2008 US Presidential Election - Page 9

On October 14 2008 11:20 evandi wrote:


Oh, I promise you. I will not look at any website or anything. I e-pinky swear. Scouts honor.

Socialism is where everybody is everybody else's business.

Its where wealth is redistributed to make everything fair and everything is shared.

On October 14 2008 11:28 Jibba wrote:

No one is talking about pure socialism, and I think most people here agree that capitalism is more efficient and drives development faster than any other system (besides authoritarianism for periods of time.) The question is whether efficiency should be the ultimate ideal we strive for in America or whether we should strive for fairness. You might counter that any bit of socialism isn't fair, which in many cases it is not, but there is empirical and rational evidence that pure capitalism causes exploitation as well, given that the entire concept is BUILT around self interested gains aka greed.

I don't think greed is evil, it's quite natural and capitalism uses it for the benefit of society. Still, I believe a certain level of intervention and control is needed to attain an environment most conducive to overall happiness, which should be the ultimate goal for society. At some level, you have to agree with this as well so stop speaking about extremes and make the case for what type of capitalist/socialist distribution you think is best for society.

On October 14 2008 12:40 Jibba wrote:
It's got less to do with her looks and more to do with I've been saying what she said since the start of the election, and no one on any news network has said "it would be fine if he was a Muslim."

On October 14 2008 12:19 ahrara_ wrote:
You're a moderate Savio, not a conservative.

On October 14 2008 12:26 D10 wrote:
In different circunstances, Evandi would be arguing with Savio.

The Washington lobbyist John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.

The two lobbyists who McCain aide William Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein's government.

-- Holcom:
Take a look at this photo.

Obama, right, was dressed as a Somali elder during a visit in August 2006 to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya near the borders with Somalia and Ethiopia. (AP)


This guy could be the future leader of our country?
I don't have problems with other cultures, but I think that if a person is going to run a country, he or she should have especially strong ties to the culture of that country. Can we say that this is true of Barack Obama?

-- Holcom:
“It is debatable whether he even has genuine strong ties to the culture of this country. Even so, this raises a question of judgment considering that at this point in time he was preparing to run for the presidency and had to have known that his ties to Islam, real or not, would be a point of contention. Why would he feel that he needs to abandon his representation of his own country to placate some obscure dignitaries at a non-important event? Would these Somalis wear Mickey Mouse ears if they visited Disneyland? They would be outraged and refuse to participate if we asked them anything in conflict with their religion, which is of course their right. . . .
Watch the reaction to this – you can be sure that the media will ignore the fact that this did happen, and not comment on the significance of the act. Rather it will focus its attention and outrage on the idea that Hilary’s campaign would stoop to such smear tactics. We need to face facts - Hilary has always been generally disliked (rightfully so), and was only in favor as long as there was no other popular candidate. Obama has now been made into the “chosen one,” and has much better advisors than Hilary. When he does his dirty work, they make sure there is no trail that leads to him. . . .
The most crucial point here is that either Obama is compromising his own dignity and culture to show tolerance to people who practice intolerance (and in fact see tolerance in others as weakness to be exploited) or is embracing his “real” culture. Both are major causes for concern.”

-- Holcom:
My dad is right. If we’re picking the leader of our country, shouldn’t it be someone who proudly exhibits symbols of America (even something as small as the absence of that little American flag lapel pin speaks volumes). Shouldn’t it be someone who is proud enough to represent his (or her) own country, especially when visiting others?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to choose someone who has say, oh, I don’t know, 23 years experience in the United States military? Someone who served only 4 years as a Congressman before being elected to replace the great Barry Goldwater as a United States senator in Arizona (a position he has held for 24 years)? Someone who has always stood his ground firmly, even when under fire by fellow party members? (By the way, anyone who can stand up to his friends can certainly stand strong against his enemies). How about someone who we can say, over the course of his lifetime, has always been proud of his country and would protect it from those who want to destroy it by any means necessary?
Keep all this in mind when you cast your vote for the President of the United States of America. And don’t worry; I’ll be sure to remind you all come November

On October 14 2008 13:01 Savio wrote:


Thats a hard thing to measure since the GOP has strayed from conservatism.

But I do admit that I am not a libertarian.