EPTVery interesting blog of somebody who just started on the uberman sleep schedule.
Rumor has it he is going massive BW gaming.
Going on with minimal sleep? Possible?
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Terranesque
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Very interesting blog of somebody who just started on the uberman sleep schedule. Rumor has it he is going massive BW gaming. | ||
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Goosey
United States695 Posts
 Seriously though, when I first heard of the concept it took ahold of me for several weeks. I was obsessed with finding everything I could about it and scoured the internet for any information (both pro and con). My conclusion at the end is anyone who thinks this is sustainable long term (for more than several months) is fooling themselves. The longest I had run across anyone doing it was something like 2 years, although investigating their blogging from the start to finish it became painful to see... I dunno, their spark die or something. All the joy and creativity that was in their earlier posts was completely sucked out over time. The worst thing was that the change was gradual enough that they couldn't recognize it in themselves. I am not saying this as a nay-sayer.. I really, really wanted to find out that ubermann is safe and the benefits as fantastic as some of it's proponents say. I wanted to do it for myself and use the extra time to pursue the dream of being an independent developer.. It simply isn't safe in the long term. :| | ||
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paper
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Frits
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5HITCOMBO
Japan2239 Posts
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Dantak
Czech Republic648 Posts
On June 28 2008 18:20 Goosey wrote: I would go dig out all my old debunkings on the subject of the uberman sleep schedule, but I am too tired. Seriously though, when I first heard of the concept it took ahold of me for several weeks. I was obsessed with finding everything I could about it and scoured the internet for any information (both pro and con). My conclusion at the end is anyone who thinks this is sustainable long term (for more than several months) is fooling themselves. The longest I had run across anyone doing it was something like 2 years, although investigating their blogging from the start to finish it became painful to see... I dunno, their spark die or something. All the joy and creativity that was in their earlier posts was completely sucked out over time. The worst thing was that the change was gradual enough that they couldn't recognize it in themselves. I am not saying this as a nay-sayer.. I really, really wanted to find out that ubermann is safe and the benefits as fantastic as some of it's proponents say. I wanted to do it for myself and use the extra time to pursue the dream of being an independent developer.. It simply isn't safe in the long term. :| Great post, could you elaborate more on the subject of those blog-posters? Like link to their blogs? I was thinking about trying it about 4 months ago but came to conclusion that it could be too bad for my overall health | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
While it's true we sleep according to the Earth's sun cycle, it is more than just because we currently live on Earth. All organisms here are acclimated to the same sun cycle, biologically so. Consequently, even if we left Earth to populate other planets or solar systems, our evolved biology would still be tied to the canonical earth-sun cycle. | ||
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Dagor
Germany64 Posts
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
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bboyldy
Korea (North)664 Posts
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bash9
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He can use that time to think of what to write on his grave. Reminds me of the Korean/Chinese gamers that died from playing games nonstop. They died of dehydration rather than sleep deprivation. Here's an interesting link (PDF): http://www.spokane.wsu.edu/researchoutreach/Sleep/documents/2003SLP-VanDongen-etal.pdf Summary: if you sleep regularly (but not enough) you won't feel as sleepy but your productivity will be significantly reduced over time They didn't examine segmented sleep, but my guess is that their results would carry over. You might, after getting used to it, not feel very sleepy, but your productivity would probably be significantly reduced if you make too many (more than 16~) waking hours / day. Interestingly enough, according to wikipedia, splitting your sleep over (longer) night sleep and a midday nap seems to be a fairly natural sleeping pattern for humans with no ill effects. That contradicts what most people have told me, that you have to get your 8 hours all in one block or it won't be as effective. | ||
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Polemarch
Canada1564 Posts
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/10/polyphasic-sleep/ | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
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Hittegods
Stockholm4640 Posts
On June 29 2008 01:01 evanthebouncy! wrote: he's going to kill his IQ... Just download more. | ||
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expostfacto
United States365 Posts
On June 29 2008 00:49 bash9 wrote: Here's an interesting link (PDF): http://www.spokane.wsu.edu/researchoutreach/Sleep/documents/2003SLP-VanDongen-etal.pdf Summary: if you sleep regularly (but not enough) you won't feel as sleepy but your productivity will be significantly reduced over time They didn't examine segmented sleep, but my guess is that their results would carry over. There really hasn't been enough research on this, but the one study I do know of suggests that segmented sleep can keep you productive with far less hours. http://www.pbs.org/saf/transcripts/transcript105.htm#5 | ||
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Loverman
Romania266 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On June 29 2008 03:25 expostfacto wrote: There really hasn't been enough research on this, but the one study I do know of suggests that segmented sleep can keep you productive with far less hours. http://www.pbs.org/saf/transcripts/transcript105.htm#5 I don't have anything besides anecdotal evidence, for me my most productive times are when I have a larger block of sleep at night (4-5 hours maybe) and then a nap about half that during mid afternoon. It ends up being around 6 hours of sleep instead of 8. Typically I only do that for a few months at a time though and then switch back into a 8 hour nightly block. I've done some research on the uberman as well and came to the same conclusion Goosey did, It seems like someone makes a new blog about trying it every few months and I haven't seen anyone sustain it for very long. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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Chef
