EPTThe High School Homecoming Queen is... - Page 6
| Forum Index > General Forum |
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
| ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Because if you look at reality, they're often treated as such. | ||
|
anch
United States5457 Posts
"If you vote for this person, would you hit her?" This is pretty much wacked, + Show Spoiler + almost the same as voting a fat chick out of 7 other chicks. thus, making the other 7 candidates ''shitty". | ||
|
Frits
11782 Posts
I don't see a problem with electing her by the way, people with DS certainly are more fun than dumb bimbo's who only think about their hair all day. At least people with DS have an excuse for that. Noone feels sorry for her because there's nothing to feel sorry for. Just a nice gesture, that's it, nothing sad about it. woa check out my postcount | ||
|
minus_human
4784 Posts
On October 20 2008 03:15 TeCh)PsylO wrote: Wow, you guys are cynical. I think whether or not she truly is popular with people(something we have no reason to doubt) or if this was a pity vote, is irrelevant. Either way the people in her high school have been "big" enough to prevent this from being a bigger disadvantage than it already is by putting her on the same social level, so to speak. For a bunch of high school kids, I think that is impressive. Impressive? LOL. No. It's rather pathetic that you fuel your own ego, and make yourself feel good about something, using another person (and specifically a disabled person) in the proccess (I'm referring to the persons who did this, not to you). Did she really want to be queen? Did she expressed this desire? I don't think so, and even if she did, it's basically a discrimination based upon her flaw, which actually puts her mental condition in an even stronger light. On the other hand, it's not okay to just ignore someone suffering from Down synd. and pretend you never see them, because in most normal, objective circumstances they wouldn't stand a chance against normal people. That's an even worse discrimination. I guess it's really dependent on if she wanted to become queen. In case she did, it may be a great act of encouragement towards her, and it IS nice to see some kids do it, but if she had no ideea that it was going to happen, then it basically went like: "OMG WE"RE SO COOL AND BIG HEARTED, WE ROCK" | ||
|
minus_human
4784 Posts
On October 23 2008 09:33 Frits wrote: I don't see a problem with electing her by the way, people with DS certainly are more fun than dumb bimbo's who only think about their hair all day. I so agree with this. The whole nature of the event is rather curious, and I certainly wouldn't give a rats ass if something like this was a custom where I live. It's so superficial and stupid, imho. | ||
|
strongwind
United States862 Posts
| ||
|
himurakenshin
Canada1845 Posts
| ||
|
Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
Pick the one you pity the most? Well ontopic, I don't know really know what I should make of this. If I put myself in that girls position, I would know that I probably didnt deserve it, and that people voted for me couse they felt sorry for me. I dont know, I might be wrong, but if this gave her a self-esteem boost or whatever, then im happy for her =) | ||
|
Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On October 21 2008 19:14 Slithe wrote: On some level, I want to say fine, it's better to do it than not, even if I believe the motivation is incorrect. On the other hand, I feel like it's not a good thing because it promotes behavior that I believe is fundamentally wrong. The behavior that I speak of is the subtle patronization of Kristin in the form of the "pity" vote. It's kind of like this: a lot of people do great things in the name of their religion (charity, community service, etc). But even if they do these great things, they're doing it because their religion dictates that they should, not because they actually think it is the moral thing to do. If their religion is wrong, then the whole foundation for their actions is flawed. In the long run, I think that this trend of doing the right thing for the wrong reasons will be more hurtful than helpful, and we should first consider our reasons before following through with our actions. You're fucking delusional. Someone giving to charity to feel better about themselves (ie: doing something good for the wrong reasons) does infinitely more good than the person who buys themself a big screen TV. They might not be a better person for their actions, but who the fuck cares; the net good increased. Would these people be any better people if they had voted for someone who was pretty? Would they be better people if they had voted for someone who was smart but ugly? Cause i am inclined to believe their motives behind voting someone homecoming queen have very little bearing on how good of a person someone is. But the one person who is going to take alot away from this experience - alot of good from this experience, is the girl who won. Her life was made better because of the way the other students voted; isn't that a good thing? Who the fuck cares if their motives were superficial or genuine? congratulations to all you geniuses who managed to figure out that the vote may have been a pity. wow, good for you!. you still seemed to have missed the big picture. edit - if the girl was upset about the ordeal or had taken something bad away from this experience, you guys might have alot more ground. But the opposite is the case, isn't that a great thing? | ||
