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Terranesque
Profile Joined September 2007
119 Posts
June 28 2008 07:50 GMT
#1
http://www.minussleep.com/
Very interesting blog of somebody who just started on the uberman sleep schedule.

Rumor has it he is going massive BW gaming.
Goosey
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States695 Posts
June 28 2008 09:20 GMT
#2
I would go dig out all my old debunkings on the subject of the uberman sleep schedule, but I am too tired.

Seriously though, when I first heard of the concept it took ahold of me for several weeks. I was obsessed with finding everything I could about it and scoured the internet for any information (both pro and con).

My conclusion at the end is anyone who thinks this is sustainable long term (for more than several months) is fooling themselves. The longest I had run across anyone doing it was something like 2 years, although investigating their blogging from the start to finish it became painful to see... I dunno, their spark die or something. All the joy and creativity that was in their earlier posts was completely sucked out over time. The worst thing was that the change was gradual enough that they couldn't recognize it in themselves.

I am not saying this as a nay-sayer.. I really, really wanted to find out that ubermann is safe and the benefits as fantastic as some of it's proponents say. I wanted to do it for myself and use the extra time to pursue the dream of being an independent developer.. It simply isn't safe in the long term. :|
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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-28 09:24:53
June 28 2008 09:24 GMT
#3
maybe if you were extremely passionate about something else that kept you awake with minimal sleep while you worked ... otherwise ... doing it for the sake of doing it seems to be

useless :\
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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
June 28 2008 09:25 GMT
#4
It's just gonna mess you up after awhile. The guy from that site also comes across as pretty retarded.
5HITCOMBO
Profile Joined March 2006
Japan2239 Posts
June 28 2008 10:29 GMT
#5
You know, the main reason why people who abuse methamphetamine are messed up is not because the drug makes them crazy; it's because the drug makes them stay up for like 5 days straight, and the lack of sleep makes them crazy.
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Dantak
Profile Joined January 2006
Czech Republic648 Posts
June 28 2008 10:49 GMT
#6
On June 28 2008 18:20 Goosey wrote:
I would go dig out all my old debunkings on the subject of the uberman sleep schedule, but I am too tired.

Seriously though, when I first heard of the concept it took ahold of me for several weeks. I was obsessed with finding everything I could about it and scoured the internet for any information (both pro and con).

My conclusion at the end is anyone who thinks this is sustainable long term (for more than several months) is fooling themselves. The longest I had run across anyone doing it was something like 2 years, although investigating their blogging from the start to finish it became painful to see... I dunno, their spark die or something. All the joy and creativity that was in their earlier posts was completely sucked out over time. The worst thing was that the change was gradual enough that they couldn't recognize it in themselves.

I am not saying this as a nay-sayer.. I really, really wanted to find out that ubermann is safe and the benefits as fantastic as some of it's proponents say. I wanted to do it for myself and use the extra time to pursue the dream of being an independent developer.. It simply isn't safe in the long term. :|


Great post, could you elaborate more on the subject of those blog-posters? Like link to their blogs? I was thinking about trying it about 4 months ago but came to conclusion that it could be too bad for my overall health
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HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
June 28 2008 11:01 GMT
#7
The blog on that site... is fucking retarded?

While it's true we sleep according to the Earth's sun cycle, it is more than just because we currently live on Earth. All organisms here are acclimated to the same sun cycle, biologically so. Consequently, even if we left Earth to populate other planets or solar systems, our evolved biology would still be tied to the canonical earth-sun cycle.
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Dagor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany64 Posts
June 28 2008 11:39 GMT
#8
lol! Nice way to shorten your lifespan by a decade or so. But i guess some things are best learned through experience x_x
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
June 28 2008 14:53 GMT
#9
He can use that time to think of what to write on his grave. Reminds me of the Korean/Chinese gamers that died from playing games nonstop.
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bboyldy
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Korea (North)664 Posts
June 28 2008 15:40 GMT
#10
hes tryin to pull off a heath ledger
expressing myself through the form of dancing
bash9
Profile Joined February 2008
25 Posts
June 28 2008 15:49 GMT
#11
He can use that time to think of what to write on his grave. Reminds me of the Korean/Chinese gamers that died from playing games nonstop.

They died of dehydration rather than sleep deprivation.

Here's an interesting link (PDF): http://www.spokane.wsu.edu/researchoutreach/Sleep/documents/2003SLP-VanDongen-etal.pdf
Summary: if you sleep regularly (but not enough) you won't feel as sleepy but your productivity will be significantly reduced over time

They didn't examine segmented sleep, but my guess is that their results would carry over. You might, after getting used to it, not feel very sleepy, but your productivity would probably be significantly reduced if you make too many (more than 16~) waking hours / day.

Interestingly enough, according to wikipedia, splitting your sleep over (longer) night sleep and a midday nap seems to be a fairly natural sleeping pattern for humans with no ill effects. That contradicts what most people have told me, that you have to get your 8 hours all in one block or it won't be as effective.
Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
June 28 2008 15:54 GMT
#12
Here's a blogger's report on trying it for about 6 months:
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/10/polyphasic-sleep/
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
June 28 2008 16:01 GMT
#13
he's going to kill his IQ...
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Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4640 Posts
June 28 2008 16:06 GMT
#14
On June 29 2008 01:01 evanthebouncy! wrote:
he's going to kill his IQ...

Just download more.
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expostfacto
Profile Joined December 2002
United States365 Posts
June 28 2008 18:25 GMT
#15
On June 29 2008 00:49 bash9 wrote:

Here's an interesting link (PDF): http://www.spokane.wsu.edu/researchoutreach/Sleep/documents/2003SLP-VanDongen-etal.pdf
Summary: if you sleep regularly (but not enough) you won't feel as sleepy but your productivity will be significantly reduced over time

They didn't examine segmented sleep, but my guess is that their results would carry over.