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doing it for the sake of doing it seems to be useless :\ If it worked with no side effects, adding years of awake time to your life would certainly not be useless. Can anyone elaborate on exactly what this is And what the purpose of it is? It's 20 minutes of sleep, every 4 hours iirc. That means you're only asleep for 2 hours a day. The idea is that your body eventually learns how to jump into REM sleep, which is supposedly the only kind of sleep you need to live (and the rest is just.. rest; which is you're not an adult, you need anyway and shouldn't do this). I've heard some navy programs have done this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep Dr. Claudio Stampi, as a result of his interest in long-distance solo boat racing, has studied the systematic timing of short naps as a means of ensuring optimal performance in situations where extreme sleep deprivation is inevitable, but he does not advocate ultrashort napping as a lifestyle.[3] Scientific American Frontiers (PBS) has reported on Stampi's 49-day experiment where a young man napped for a total of three hours per day. It purportedly shows that all stages of sleep were included.[4] Stampi has written about his research in his book "Why We Nap: Evolution, Chronobiology, and Functions of Polyphasic and Ultrashort Sleep" (1992). The US military has studied fatigue countermeasures. An Air Force report states: "Each individual nap should be long enough to provide at least 45 continuous minutes of sleep, although longer naps (2 hours) are better. In general, the shorter each individual nap is, the more frequent the naps should be (the objective remains to acquire a daily total of 8 hours of sleep)."[5] Similarly, the Canadian Marine Pilots in their trainer's handbook report that: "[u]nder extreme circumstances where sleep cannot be achieved continuously, research on napping shows that 10- to 20-minute naps at regular intervals during the day can help relieve some of the sleep deprivation and thus maintain minimum levels of performance for several days. However, researchers caution that levels of performance achieved using ultrashort sleep (short naps) to temporarily replace normal sleep, are always well below that achieved when fully rested."[6] NASA, in cooperation with the National Space Biomedical Research Institute, has funded research on napping. Despite NASA recommendations that astronauts sleep 8 hours a day when in space, they usually have trouble sleeping 8 hours at a stretch, so the agency needs to know about the optimal length, timing and effect of naps. Professor David Dinges of the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine led research in a laboratory setting on sleep schedules which combined various amounts of "anchor sleep," ranging from about 4 to 8 hours in length, with daily naps of 0 to 2.5 hours. Longer naps were found to be better, with some cognitive functions benefiting more from napping than others. Vigilance and basic alertness benefited the least while working memory benefited greatly. Naps in the individual subjects' biological daytime worked well, but naps in their nighttime were followed by much greater sleep inertia lasting up to an hour.[7] Gist of that is that, polyphasic sleep is possible, but that those who practice it have been shown to perform not as well as they would on a normal sleep schedule. | ||
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bash9
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There really hasn't been enough research on this, but the one study I do know of suggests that segmented sleep can keep you productive with far less hours. Stampi has shown that polyphasic sleep can improve cognitive performance in conditions of sleep deprivation as compared with monophasic sleep: Individuals sleeping for 30 minutes every four hours, for a daily total of only 3 hours of sleep, performed better and were more alert, compared to when they had 3 hours of uninterrupted sleep. In other words, under conditions of dramatic sleep reduction, it is more efficient to recharge the sleep "battery" more often. Many use this as the argument for the superiority of polyphasic sleep, while silently skirting around the fact that Stampi also notes that the performance on polyphasic schedule is still far less than that in free running sleep conditions. In other words, Stampi agrees with the study I linked. Here is some more information: http://www.supermemo.com/articles/polyphasic.htm | ||
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man
United States272 Posts
On June 28 2008 19:29 5HITCOMBO wrote: You know, the main reason why people who abuse methamphetamine are messed up is not because the drug makes them crazy; it's because the drug makes them stay up for like 5 days straight, and the lack of sleep makes them crazy. meth overloads the dopamine producers in the brain and can seriously damage/destroy them, lack of sleep is not the biggest problem | ||
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ohlala
Germany232 Posts
On June 29 2008 05:49 CharlieMurphy wrote: Can anyone elaborate on exactly what this is And what the purpose of it is? can u read? | ||
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5HITCOMBO
Japan2239 Posts
On June 29 2008 06:20 man wrote: meth overloads the dopamine producers in the brain and can seriously damage/destroy them, lack of sleep is not the biggest problem All dopaminic drugs do this. Cocaine, crack, marijuana, etc. Trust me, I do a lot of drug research, literary and otherwise. The lack of sleep produces much more delirium than the lack of dopamine does. All the d2 receptors do is make it harder for them to be happy. The paranoia and the hallucinations are all from lack of sleep. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
i myself tried it for a week, before AP/SAT/FINALS cram for 11th grade it was alright... it was like i was really high but it catches up to you, i was out like a light for an entire day, not to mention i was fucked up in the head for about 2 weeks and i went though sleep paralysis and hallucinations ; common symptoms of sleep deprivation but it was worth it 3 on english (fuck you paper over pennies!?because we all care about if the penny should be removed or not!) and 4 APUSH and ~2100 on SAT although i bombed by calc final i still passed! woo~ ;edit; but after reading that blog, i only used it for 5 days and apprantly those first few days are the hardest.. ?( Either way . . . anyone under 18 shouldn't try this, GG ur IQ if you do) u know, but dire situations call for drastic measures | ||
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Loverman
Romania266 Posts
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tec27
United States3698 Posts
On June 30 2008 06:20 Loverman wrote: Whats the relation between your IQ, being under 18 and trying this? Absolutely nothing. The only added risk if you're under 18 (aka not an adult) is you could still have growing to do, and sleep deprivation can have negative effects on that. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
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bluemanrocks
United States304 Posts
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TrainRape
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On June 29 2008 06:47 HeavOnEarth wrote: Einstein and Da Vinci used the uberman sleep schedule Bullshit | ||
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Elite00fm
United States548 Posts
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MarklarMarklar
Fiji1823 Posts
but i was at Peace & love festival, so about 4hours of sleep split up on 74.5~ hrs just woke up | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
The term "Da Vinci sleep" is often used as a synonym for polyphasic sleep. . . . as for einstein i don't know really , i just read it somewhere | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On June 30 2008 06:20 Loverman wrote: Whats the relation between your IQ, being under 18 and trying this? your brain grows... sleep deprivations corrupts that process. . . when ur ~18 brain is more or less complete | ||
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tec27
United States3698 Posts
