EPTIn other words, they're getting a subsidy, not a 'tax cut'.
McCain's health care credit amounts to a subsidy for many people, so it is a fruitless attack.
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
McCain's health care credit amounts to a subsidy for many people, so it is a fruitless attack. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On October 29 2008 07:35 Mindcrime wrote: What would be the point in that? McCain is no James K. Polk. That is simply not true. its like immunization. I would say that these drummed up controversies, wright, ayers, elitist etc, arent effective both because the Obama campaign responds properly to them and because they were already brought up multiple times early in the campaign and in the primaries. So now, the networks tend to devote less time to these repeats, and the average voter is already exposed to them. So if the voter was going to be brought over by those controversies they already would be, if they arent hardcore anti-obama and interested in the ellection, they probably already seen his campaign address it, or have looked online to see how its out of context. So while repeating these old controversies further polarizes the electorate; the republicans buy in and distrust obama even more, the democrats denounce republican sleaziness more etc etc I dont think this late in the campaign its actually swinging many votes. This socialism thing had a good chance of taking off, but it followed a pitiable mccain campaign hoax, Obama has responded to it properly, and more networks are devoting time to fact checking | ||
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Funnytoss
Taiwan1471 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
damn all taxes are mad high what the fuck are our politicias thinking | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
pretty cool | ||
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Meiya
Australia1169 Posts
Just another example of how dangerous Palin would be if given much more power than she has the ability to properly use. | ||
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Tyraz
New Zealand310 Posts
lol does she even know where NZ is!? Edit: I honesty didn't believe they could find someone more incompetent than bush... How many more of these people do you HAVE!? | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Hitchens rulz This is what the Republican Party has done to us this year: It has placed within reach of the Oval Office a woman who is a religious fanatic and a proud, boastful ignoramus. Those who despise science and learning are not anti-elitist. They are morally and intellectually slothful people who are secretly envious of the educated and the cultured. And those who prate of spiritual warfare and demons are not just "people of faith" but theocratic bullies. On Nov. 4, anyone who cares for the Constitution has a clear duty to repudiate this wickedness and stupidity. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Jesus fucking christ. 1. Deterrence doesn't work so well for chemical weapons 2. Anyone can make a chemical weapon, you can't just blame a fucking country 3. Why the fuck would you expand the nuclear arsenal? Our conventional weapons can already deliver comparable blasts to nuclear weapons, Why on earth would you want the extra radiation/fires/horribleness that actually PREVENT us from entering the area. | ||
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Bifur
Russian Federation1208 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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Locke.
Israel562 Posts
the mccain/palin ticket is unacceptable cause of so many obvious reasons, even before saying one word about their actual policies. A VP who can't talk and knows nothing, a 72 yo cancer survivor who just gets angry all the time, can't communicate intelligently etc. etc. Is it really a "democracy" if one side is being so misrepresented by dumb, incompetent leaders. This election is not really a discussion between people on the left side and people on the right side it is about who can string a bunch of sentences that make sense. I have heard republicans who describe what should be done about the economic crisis and frankly some of them make a lot of sense. But their views aren't even part of the election because it's all about Palin not managing to finish a sentence or saying what newspapers she reads. Anyone who has a bit of intelligence can see that Palin as VP is unacceptable so naturally they'll support the other guy. Is that really a democracy if that's the process of election? I greece the old and smart people came together and decided who they want to lead based on who they were and what they said. In a modern "democracy" especially as big as the USA this concept seems to have been lost. Obama is a great man, he makes amazing speeches, he is very intelligent he is definetly a worthy candidate. But in the end this election robs americans of the true abillity to intelligently vote. I never thought this would be necessary but it seems like nominees should have to pass basic tests to assure they are fitting to represent people. On second thought maybe citizens should also pass some basic test to cast their vote  | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10568 Posts
On October 30 2008 02:36 Locke. wrote: a 72 yo cancer survivor who just gets angry all the time, can't communicate intelligently etc. etc. lol? | ||
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Locke.
Israel562 Posts
My point is not that she is dumb and therefore people shouldn't vote for her. My point is that she is ridiculously far from being the best representation of a large group of people, whose oppinion she is supposed to represent. | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On October 30 2008 03:06 Locke. wrote: My point is not that she is dumb and therefore people shouldn't vote for her. It sure sounds like that's what you are saying when write things like "a VP who can't talk and knows nothing". At the very least, that's a wildly unbalanced statement about a governor of a state, who moreover has defeated a powerful encumbant to get there. My point is that she is ridiculously far from being the best representation of a large group of people, whose oppinion she is supposed to represent. A large subset of that large group of people would take an exception to that. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
I mean I for one trust her to fix the econ-basically its got to be about job creation | ||
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Locke.
Israel562 Posts
That being said watching things from the outside it really does seem pretty crazy, and it does look like the selection of Sarah Palin is very odd. I am not saying it from the point of someone trying to ridicule the republican party and support the democrats. In fact in some issues I agree more with the republican's ideas rather than the democrats. More than that, as an Israeli from what I heard Obama I would most likely prefer a republican representative. What I am saying is that sadly, this things become irrelevant if one of the candidates doesn't know enough about basic issues to stand ground with other intelligent people. It seems that the republicans aren't being represented well in this election and there are a lot of reasons, not related to actual issues why someone would choose not to vote for Palin. | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On October 30 2008 03:29 fusionsdf wrote: when it comes to national issues, she basically does know nothing. I mean I for one trust her to fix the econ-basically its got to be about job creation On the economy, from what I gather Obama would be far worse than a cactus. | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On October 30 2008 03:35 Locke. wrote: emm... ok first of all I'm sorry for being a little harsh in my descriptions. My words were too generalized and offensive and I can understand why you were offended. That being said watching things from the outside it really does seem pretty crazy, and it does look like the selection of Sarah Palin is very odd. I am not saying it from the point of someone trying to ridicule the republican party and support the democrats. In fact in some issues I agree more with the republican's ideas rather than the democrats. More than that, as an Israeli from what I heard Obama I would most likely prefer a republican representative. What I am saying is that sadly, this things become irrelevant if one of the candidates doesn't know enough about basic issues to stand ground with other intelligent people. It seems that the republicans aren't being represented well in this election and there are a lot of reasons, not related to actual issues why someone would choose not to vote for Palin. I think you are operating under the assumption that both parties want what's best for the country and all of its citizens - as opposed to any noncitizen or only certain subgroups of its citizens. If that were the case, it would be reasonable to conclude that, in the absence of further information, you can't go wrong with the most intelligent-seeming candidate. Having said that, it is true that Sarah Palin's debut on the national stage was either premature or grossly mishandled by the McCain campaign -- even taking into account the savage treatment from the mainstream media. I wouldn't attribute any of this to Palin's intelligence, of which we simply don't have a very good idea right now (other than the fact that she's no genius). | ||
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