EPTThe High School Homecoming Queen is... - Page 3
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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AdamBanks
Canada996 Posts
I'm a little sad in reading your responses strafe...I felt you had a higher view of people and were not the type of person to make these kinds of generalizations. Edit: This thread in summary: People with downsyndrom cannot be 1. Popular 2.Attractive 3. Intelligent 4. Worthyor capable of winning silly highschool titles on their own. In addition to this if they are recoginized for having any of the first 3 qualities then its obviously attributed to the fact that other people pity her and not to the faact that she may have worked hard to achieve whatever it is you wish to take from her. Sometimes i really am sickened by the way people fail to recognize how wrong they think is...Just digest what you people have said in this thread.. it would fit in more easily in nazi germany then in the general forum.. | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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ktp
United States797 Posts
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AdamBanks
Canada996 Posts
On October 20 2008 04:37 ktp wrote: The stereotype here is not that a person with down syndrom cannot become homecoming queen, its the fact that people assume that those with disabilities or illnesses need special attention and special recognition. My cynicism is towards those that voted for her just because she has down syndrome. And how do you know they voted for her because she has downsyndom and not because she is popular? Your still making an assumption. | ||
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iheartgna
United States184 Posts
I can absolutely assure you that she is not: 1. Attractive by societal measures, at least aesthetically 2. Intelligent (Most people with down syndrome suffer from mental retardation) She may be "popular," but that doesn't mean that she has any true friends. People like her are often incapable of having meaningful relationships even within their own families. | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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AdamBanks
Canada996 Posts
On October 20 2008 05:11 iheartgna wrote: @ Adam Banks I can absolutely assure you that she is not: 1. Attractive by societal measures, at least aesthetically 2. Intelligent (Most people with down syndrome suffer from mental retardation) She may be "popular," but that doesn't mean that she has any true friends. People like her are often incapable of having meaningful relationships even within their own families. 1. Only 5% of the total population is 'attractive by societal measures' (basing this on the fact that only 5% of people have or can have the ideal body type) 2. Measures of intelligence are weak and fail to take into account the experiences of anyone who is not upperclass and white. You for instance would prolly score above 100 on the standard simon binnot (sp) iq test,i however without assistance would not score over 70. However given the proper help, in this case someone who can recite verbally the questions in english, i can; and have scored over 140. Now am i mentally retarded or am i a genious? Your jab at popularity also leads me to believe that you feel that anyone who is popular is too be looked down upon. People like you are often incapable of having meaningfull realitionships even with their own families. They often hate themselves so much they begin hate those around them because they are unable or unwilling to forgive the their own shortcommings or the flaws of those aruond them. I am sorry you probably have no true friends but your the problem here, not the girl with downsyndrom, or the people who voted for her. Its you and those like you who think that having downsyndrom makes you less then human. Who's more pitiful? | ||
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Slithe
United States985 Posts
They didn't vote for Kristin Pass, they voted for the girl with Down Syndrome. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
They didn't vote based on personality/looks/intelligence/etc. You can call it cynicism Is it more superficial to vote for someone based on looks than to try to bolster up the self perception of someone with down syndrome? There is no point in talking about the motivations behind the vote, because we just don't know. Regardless of the motivations I think it is impressive for a community of young kids to do this. | ||
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
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iheartgna
United States184 Posts
You passing judgement on me just seems silly. I never said anything about the girl in question that I'm sure wasn't true. I never said she was a bad person in any facet just that she was born with a very socially crippling disorder. Though most of what you said was irrelevant I will address it anyway. You for instance use the word "prolly," and your posts are riddled with rational incongruities and grammatical errors suggesting that you most definitely need help to get a 140 on a standard IQ test. Your defense of "Popularity" leads me to believe that you think that a person can judge his/her merit by the number of friends they have. You may be very popular and cling to it as you feel it is very important to be liked by all. Are you a genius or mentally retarded? Well, you couldn't spell "genius" correctly... | ||
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
On October 20 2008 06:01 Slithe wrote: I find it likely that most of the voters voted based on what their friends told them to do, and because it seemed like a nice thing to do. They didn't vote based on personality/looks/intelligence/etc. You can call it cynicism, but in my opinion, the people that think this is such a great story are naive. They didn't vote for Kristin Pass, they voted for the girl with Down Syndrome. This. "Guys wouldn't it really speak for our characters if we voted her in???????" | ||
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Slithe
United States985 Posts
My speculation on the motivations behind the vote are indeed mere assumptions, which is where the cynicism vs optimism comes into play. My problem with this is that people are voting to help the retarded kid, for the sake of the fact that it's the retarded kid. I believe that the way you worded your post reflects this: "to try to bolster up the self perception of someone with down syndrome". This was a vote that came from some superficial sense of charity and kindness. As such, in my eyes this "achievement" is shallow and has little meaning. | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
On October 19 2008 14:24 iheartgna wrote: Do you think any of them consider her their friend? Though, that may say nothing about the class because I imagine she is incapable of having real "friends." Homecoming Queen is supposed to be the face of your school. If you looked at a catalog of schools with only their name and a picture of their Homecoming Queen would you want that girl next to your school? Sure, why not? Do you have any experience with down syndrome that suggest otherwise? "Everyone loves Kristin," she said, "and I didn't know for sure, but in class everyone was like, 'Who are you voting for?' and everybody was like, 'Vote for Kristin, she's so good.' " Kristin doesn't care what's on the outside, Meaghan said. She's friends with everyone, and everyone admires that. | ||
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SickTighT
United States337 Posts
By some 'normal' people's standards perhaps we should redefine who is and who isn't a person...to include only the attractive smart ones... T_T | ||
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paper
13197 Posts
On October 20 2008 07:02 Schnake wrote: Sure, why not? Do you have any experience with down syndrome that suggest otherwise? "Everyone loves Kristin," she said, "and I didn't know for sure, but in class everyone was like, 'Who are you voting for?' and everybody was like, 'Vote for Kristin, she's so good.' " Kristin doesn't care what's on the outside, Meaghan said. She's friends with everyone, and everyone admires that. the whole basis of voting for her because she's "so good" and "friends with everyone" is only supporting the argument that everyone's voting for Down's Syndrome girl, not Kristin. i mean, how hard is it to not start shit with everyone and consider yourself "everyone's friend"? and can you even consider her a real friend? it's a nice story and all, but it doesn't give me that "aww, how special" feeling it tries to evoke. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
This was a vote that came from some superficial sense of charity and kindness. As such, in my eyes this "achievement" is shallow and has little meaning Superficial in what sense? It had a real impact on Kristin, her family, and set a good example for everyone in the high school. There is nothing superficial about that. Voting for the cute girl that dates the H.S. football QB is superficial. | ||
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pyogenes
Brazil1401 Posts
thats what i said! in a not so eloquent manner  | ||
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