On June 30 2008 13:41 HeavOnEarth wrote: The term "Da Vinci sleep" is often used as a synonym for polyphasic sleep. . . . Doesn't make it not bullshit. There's pretty solid proof neither of those guys were on this sleep schedule, *especially* Einstein. On June 30 2008 13:42 HeavOnEarth wrote: your brain grows... sleep deprivations corrupts that process. . . when ur ~18 brain is more or less complete Your brain is complete long before 18. The only problem with being less than 18 (although it would be more accurate at like 22) is that your body can still be growing. (That means you could still get taller, etc., not that your brain is still growing.) | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
1. Desire 2. Faith 3. Auto-suggestion 4. Specialized Knowledge 5. Imagination 6. Organized Planning 7. Decision 8. Persistence 9. The Master Mind 10. The Mystery of Sex Transmutation 11. The Subconscious Mind 12. The Brain 13. The Sixth Sense ... and outwit your Fears ( Napoleon Hill ) bit off topic.. but with something to think about make it a great day, the choice is yours :o | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
On the other hand I've heard taking a 15 minute nap mid-day is more restful than taking an hour long nap because the hour long nap makes your body think you're going to be asleep for the long haul so when you interrupt it your body is like "no I want 7 more hours." 1500! | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On June 30 2008 13:42 HeavOnEarth wrote: your brain grows... sleep deprivations corrupts that process. . . when ur ~18 brain is more or less complete Your brain is complete long before 18. The only problem with being less than 18 (although it would be more accurate at like 22) is that your body can still be growing. (That means you could still get taller, etc., not that your brain is still growing.)[/QUOTE] orly i never knew that =o | ||
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pyogenes
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On June 29 2008 06:47 HeavOnEarth wrote: Einstein and Da Vinci used the uberman sleep schedule i myself tried it for a week, before AP/SAT/FINALS cram for 11th grade it was alright... it was like i was really high but it catches up to you, i was out like a light for an entire day, not to mention i was fucked up in the head for about 2 weeks and i went though sleep paralysis and hallucinations ; common symptoms of sleep deprivation but it was worth it 3 on english (fuck you paper over pennies!?because we all care about if the penny should be removed or not!) and 4 APUSH and ~2100 on SAT although i bombed by calc final i still passed! woo~ ;edit; but after reading that blog, i only used it for 5 days and apprantly those first few days are the hardest.. ?( Either way . . . anyone under 18 shouldn't try this, GG ur IQ if you do) u know, but dire situations call for drastic measures you can't start doing the uberman sleep schedule a week before your finals and expect to be acclimated if you had done it like 2 months before your finals you would have been set. ive had a friend do the uberman before, he said it worked great, but if you miss 1 single nap youre fucked lol | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
I sleep 15 minutes every third hour. For a total of 2 hours per day. The only true reason someone would do this is IF you really REALLY needed more time. If you don't then you won't have the dedication to hold the schedule. I have to admit. The first week was hell. But it got better after that. The loss of performance due to lack of sleep that everyone keeps talking about went away after the first three months. After that I or my friends didn't notice any difference than that I had more time... ALLOT more time. Besides the shortterm effects of ubermansleep like the first week adaption to uberman sleep and the fact that you will performe slightly worse than normal nothing else is really known. Stuff like that your life span will be shortened. That you may get diseases easier. that you mood changes. that you become insane or whatever is just speculations. Main problem is that there aren't enough people that use this kind of sleep pattern for a prolonged time. Note I didn't say there weren't ANY What i said was there weren't enough. There are plenty of people that are doing this. The problem is that its hard finding people that are willing to do a long study on this. These people use this schedule so they can get more time. Being a part of a study like this would mena that they had to live with doctors, get obserced and answers questions every day 24 hours for atleast one year. Therefor there isn't much data on this that is valid. People that uses this schedule simply don't have the time. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On June 30 2008 20:17 Integra wrote: I started Uberman sleep schedule 2 years ago. reason was that I needed more time to do my university studies. I sleep 15 minutes every third hour. For a total of 2 hours per day. The only true reason someone would do this is IF you really REALLY needed more time. If you don't then you won't have the dedication to hold the schedule. I have to admit. The first week was hell. But it got better after that. The loss of performance due to lack of sleep that everyone keeps talking about went away after the first three months. After that I or my friends didn't notice any difference than that I had more time... ALLOT more time. Besides the shortterm effects of ubermansleep like the first week adaption to uberman sleep and the fact that you will performe slightly worse than normal nothing else is really known. Stuff like that your life span will be shortened. That you may get diseases easier. that you mood changes. that you become insane or whatever is just speculations. Main problem is that there aren't enough people that use this kind of sleep pattern for a prolonged time. Note I didn't say there weren't ANY What i said was there weren't enough. There are plenty of people that are doing this. The problem is that its hard finding people that are willing to do a long study on this. These people use this schedule so they can get more time. Being a part of a study like this would mena that they had to live with doctors, get obserced and answers questions every day 24 hours for atleast one year. Therefor there isn't much data on this that is valid. People that uses this schedule simply don't have the time. integra can u elaborate on the benifits/ disadvantages... im sure there are some people wanting to try this but... unsure as of its reliability or at all beneficial | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On June 30 2008 21:05 HeavOnEarth wrote: integra can u elaborate on the benifits/ disadvantages... im sure there are some people wanting to try this but... unsure as of its reliability or at all beneficial Okay, a bit more indepth of the pros and cons: There are no benefits or reliability from this in the shortterm. What i mean by this is that if someone thinks "great then i can do this starting tonight since i have a an exame in 4 days". If it is your first time then you won't be able to do crap for the next week or so. your focus will be horrible and you won't be able to concetrate on things for very long. Even after the first week you will still need longer time to do things. Even fairly basic things. For the unexperinced this won't prove useful until at least 2-3 months has passed. This is why most people that tested this for the shortterm (under 3 months) found it horrible. However once longterm starts to kick in it's a whole other ballgame. The PROs: One thing that really surprised me, and what i believe is the biggest benefit is that once I went over the 3 month line and my brain got used to the sleeping pattern I could actually alternate between "normal" sleeping and uberman sleep and "phase" out and in between them without much effort. I found out about this during the previous summer. I had no univeristy at the time and allot of free time. Basicly I got bored. To have 22 hours per day is allot of time, specially when you don't have anything to spend on it. So during the