Elon Musk's lies, propaganda, etc. - Page 60

On February 07 2025 21:11 Harris1st wrote:
One of the few occasions where Reddit is really shining. There is a bunch of hilarious memes in subreddits like r\swasticars and the likes

On February 11 2025 19:59 WombaT wrote:
A few links for the above:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/10/science/boeing-nasa-space-launch-system-sls/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/10/science/boeing-nasa-space-launch-system-sls/index.html

I think this is one I wouldn’t generally have a problem with if it weren’t for the rather obvious conflicts of interest afoot.

On February 11 2025 19:47 KT_Elwood wrote:
Budget cuts to NASA cause Boeong to axe the SLS rocket, costing 400 jobs and leaving the field wide open for a certain company to fill the gap of a giant moon rocket.

Wonder which it might be?

On February 14 2025 19:27 KT_Elwood wrote:
SpaceX also doesn't have a lander. They have big ships that explode on starting.. or landing.

On February 14 2025 19:27 KT_Elwood wrote:
SpaceX launched 4-5 missions beyond earths orbit. All of them with payload build by somebody else.

On February 14 2025 19:27 KT_Elwood wrote:
It's fair to have competition.. but having the guy owning the competitor decide if Boeing is good enough stinks.

Having Boeing just fold and bend over is terrifiying for what's about to come.

On February 14 2025 23:24 oBlade wrote:

SpaceX has an HLS contract. If you want to reevaluate that separately, I'm all for it. ULA has never landed a first stage on Earth. Landing on the moon is a great deal easier due to there being no atmosphere. Mars is the hardest due to there being some atmosphere.

The moon has been a fake mirage destination for decades to begin with. Nobody actually wants to go back to the moon. They want to sell the dream of going back to the moon to make pork project jobs programs for their constituents, or their company, as the case may be. Probably NASA will refocus to Mars.


Governments are the only entities to conduct missions outside of Earth orbit due to the fact that there is no economic incentive to do so, only scientific or exploration/wow humanity reasons. Anyone else who does is either doing charity or demonstration or throwing money away.


Do you have a single piece of evidence Musk ordered the cancelation of SLS?

I don't know how well you know the US system. NASA is not part of the Constitution. Most countries do not actually have space programs. Countries develop programs when they want to do something. If they want to go to the moon, or Mars, they would have to make a program for that. Countries likewise don't have infinite money. Then they need to buy things from companies, making them a customer.

Neither the company has an inherent right to the government's business at the company's preferred conditions, nor does the government have an inherent right to the company's product if it doesn't meet their conditions. If NASA doesn't have enough money to buy A, they can buy an alternative or buy nothing. If A is too expensive for NASA to buy, company can make it better or cheaper which they've had 20 fucking years to do.

Like if you ask someone to paint your house, and they say it will be $100, and you pay them, and they say actually they need $200, and you pay them, and they paint a little bit, and they say now they need $500, and your expenses change and you quit the whole endeavor, it is not on the painter to "just fold and bend over" or not. Are they going to extort you even more?

On February 15 2025 03:36 oBlade wrote:
You can take Musk away from NASA 100%. Fine. It's a conflict of interest. I agree 100%. Trump said "we would not let him do that segment or look in that area." If Trump reneges on that, or if Musk is stupid enough to approach NASA despite the glaring conflict, yet alone appearance of impropriety, they're assholes for that. Nonetheless Trump is not Musk and has a right to his own space policy. It is not Musk's fault that ULA's rockets are more expensive and worse, if that's what's going on. It's ULA's fault. You do not need to make the US taxpayer buy a more expensive thing just to keep up appearances.

On February 15 2025 03:36 oBlade wrote:
You can take Musk away from NASA 100%. Fine. It's a conflict of interest. I agree 100%. Trump said "we would not let him do that segment or look in that area." If Trump reneges on that, or if Musk is stupid enough to approach NASA despite the glaring conflict, yet alone appearance of impropriety, they're assholes for that. Nonetheless Trump is not Musk and has a right to his own space policy. It is not Musk's fault that ULA's rockets are more expensive and worse, if that's what's going on. It's ULA's fault. You do not need to make the US taxpayer buy a more expensive thing just to keep up appearances.

The US federal tax collection agency is reportedly preparing to give a team member of Elon Musk’s “department of government efficiency” (Doge), which has already gutted several federal agencies and sparked multiple lawsuits, access to personal taxpayer data.

The New York Times and the Washington Post both reported early on Monday that the Internal Revenue Service had received a request for access to a classified system that contains sensitive personal financial records.

The request, which is reportedly under review, would give Doge officials “broad access to tax-agency systems, property and datasets, including tax returns”.

One of these, the integrated data retrieval system (IDRS), gives tax agency employees the ability to see IRS accounts and bank information, the Washington Post reported.

On February 18 2025 20:20 Uldridge wrote:
Just arrest him? Why can't they do that?