There really hasn't been enough research on this, but the one study I do know of suggests that segmented sleep can keep you productive with far less hours.

http://www.pbs.org/saf/transcripts/transcript105.htm#5

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Loverman
Profile Joined September 2007
Romania266 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-28 19:58:24
June 28 2008 19:57 GMT
#16
As far as I know the only efficient sleep schedule is, sleep-early-get-up-early. When I used to work I went to bed at 22:00 and woke up at 4:30-5:00 by myself, although work was at 8:30 and I only needed 50 minutes to get there. Nowadays I go to bed after 00:00 and wake up at 11:00-12:00 ._.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
June 28 2008 20:28 GMT
#17
On June 29 2008 03:25 expostfacto wrote:
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On June 29 2008 00:49 bash9 wrote:

Here's an interesting link (PDF): http://www.spokane.wsu.edu/researchoutreach/Sleep/documents/2003SLP-VanDongen-etal.pdf
Summary: if you sleep regularly (but not enough) you won't feel as sleepy but your productivity will be significantly reduced over time

They didn't examine segmented sleep, but my guess is that their results would carry over.


There really hasn't been enough research on this, but the one study I do know of suggests that segmented sleep can keep you productive with far less hours.

http://www.pbs.org/saf/transcripts/transcript105.htm#5




I don't have anything besides anecdotal evidence, for me my most productive times are when I have a larger block of sleep at night (4-5 hours maybe) and then a nap about half that during mid afternoon. It ends up being around 6 hours of sleep instead of 8. Typically I only do that for a few months at a time though and then switch back into a 8 hour nightly block.

I've done some research on the uberman as well and came to the same conclusion Goosey did, It seems like someone makes a new blog about trying it every few months and I haven't seen anyone sustain it for very long.
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
June 28 2008 20:49 GMT
#18
Can anyone elaborate on exactly what this is And what the purpose of it is?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 28 2008 21:06 GMT
#19
doing it for the sake of doing it seems to be

useless :\

If it worked with no side effects, adding years of awake time to your life would certainly not be useless.

Can anyone elaborate on exactly what this is And what the purpose of it is?

It's 20 minutes of sleep, every 4 hours iirc. That means you're only asleep for 2 hours a day. The idea is that your body eventually learns how to jump into REM sleep, which is supposedly the only kind of sleep you need to live (and the rest is just.. rest; which is you're not an adult, you need anyway and shouldn't do this).

I've heard some navy programs have done this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep

Dr. Claudio Stampi, as a result of his interest in long-distance solo boat racing, has studied the systematic timing of short naps as a means of ensuring optimal performance in situations where extreme sleep deprivation is inevitable, but he does not advocate ultrashort napping as a lifestyle.[3] Scientific American Frontiers (PBS) has reported on Stampi's 49-day experiment where a young man napped for a total of three hours per day. It purportedly shows that all stages of sleep were included.[4] Stampi has written about his research in his book "Why We Nap: Evolution, Chronobiology, and Functions of Polyphasic and Ultrashort Sleep" (1992).

The US military has studied fatigue countermeasures. An Air Force report states:

"Each individual nap should be long enough to provide at least 45 continuous minutes of sleep, although longer naps (2 hours) are better. In general, the shorter each individual nap is, the more frequent the naps should be (the objective remains to acquire a daily total of 8 hours of sleep)."[5]

Similarly, the Canadian Marine Pilots in their trainer's handbook report that:

"[u]nder extreme circumstances where sleep cannot be achieved continuously, research on napping shows that 10- to 20-minute naps at regular intervals during the day can help relieve some of the sleep deprivation and thus maintain minimum levels of performance for several days. However, researchers caution that levels of performance achieved using ultrashort sleep (short naps) to temporarily replace normal sleep, are always well below that achieved when fully rested."[6]

NASA, in cooperation with the National Space Biomedical Research Institute, has funded research on napping. Despite NASA recommendations that astronauts sleep 8 hours a day when in space, they usually have trouble sleeping 8 hours at a stretch, so the agency needs to know about the optimal length, timing and effect of naps. Professor David Dinges of the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine led research in a laboratory setting on sleep schedules which combined various amounts of "anchor sleep," ranging from about 4 to 8 hours in length, with daily naps of 0 to 2.5 hours. Longer naps were found to be better, with some cognitive functions benefiting more from napping than others. Vigilance and basic alertness benefited the least while working memory benefited greatly. Naps in the individual subjects' biological daytime worked well, but naps in their nighttime were followed by much greater sleep inertia lasting up to an hour.[7]


Gist of that is that, polyphasic sleep is possible, but that those who practice it have been shown to perform not as well as they would on a normal sleep schedule.
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bash9
Profile Joined February 2008
25 Posts
June 28 2008 21:09 GMT
#20
There really hasn't been enough research on this, but the one study I do know of suggests that segmented sleep can keep you productive with far less hours.

Stampi has shown that polyphasic sleep can improve cognitive performance in conditions of sleep deprivation as compared with monophasic sleep: Individuals sleeping for 30 minutes every four hours, for a daily total of only 3 hours of sleep, performed better and were more alert, compared to when they had 3 hours of uninterrupted sleep. In other words, under conditions of dramatic sleep reduction, it is more efficient to recharge the sleep "battery" more often. Many use this as the argument for the superiority of polyphasic sleep, while silently skirting around the fact that Stampi also notes that the performance on polyphasic schedule is still far less than that in free running sleep conditions.

In other words, Stampi agrees with the study I linked.

Here is some more information: http://www.supermemo.com/articles/polyphasic.htm
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