weekends, which were the hardest I actually slept 6 full hours both saturday and sunday. Once weekend was over I thougth "crap i'm back to my old sleeping pattern again, I'll have to go through weeks of adapation again." This turned out not to be the case. My body instantly switched back to uberman sleep after 1 or 2 days. and during those days I only experinced a slight lack of focus. Another great thing, as i stated earlier was that i got allot of more time for studies. This resulted i that I instead of bachelor is taking my Masters and I'm going to go four years instead of three. Since university now seems incredibly easy. I can studie for 8 hours and get 14 hours of Free time per day! I mean all my friends in my class were struggling with their courses while I took a part-time job during my studies It was insane.You are aslo highly flexible. Once you get used to the schedule yuor body automaticly tells you when it's time to sleep. You don't need to sleep in a bed or in a quiet room either. I actually just shut my eyes where i were whenver I got the free time. Like on a chair or whatever. IF you for some reason really really needed to be awake and fully focused longer than 3 hours I could stretch it to 4 hours and 30 minutes. If i needed longer than that I just had to sleep longer. like 3 or 4 hours before the event. SO there is allto fo flexibility to this. The CONs: Your lifestyle has to allow you to do these things. You need to plan. If you really want to be able to adjust from uberman to normal sleep you will need to know about it advance. if you for some reason need to be up longer than 4 hours and 30 minutes then you need to know about it atleast 4 hours before hand so you can actually can sleep for 4 hours before the marathon starts. Another problem is that you start to "detach" from the rest of the world. This could be good or bad depending on the person. Some people need to feel that they are one with the world or whatever you might call it. This thing will make you feel very very different and wierd, in the beginning that is. then it will feel like a normal state. Another strange thing to consider is this: In normal sleep you are expercing your existence as days in 24 hour blocks. you wake up. do your stuff through out the day. then you sleep. when you wake up next day beginn. In ubermansleep it is... forever. You never sleep or take a break. The days just float together. The days system weh ave which makes 7 days which is one week etc makes no sense in this state since you aren't really following it. Day or Night. Doesn't matter you are still up. Another Con is that people who generally are very group dependet will have problems stay on this schedule. Do you like to go to parties, do random stuff, be spontanteous or don't you have full control of your life or let other people make your decisions. Does the people around you generally decide what you are suppose to do? Then this won't work for you. Period. Then it's the social factor. Society you are living in isn't constructed for ubermansleep. while you still are up. stores will close. your friends and parents will go to sleep for 8 hours like the bears who go to sleep for the winter. You will be completley ALONE for atleast 8 hours. Some people cannot take this for some reason. That's about it. if you have anymore questions then ask away! | ||
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Shauni
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Personally I always sleep about 12 hours unless disturbed and I have great difficulties waking up before that time, even by an alarm clock. So this method might be able to help me with my deprived awake hours. If it really works for me that is... I'm not sure I can handle being a total wreck for 3 months until my body MIGHT adjust. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On June 30 2008 23:06 Shauni wrote: The thing I'm concerned with is how you are supposed to wake up after 15 minutes every time? Wouldn't you need an alarm clock for that or will the body eventually adjust and wake up after 15 minutes? Personally I always sleep about 12 hours unless disturbed and I have great difficulties waking up before that time, even by an alarm clock. So this method might be able to help me with my deprived awake hours. I didn't start with 15 minutes every third hour, I slowly phased into the schedule. I started to sleep for 20 minutes every third hour and went to bed like normal for 8 hours. I kept doign this for the next 2 weeks. After this i started to sleep less at night each week. Week 1-2, sleep 20 minutes every 3 hour. at night 8 hours. week 3-4 sleep 20 minutes every 3 hour. At night 7 hours week 5 sleep 20 minutes every 3 hour. At night 6 hours week 6 sleep 20 minutes every 3 hour. At night 5 hours week 7 sleep 20 minutes every 3 hour. At night 4 hours etc etc... Once i was down to 0 hours per night I started to sleep less each nap until I was down to 15 minutes. You have to take it slowly and not crash. it's easier to succeed then. If you have problem waking up then set up your computer to play music or something after a certain amount of time. Go to Download.com and look after timers. Another thing you can do is to sleep on the floor. IT helped me One thing that you will notice when you start to sleep every third hour is that you get allot of energy. you will not feel tired or out of energy like some people feel during the day. IT's awesome. your will probably not be able to sleep for 12 straight hours if you take naps every third hour. I had problems to sleep 8 hours straight even during the first two weeks. I had too much energy. If it really works for me that is... I'm not sure I can handle being a total wreck for 3 months until my body MIGHT adjust. You will not feel like a wreck for three months. and you WILL adjust, I havn't heard of anyone that gone beyond the first month and that hasn't adapted and could had kept going. They who quit after one month did so for other reasons. And not because they havn't adapted. The first week you will feel kinda tired. Once that week is over you will still feel a little wierd but it won't be too bad bad. My experince is that i felt lightheaded. It was almost like you feel when you havn't slept enough. but it was a different and much much more easier feeling to have. This feeling was nothing compared to real fatigue feeling when you stayed up for a very long time and don't even have energy to take a bus. It's emulated by your body, you aren't really fatigued from lack of sleep. IT's only your mind that thinks so. It's like breaking a habit. Habits are always hard to break. and sleep patterns are no different. So it isn't as bad as it sounds. Once the first week has passed it will be easier for each day after that. A tip during the first three weeks. Listen to good music, I felt really high during this time | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On June 29 2008 05:49 CharlieMurphy wrote: Can anyone elaborate on exactly what this is And what the purpose of it is? This is pretty much where you alter your sleeping patterns so when you do have small naps you enter the stage of sleep called REM (random eye movement) where you have dreams. This means that insted of sleeping 9 hours a day you might sleep 15 mins each period of time which might add up to 3-4 hours of sleep | ||
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qet
Australia244 Posts