|
Dagor
Germany64 Posts
On October 30 2008 01:36 himurakenshin wrote: Hey I don't mean to be rude or insensitive or anything, but its an honest question. I remember in my highschool biology class my teacher told us that a defining characteristic of a species is that they all have the same number of chromosomes. Down Syndrome kids have 47 whereas all other humans are 46. Are they really humans then? Plus all organisms on earth have even numbers of chromosomes (pairs). Your teacher wasn't very well informed then. The number of Chromosoms is certainly not enough to define a species. The definition itself is actually not so simple if you look closer at the problem so i wont go into it any further. But it is important to realize that the term "species" is an artificial classification invented by humans. The second thing is that not all species have even chromosome numbers. The male Muntjak for example has seven chromosomes (2n = 7), four autosomes and three gonosomes (x,y,y). The female Muntjak by the way has only six chromosomes but they still are the same species. | ||
|
Kong John
Denmark1020 Posts
| ||
|
ZeeTemplar
United States557 Posts
The standard of having the hottest girl /or most popular girl was just boring. I could use a better word but Im in Lab at the moment haha so im trying to type this up pretty quick now. Anywho congrats to this girl either way [edit] Traditional is the word i was looking for.  | ||
|
Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On October 30 2008 05:49 Kong John wrote: So she won becourse people pity her? Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. If i sign up for TSL and i my one finger is fucked in some way i shouldt win just becourse i try so hard.Its not about who tries the most its about whos the best, or in this case the prettiest says who? it seems to me that every person who votes for their homecoming queen has an equal right to say what a homecoming queen is. and this school made their choice. G_G? | ||
|
BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On October 29 2008 04:39 minus_human wrote: Did she really want to be queen? Did she expressed this desire? I don't think so, and even if she did, it's basically a discrimination based upon her flaw, which actually puts her mental condition in an even stronger light. On the other hand, it's not okay to just ignore someone suffering from Down synd. and pretend you never see them, because in most normal, objective circumstances they wouldn't stand a chance against normal people. That's an even worse discrimination. Of course she wanted to become queen, why else would her name be on the ballot But I like the summation of your post. You're basically saying "When I see retards on the street I don't stare, but I'm careful not to look away. See, because I want the retards to feel compfortable." | ||
|
KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
| ||
Smurg
Canada3819 Posts
Like giving an award to a kid in a wheelchair. I would, if they could do mad tricks, then it'd be "you are a person in a wheel-chair who can do mad tricks." You'd be more impressed because they are in a wheelchair, but mainly you'd be evaluating them on their skills in the chair, and giving them an award accordingly. I mean, when will the award for "Best Person with Downs Syndrome" be given out? The true test, would be if there were 4-5 other people with Downs Syndrome at the prom, in fact that'd be awesome. Who would win? What basis would they have to win? Also imagine if all the people at a school had Downs Syndrome except for one. Would they win the king/queen of the prom? Interesting questions, troubled times... | ||
|
paper
13197 Posts
On October 30 2008 11:43 Smurg wrote: The true test, would be if there were 4-5 other people with Downs Syndrome at the prom, in fact that'd be awesome. Who would win? What basis would they have to win? Also imagine if all the people at a school had Downs Syndrome except for one. Would they win the king/queen of the prom? Interesting questions, troubled times... LOL | ||
|
Elite00fm
United States548 Posts
This is even less important than the time I was watching a kid being interviewed because his bike got stolen | ||
|
Kong John
Denmark1020 Posts
On October 30 2008 06:48 Mora wrote: says who? it seems to me that every person who votes for their homecoming queen has an equal right to say what a homecoming queen is. and this school made their choice. G_G? Sure thats true but you still shouldnt let someone win out of pity, this is an odd display of a person who has a malfunktion and gets shown becourse of it. You shouldnt show a person just becourse of their disability, but for who they are. That said, she won the contest becourse she normally wouldnt have been able to and becourse of her inability they let her win. I think thats discriminating. | ||
| ||
