warming story in the ways that the people have a heart and a kind soul. Peoplewith Downs Syndrome are really great people, I have never met a single peerson with downs syndrom who was mean.
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On October 20 2008 03:15 TeCh)PsylO wrote:
Wow, you guys are cynical. I think whether or not she truly is popular with people(something we have no reason to doubt) or if this was a pity vote, is irrelevant. Either way the people in her high school have been "big" enough to prevent this from being a bigger disadvantage than it already is by putting her on the same social level, so to speak. For a bunch of high school kids, I think that is impressive.
They're not putting her on the same social level though. They just donated a temporary superficial award to her. You think they called her up that weekend to hang out/party? I don't.
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This is disgusting, selfish behavior by the kids of that school.
It is all too clear that the self-conscious, middle-class, pampered students who voted for her are simply devaluing the importance of winning the homecoming queen contest, essentially saying "Fuck you, if I'm not popular enough to win, then I'll vote for someone to make a mockery of this whole contest." Thus, these students are not voting out of sympathy for a person with Down Syndrome, but they are simply voting out of hatred of outwardly attractive people based on their own insecure beliefs that someone might actually be more attractive than herself.
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That is cool for something like this to happen. Got some nice students are your school. 
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On October 20 2008 08:41 iheartgna wrote:
I'm not really trying to get at him; I wish I could portray my thoughts better without sounding like an asshole but I cannot. Though it may not be his fault he sounded moronic, he did. Though it is not her fault that she is physically deformed and mentally retarded, she is. If you remove the bad connotation of these ideas then they are just characteristics. If she looked and acted the same way but did not have down syndrome she would not have won, end of story.
You are acting like an asshole. I really think there's a problem with the way you think about people. I was just trying to make the point that you do not know her and to assume those things about her simply based on the fact that she has this condition is wrong.
You assuming that you know her is as ludicrous as me assuming the things I said about you. You're being just as dumb as some of my post appeared to be.
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damn Aledo is 5 minutes away from my town lol
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On October 20 2008 09:43 Mooga wrote:
This is disgusting, selfish behavior by the kids of that school.
It is all too clear that the self-conscious, middle-class, pampered students who voted for her are simply devaluing the importance of winning the homecoming queen contest, essentially saying "Fuck you, if I'm not popular enough to win, then I'll vote for someone to make a mockery of this whole contest." Thus, these students are not voting out of sympathy for a person with Down Syndrome, but they are simply voting out of hatred of outwardly attractive people based on their own insecure beliefs that someone might actually be more attractive than herself.
I hate to say it or agree with it, but it's the truth. You want to know why I think that? Because the same thing happens at my school.
Last year an extremely unattractive and stupid guy was chosen as our prince, why? Because of exactly that, people felt that if they couldn't win, why not make a mockery of it and have someone ridiculous win. Same thing happened with a girl freshman year. This year both the freshman winner and the sophomore winner (the guys) at our school were openly gay. You think they were chosen for their friendly personality and outlook on life? No, they were chosen as a joke, a joke the entire class was "in on". The people chosen even knew there was no reason they were chosen except to mock them, making the entire experience terrible for them, devoid of all value that was there.
I cannot speak for the situation at this particular school. For all I know I'm an asshole and this girl is genuinely nice and deserving. However given what I know about high school, this is most likely the same type of deal, but no one would dare admit it was a "mockery" in public in this situation.
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School is bad enough already, cant you guys let go of all the assholeness of it for a moment and be happy for the retarded kid ?
So what it if it was a mockery pick, its not like she wont remember and enjoy it for the rest of her life.
Theres more to things than jokes.
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Really agree with iheartgna's reaction.
AdamBanks you made me sigh when you said 5% of people are attractive. Using that as an argument for your position is just, well, sigh. Guess you should pull out your stats source next time ? lol
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On October 20 2008 05:33 AdamBanks wrote:
1. Only 5% of the total population is 'attractive by societal measures' (basing this on the FACT that only 5% of people have or can have the ideal body type)
Fact?? Source please.
If you think that a person needs to have "the ideal body type" to be "attractive by social measures" then that's pretty sad.
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On October 20 2008 11:24 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2008 08:41 iheartgna wrote:
I'm not really trying to get at him; I wish I could portray my thoughts better without sounding like an asshole but I cannot. Though it may not be his fault he sounded moronic, he did. Though it is not her fault that she is physically deformed and mentally retarded, she is. If you remove the bad connotation of these ideas then they are just characteristics. If she looked and acted the same way but did not have down syndrome she would not have won, end of story. You are acting like an asshole. I really think there's a problem with the way you think about people. I was just trying to make the point that you do not know her and to assume those things about her simply based on the fact that she has this condition is wrong. You assuming that you know her is as ludicrous as me assuming the things I said about you. You're being just as dumb as some of my post appeared to be.
I think you're being more of an asshole than he is though :/
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I don't think appearence is an issnue here because those two girls standing next to her are not physically attractive either.
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At my high school our homecoming king won (deservingly so) because he survived a serious bout with cancer last year. And our 2nd runner up was gay, but a very nice guy.
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That school is so nice compared to my school.
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Osaka27178 Posts
Wow, isn't it so easy to be cynical behind the keyboard. Guessing the motives of people you don't know makes you look callow and weak. So many of you are willing to write the girl off because of some vague concept you have of her disability.
She is hideous, the fuck?
Obviously, it was a pity vote. Like someone else said, Homecoming Kings and Queens are supposed to be attractive, that's how it works everywhere. It's nothing but a fucking image contest.
And Goddamn is her forehead huge too.
And that is ban worthy.
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