your body NEEDS deep sleep that comes from being asleep for a few hours at least. the long term effects of this kind of sleeping are bad: nervous breakdowns, mental illness, etc. instead of this, why not try a >24 hour day? eg: sleep 10 hours, then stay awake for 18 hours. that would be a 28 hour day. don't be fooled by thinking you can do this with "willpower" or something. i challenge that guy who claims he adjusted after 3 months to prove that he had the same mental capacity - eg: a scientific test, before and after, for reflexes, mental agility, etc. most likely he didn't realise that he was feeling worse, since it's hard to remember how you felt exactly 3 months ago. On July 01 2008 00:05 Integra wrote: I had problems to sleep 8 hours straight even during the first two weeks. I had too much energy. My experince is that i felt lightheaded. It was almost like you feel when you havn't slept enough. I felt really high during this time Do you know why this is? Because your body is releasing all sorts of chemicals into your blood to fight off the effects of tiredness. Hence you feel lightheaded, and as if floating. Please read about it on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation After 3 months, you were probably used to this and it felt normal, but it's not normal! I wonder if you did any execise during this time as well. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 01 2008 00:05 Integra wrote: Do you know why this is? Because your body is releasing all sorts of chemicals into your blood to fight off the effects of tiredness. Hence you feel lightheaded, and as if floating. Please read about it on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation After 3 months, you were probably used to this and it felt normal, but it's not normal! I wonder if you did any execise during this time as well. It's like you say. Sleep deprivation always starts with fatigue syndrome. If you still don't sleep after that you will collapse. If you for some reason aren't asleep while in collapsed state your immune system will start to break own. Small cuts and wounds will not heal anymore. Then eventually you will die from hearthfailure. There is just one problem. I'm not suffering from Sleep deprivation!!  It's like you have flown to another countrie that is 8 hours ahead compared to your countrie. It is called jetlag. you come to the new countrie at night and go to sleep. you slep for 8 hours but during the day you still feel "sleepy" even though you have slept! Some people can feel the jetlag for a whole week after they have arrived even though they are still sleeping 8 hours every night. People who adjust to ubermansleep schedule is in the same situation. It's Jetlag AND NOT Sleep deprivation. And yes, I'm what you might call chroncily thinn. When i was 18 I wightet 45 kilos. thats 99 pounds. I now eat every third hour per day and work out every second day and I now weight 68 KG or 150 pounds. So yes I workout and the uberman sleep shedule have had no negative impact on this. Some people claim that a meat protein rich diet makes it harder to adjust to the schedule, This is not true in my case. EDIT, I cut out the cause of jetlag from wikiepdia: Cause for jetlag + Show Spoiler + When traveling across a number of time zones, the body clock will be out of sync with the destination time, as it experiences daylight and darkness contrary to the rhythms to which it has grown accustomed: the body's natural pattern is upset, as the rhythms that dictate times for eating, sleeping, hormone regulation and body temperature no longer correspond to the environment nor to each other in some cases. "Jet lag" describes the physical symptoms that occur because the body cannot immediately realign these rhythms. The speed at which the body readjusts itself to new daylight/darkness hours is individually determined. Thus, while it may take several days for some people to readjust to a new time zone, others seem to experience little disruption to their body's natural patterns. It is, however, not common to get jet lag from a crossing of only one or two time zones. The short version is that the body has a sleeping clock that it follows. Even if you get enough sleep but you have to sleep at times that the body isn't used to you will still feel like you need more sleep. IT ususally takes a few weeks for the body to change to the new clock sleeping clock. This is what happends, it is not Sleep deprivation. Sleep deprivation is when you aren't sleeping at all. | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
lets say you work out 5 times a week like me and I work out pretty heavy; 3 times at the gym, 2 times running 10 km/ week there is no fucking way you will be able to benefit much from the workout since the body needs sleep in order to replace muscle tissue and growth hormon is also released in deep sleep. I also think you will easier get anxious/depressed sleeping like this and when you listed the cons there were like 3 points regarding other people and basically it was "if your a loner you can do this if you are a social person its not for you" so wtf, there is nothing positive about being a total loner and people who are usually have issued of some sort, social phobia or whatever anyways, this might work if you dont workout, or do really light workouts. also if you have friends this will probably not work out lol dont do it btw, sleep deprivation is also when you dont get enough sleep and not just when you dont sleep at all. 2 hours/day in total is simply just NOT enough, I would say its dangerously low | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
IT has been speculated that the brain adapts to whatever sleeping shedule we might have. for instance if we sleep for 8 hours per day we then shiftt in and out of R.E.M sleep so that the total 90 minutes are evenly divided over those 8 hours. The remaning hours is not R.E.M buty other phases of the sleep cycle. For a person who sleeps 20 minutes at a time will get into R.E.M sleep faster and stay in there longer. this is of course under the rule that the mind can adapt its sleep pattern. that i can shift out and into R.E.M when it wants to. As long as your total sleep time is 90 minutes you would have no problem. And you get a total sleeping time of 2 hours in uberman so, no problems. | ||
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LuckyOne
266 Posts
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Zortch
Canada635 Posts
So why is it that we don't all just sleep less if thats what is really needed and is just as good and all that? In my experience sleeping 5 hours a night compared to 9 leads to a huge difference in my mental capabilities. Also, if I were to study all day or do something mentally intensive for a long time I would need more sleep that night to feel rested. I find it very hard to believe that I could really live on 5 hours of sleep and be perfectly fine let alone 2, though I suppose I've never tried 2... | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
im just not buying it. I mean of course some of the things you say are valid and you can actually survive on so little sleep but i dont think you will feel very well. Besides you will always have to think about what you eat, like you cant really drink coffee or eat sugar and expect so sleep well an hour later, so its pretty damn important that you really sleep 15 minutes every 3 hours or whatever it is I wonder what a scientist who studies sleep would say about this. after all they are specialists | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On June 29 2008 06:31 5HITCOMBO wrote: All dopaminic drugs do this. Cocaine, crack, marijuana, etc. Trust me, I do a lot of drug research, literary and otherwise. The lack of sleep produces much more delirium than the lack of dopamine does. All the d2 receptors do is make it harder for them to be happy. The paranoia and the hallucinations are all from lack of sleep. this is true lack of sleep is like one of the most common reasons for psychosis, delirium etc btw lack of sleep or the "euphoria" has also been used somewhat experimentally to treat depression and it works but only short term unfortunately, i wonder how a depressed person would be on the uberman sleep schedule, quite interesting... of course hallucinogenic drugs like LSD will cause adverse effects in some people as well no matter how much they sleep | ||
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Funchucks
Canada2113 Posts
Polyphasic sleep long-term total success stories are all anecdotal and self-reported. One might wonder whether they are not also fictional. They certainly contradict the findings of impartial studies. This is a decent debunking page: http://www.supermemo.com/articles/polyphasic.htm | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
On July 01 2008 01:32 Integra wrote: Sorry if you answered this already, but are you still polyphasic? Or have you reverted back to a normal sleep schedule?True, Deep sleep or R.E.M sleep is needed for body repairs. Total R.E.M sleep a person gets during a 8 hours sleep cycle is 90 minutes. R.E.M sleep also keeps us sane. IT has been speculated that the brain adapts to whatever sleeping shedule we might have. for instance if we sleep for 8 hours per day we then shiftt in and out of R.E.M sleep so that the total 90 minutes are evenly divided over those 8 hours. The remaning hours is not R.E.M buty other phases of the sleep cycle. For a person who sleeps 20 minutes at a time will get into R.E.M sleep faster and stay in there longer. this is of course under the rule that the mind can adapt its sleep pattern. that i can shift out and into R.E.M when it wants to. As long as your total sleep time is 90 minutes you would have no problem. And you get a total sleeping time of 2 hours in uberman so, no problems. If you did is there any reason? As with many others I'm sure, I find this subject really interesting and have always wanted to try this, but was afraid of any long term effects. | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
how about drinking alcohol? not a good idea huh if you wanna sleep only 15 minutes at a time (good luck with that when being drunk) uberman sleep seems really retarded. it might be a "fun" thing to do for a week or 2 as a challenge but not longer | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 01 2008 02:27 Falcynn wrote: Sorry if you answered this already, but are you still polyphasic? Or have you reverted back to a normal sleep schedule? If you did is there any reason? As with many others I'm sure, I find this subject really interesting and have always wanted to try this, but was afraid of any long term effects. It's okay. Yes i'm still polyphasic. I'm about to sleep now for 20 minutes There are people that are for and against it. Those who are against it can't say if there are any longterm effects, since ther hasn't been any studies longterm. nor can they find any reasons to as why there should be. The main reason for why people stop polyphasic is for the social situation they are in. Either their job or people around them telling them to stop doing it. In fact i can phase between regular and polyphasic sleep. My normal sleep pattern that works pretty well with my body is that i do polyphasic every day but the weekends. During the weekend I actually get 5 or 6 hours sleep during the night since there is nothing to do then and it's not much use looking at a wall just to stay awake. I rather sleep than being bored So except for the weekends I hold the polyphasic sleep schedule. | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
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TrainRape
46 Posts
On June 30 2008 13:41 HeavOnEarth wrote: The term "Da Vinci sleep" is often used as a synonym for polyphasic sleep. . . . as for einstein i don't know really , i just read it somewhere Nice proof, Godel. | ||
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Funchucks
Canada2113 Posts
"I sleep 15 minutes every third hour. For a total of 2 hours per day." "It's okay. Yes i'm still polyphasic. I'm about to sleep now for 20 minutes" "During the weekend I actually get 5 or 6 hours sleep during the night" So is it 15 minutes, or 20 minutes? (that's a pretty big difference when you're taking 8 naps per day) Is it always only the planned amount of time? Is it only on weekends that he has long sleeps? Does he really only sleep 5 or 6 hours in those times, or does he crash for 10 or 12 hours? Nobody is watching him and recording it. This is apparently a bragging point for him, so he's probably exaggerating to some degree. He probably considers the times he oversleeps as a failure of discipline, and dismisses each occurrence as an isolated incident. It wouldn't surprise me if an impartial observer who could watch him continuously would find out that he averages over 4 hours of sleep per day, and that he himself would be shocked and disbelieving to hear it. ("Well, I knew I slipped up now and then, but I didn't think...") That is just the way self-reported data works. You can't trust it. | ||
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SIUnit
China288 Posts
On June 29 2008 06:47 HeavOnEarth wrote: Einstein and Da Vinci used the uberman sleep schedule i myself tried it for a week, before AP/SAT/FINALS cram for 11th grade it was alright... it was like i was really high but it catches up to you, i was out like a light for an entire day, not to mention i was fucked up in the head for about 2 weeks and i went though sleep paralysis and hallucinations ; common symptoms of sleep deprivation but it was worth it 3 on english (fuck you paper over pennies!?because we all care about if the penny should be removed or not!) and 4 APUSH and ~2100 on SAT although i bombed by calc final i still passed! woo~ ;edit; but after reading that blog, i only used it for 5 days and apprantly those first few days are the hardest.. ?( Either way . . . anyone under 18 shouldn't try this, GG ur IQ if you do) u know, but dire situations call for drastic measures I do that without even studying. You probably could've done better with your regular sleeping schedule. | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On July 01 2008 03:15 Funchucks wrote: Integra's story is a good example of something to be suspicious of. "I sleep 15 minutes every third hour. For a total of 2 hours per day." "It's okay. Yes i'm still polyphasic. I'm about to sleep now for 20 minutes" "During the weekend I actually get 5 or 6 hours sleep during the night" So is it 15 minutes, or 20 minutes? (that's a pretty big difference when you're taking 8 naps per day) Is it always only the planned amount of time? Is it only on weekends that he has long sleeps? Does he really only sleep 5 or 6 hours in those times, or does he crash for 10 or 12 hours? Nobody is watching him and recording it. This is apparently a bragging point for him, so he's probably exaggerating to some degree. He probably considers the times he oversleeps as a failure of discipline, and dismisses each occurrence as an isolated incident. It wouldn't surprise me if an impartial observer who could watch him continuously would find out that he averages over 4 hours of sleep per day, and that he himself would be shocked and disbelieving to hear it. ("Well, I knew I slipped up now and then, but I didn't think...") That is just the way self-reported data works. You can't trust it. word. exactly what i was thinking about the self-reported data and how people think of minor "failures" as isolated incidents and totally dismiss the fact that they ever happened sleeping for several hours on the weekend also makes this not that extreme, but i have trouble, BIG trouble believing anyone can hold the nap times for longer than a couple of weeks TOPS sounds like mental torture to me | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 01 2008 03:00 Holylight wrote: May I ask how old you are Integra and if you have a drivers license or a girlfriend (good relationship) Sure thing. I Live in Sweden. I'm 28 years old. No I don't have any Girlfriend at the moment but I have a few projects going if you know my drift I have a drivers license And I'm gonna startat my fourth year in university, im currently doing My masters in Information system and IT Technologies. I also have an IQ of 141 or the top 0.5 percentage of the smartest people in the world. According to Swedish Mensa I'm particuarly adept in deductive reasoning and social skillsets.What exactly does this have to do with ubermansleep? I fail too see any connection.... And just in case, NO I'm not gay I'm straight so don't even ask about going out with me! | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
i was interested in what type of person you are because i have a feeling that its mostly young people who try these schemes because they can and dont have too many responsibilities its all very interesting though although i dont think its healthy at all in the long run | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 01 2008 03:50 Holylight wrote: lol okay, just wondering because it soudned like you were quite young and didnt have to worry about much which would have made the uberman schedule easier...guess I was wrong i was interested in what type of person you are because i have a feeling that its mostly young people who try these schemes because they can and dont have too many responsibilities its all very interesting though although i dont think its healthy at all in the long run I actually agree with you on this. I look very young for my age. people think im like 20. so there is some truth to it I certainly dont act like im 28. However I do have responsibilities. In order for me to graduate and get my Masters I have to do one year field research. so I'll do research while studying the next last year I have left. On top of that I will be a professor assistant during one of the courses for the second years at the university. so I do have responsibilities. the thing about uberman sleep is that it will give me the time to actually pull this off. I would never been able to do all that otherwise. | ||
jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
i sat on my couch =today for only a few minutes, passed out, woke up hours later lol, shit! | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
After reading this I might try it out, seems like it could work for me and I am already strange enough as it is in other persons eyes so a little bit more would not hurt. Edit: By the way, were do you study in sweden, I study at RIOT. | ||
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Funchucks
Canada2113 Posts
I'd say it's unusual to eat only once per day, but not rare. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 01 2008 04:24 Klockan3 wrote: I actually believe in Integra, sure I do not uberman sleep but instead I only eat once per day and have no side effects from it at all. I do not even get hungry any longer, so its sure is possible to adapt your body to more effecient living patterns than 99.9% of the worlds population are using. After reading this I might try it out, seems like it could work for me and I am already strange enough as it is in other persons eyes so a little bit more would not hurt. Klockan, read my previous posts. Start out slow. dont go straight into it, slowly phase between normal sleep and ubermansleep and you should be able to pullit off wihtout too much problems. The reason why the majority of the people fail is that they think "all i need to do is to go in straight to the schedule and all I need to do it is to duke it out until I've adapted." It doesn't work you have to do a slow progress. if yuo odn't you will just crash. When i say crash I mean that you will over sleep or actually become fatigued for real and when that happends you will sleep sooner or later, either by your own will or by simply collapsing EDIT: I study at Linköpings universitet. going to start my forth year in systemvetenskap. | ||
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LuckyOne
266 Posts
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On July 01 2008 04:34 Funchucks wrote: Eating your full allotment of calories once per day and getting one third as much sleep as is considered the minimum healthy amount are pretty different. I'd say it's unusual to eat only once per day, but not rare. I have not met anyone who does that, and tbh I do not really understand why. The benefits are huge, your food expenses go down a ton since you can eat it all at home, you save a lot of time and its very convenient. I did not even try to get into a 1 meal per day pattern, it just grew on me naturally. Anyway, Integras talk about himself reminded me a lot about myself and his mind seems alert. And why would he lie about this really? Its not like he gains anything from it and if he lies he would lie fourth a better life than that. On July 01 2008 04:35 Integra wrote: Klockan, read my previous posts. Start out slow. dont go straight into it, slowly phase between normal sleep and ubermansleep and you should be able to pullit off wihtout too much problems. The reason why the majority of the people fail is that they think "all i need to do is to go in straight to the schedule and all I need to do it is to duke it out until I've adapted." It doesn't work you have to do a slow progress. if yuo odn't you will just crash. When i say crash I mean that you will over sleep or actually become fatigued for real and when that happends you will sleep sooner or later, either by your own will or by simply collapsing EDIT: I study at Linköpings universitet. going to start my forth year in systemvetenskap. I will probably go even slower though since I am not really fond of the side effects, but there is few who can supress their body needs more than I can so I should be able to get atleast into a semi uber. And I am very good at reading my body needs, thats why I do not get hungry etc, since I know that I do not need to eat anything(But you know what a pain it is when I forget about a meal one day?). If this actually works I should be able to get the same results but for sleep, and if I go slow enough I should be able to avoid the side effects. On July 01 2008 04:50 LuckyOne wrote: wait i dont get it , if you are so smart(top 0.5% of the world) why did you need more time to study in the first place? IQ do not meassure your learning abilities or much at all really, just how well you are at learning to think in the same patterns as most who makes the IQ tests. Also he mightve wanted time to do other things than just to study all day long? | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On July 01 2008 04:24 Klockan3 wrote: but instead I only eat once per day and have no side effects from it at all. I do not even get hungry any longer, so its sure is possible to adapt your body to more effecient living patterns than 99.9% of the worlds population are using. lol, I guess you dont work out i guess you eat alot that one time, but any normal person who is active and moves during the day would get very hungry after say 8 hours after eating, besides you arent feeding your body energy more than one time a day and your body doesnt ration it out during the day, only a certain amount of the nutrition and energy for some hours to come thing is, youll pretty much run out of energy like 6 hours later and my guess is that you would function better overall if you would eat again then. besides mood-swings and low blood-sugar might become an issue and i dont know many people who could pull this off without getting inhuman cravings for candy and shit a year ago i used to eat two times a day for a couple of months and it worked pretty well i guess, but its a pretty big difference from eating once a day also your body will have to work harder, your kidneys etc to digest and take care of all the food you eat once a day so i dont think its very healthy | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 01 2008 04:50 LuckyOne wrote: wait i dont get it , if you are so smart(top 0.5% of the world) why did you need more time to study in the first place? Only in the field of deductive reasoning and social skillsets. I'm average in other areas. like memory. deductive reasoning measures how fast you can understand abstract and complex things. Give me hard stuff that requires you to use or construct a logic structure, like math. I'll solve it very quickly. However I'm not as good as learning alot of simple things. like give me a dictionary of words and tell me to remember them. I won't do any better than someone with average memory. It will take time for me to rememeber all the words. Allot of the exams at uni is simply that. Allot of definitions, rules, descriptions and just text to remember that you have to recall during the exam and not so much complexity or high abstract thinking. My strong point is abstraction and finding smart solutions, not so much remembering stuff. When it comes to smartness it tends to be those who adapt to the situation and actually pull it off. the dumb ones are the ones that don't make it. I've found a smart solution thnx to this ubermansleep schedule and unlike 99% of the other people I actually was smart enough to pull it off. | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
klockan; no one is saying he is lying | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On July 01 2008 05:05 Holylight wrote: lol, I guess you dont work out i guess you eat alot that one time, but any normal person who is active and moves during the day would get very hungry after say 8 hours after eating, besides you arent feeding your body energy more than one time a day and your body doesnt ration it out during the day, only a certain amount of the nutrition and energy for some hours to come thing is, youll pretty much run out of energy like 6 hours later and my guess is that you would function better overall if you would eat again then. besides mood-swings and low blood-sugar might become an issue and i dont know many people who could pull this off without getting inhuman cravings for candy and shit a year ago i used to eat two times a day for a couple of months and it worked pretty well i guess, but its a pretty big difference from eating once a day also your body will have to work harder, your kidneys etc to digest and take care of all the food you eat once a day so i dont think its very healthy I usually work out every day, 15-25 minutes and i put it just ahead of my meal, I also walk to my uni instead of taking the locals and its a 25 minutes walk. If what you say about the blood sugar were true I would not even get up on the mornings since i eat at the evening, and I learn better at the lectures than all of my peers since I do not have to study for my exams due to learning everything at the lectures. And im one of the most coolheaded persons there is, I have even argued quite a lot on the mbs threads against the standards of TL and I have not gotten banned once even :p | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 01 2008 05:08 Holylight wrote: um integra, youre not on a uberman sleeping schedule since you sleep longer on weekends, i think this makes quite a big difference. klockan; no one is saying he is lying I only started to sleep normally on weekends once the summer started since univeristy closes over the summer. If i have to pick boredom or lseep I choose sleep. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On July 01 2008 05:13 Integra wrote: I only started to sleep normally on weekends once the summer started since univeristy closes over the summer. If i have to pick boredom or lseep I choose sleep. Yeah i feel exactly like that! When I'm bored I can sleep like 18 hours a day! On July 01 2008 05:08 Holylight wrote: klockan; no one is saying he is lying But you are seriously questioning who he is, how he is and all these kinds of stuff, and I say that to me it does not seem that improbable as some here might think it is. | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On July 01 2008 05:12 Klockan3 wrote: I usually work out every day, 15-25 minutes and i put it just ahead of my meal, I also walk to my uni instead of taking the locals and its a 25 minutes walk. If what you say about the blood sugar were true I would not even get up on the mornings since i eat at the evening, and I learn better at the lectures than all of my peers since I do not have to study for my exams due to learning everything at the lectures. And im one of the most coolheaded persons there is, I have even argued quite a lot on the mbs threads against the standards of TL and I have not gotten banned once even :p well i wasnt referring to doing some situps every day or whatever you squeeze into 20 minutes of workout? i was talking about workout that you actually benefit from like intense cardio or lifting weights. what i said about blood sugar is true, but i guess thats why you get up, because you eat at evenings. and i have no idea what your point was regarding learning at lectures since it didnt have anything to do with your eating habits or anything? "i learn more at lectures than other people, because i learn more at lectures" lol best argument ever | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On July 01 2008 05:13 Integra wrote: If i have to pick boredom or lseep I choose sleep. good choice | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On July 01 2008 05:17 Klockan3 wrote: Yeah i feel exactly like that! When I'm bored I can sleep like 18 hours a day! But you are seriously questioning who he is, how he is and all these kinds of stuff, and I say that to me it does not seem that improbable as some here might think it is. what seems improbable to many people about these kind of schedules is sleeping EXACTLY 20 minutes 6 times (or whatever) a day at the same friggin time day in and day out without missing one nap for a long period of time that seems very likely and an easy thing to do to you? | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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Sadir
Vatican City State1176 Posts
as holylight pointed out earlier, I just cannot believe that anybody who does active sports can stick to this sleeping pattern a long time (there may be exceptions, but for most ppl it won't work) another thing I would like to point out is that for all the ppl who get easily depressed, this experiment is a nono On July 01 2008 03:15 Funchucks wrote: Integra's story is a good example of something to be suspicious of. "I sleep 15 minutes every third hour. For a total of 2 hours per day." "It's okay. Yes i'm still polyphasic. I'm about to sleep now for 20 minutes" "During the weekend I actually get 5 or 6 hours sleep during the night" So is it 15 minutes, or 20 minutes? (that's a pretty big difference when you're taking 8 naps per day) Is it always only the planned amount of time? Is it only on weekends that he has long sleeps? Does he really only sleep 5 or 6 hours in those times, or does he crash for 10 or 12 hours? Nobody is watching him and recording it. This is apparently a bragging point for him, so he's probably exaggerating to some degree. He probably considers the times he oversleeps as a failure of discipline, and dismisses each occurrence as an isolated incident. It wouldn't surprise me if an impartial observer who could watch him continuously would find out that he averages over 4 hours of sleep per day, and that he himself would be shocked and disbelieving to hear it. ("Well, I knew I slipped up now and then, but I didn't think...") That is just the way self-reported data works. You can't trust it. excellent post imo, not an assault, but something you should think of when reading Integra's posts | ||
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