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On October 27 2024 05:26 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2024 05:07 RvB wrote:
His desire to colonise Mars has nothing to do with climate change. He wants it as a hedge against a catastrophic event on earth on the scale of the asteroid that ended most of the dinosaurs. If that happens, the species is utterly fucked, and will be for the foreseeable, possibly permanently, regardless of colonialisation projects It’s sci-fi nonsense. At a gigantic, gigantic expense maybe humanity could establish a Martian colony. But not one that could conceivably survive being cut off from us Earthlings, so it becomes ultimately immaterial as a way to hedge our collective bets. People can survive at the North and South Poles alright, supplied. Cut those off and it’s not really a survivable environment for all outside a very select few. Swap out some of the harshest environments on Earth, a known (and thus far uniquely) life-supporting planet, for a planet that is far from unique in not supporting life and is years away from assistance if shit hits the fan. It’s so outrageously impractical at this juncture to ever seriously consider
If your main goal is the survival of humanity there's a logic to attempting to colonise different planets even if you're unlikely to succeed. Everyone knows that it is outrageously impractical. The idea is that through SpaceX the outrageously impractical becomes a little less impractical until, over time, it's not impractical anymore. In a way they've already achieved this since they're reaching commercial viability.
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On October 26 2024 18:29 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2024 14:32 ggrrg wrote:On October 26 2024 13:45 BlackJack wrote:
So the cybertruck, which is the ugly car that was supposed to highlight Elon Musk’s ineptitude is the 3rd best selling EV in the US, selling more than any EV by Ford, more than any EV by GM, more than any EV by Toyota, Hyundai, Honda, Kia, and the comeback is “oh yeah well it’s only a few thousand more than #4. lol. It’s still behind the #1 and #2 best selling EVs, which you neglect to mention are also Teslas. Sorry this is just not a serious conversation. Obviously, you are not sorry. And obviously, your comment is meant to be sarcastic. You have a long track record of showing that you are incapable of human emotions anyway. Not sure if it is longer than your track record of asinine political statements but it surely is in the same ballpark. Your decision to forgo the comment on your defense of literal Nazis in the face of AfD is on par with your regular posts. But sure, let's ignore everything else and focus on the Cybertruck! In what world is it not "a serious conversation" to show that the Cybertruck is a failure of a product that sells just as badly as other fringe ev cars despite having the advantage of bolstering its sales numbers by pre-orders? How is it not "a serious conversation" to show that its sales are effectively an order of magnitude lower than the sales of the best selling ev car? Not to mention that I never said anything about the model 3 or model Y. As a matter of fact, the model Y is a pretty decent vehicle that also managed to deliver what consumers want. The success of the model Y and model 3 certainly does not show that the Cybertruck is a great product. If anything, it shows that the Cybertruck is a failure that cannot compete on the ev market despite profiting from the legacy of Tesla. I don't know anything about AfD. I don't typically comment on European political parties that I know nothing about. If that makes me a nazi defender then so be it. It's par for the course in terms of criticism I get here.
This almost sounds sincere if it weren't for the fact that you did make a comment about the AFD which demonstratively has swastika waving, Hitler endorsing Neo-nazis amongst its ranks even amongst the upper echelons of the party. And not commenting situations you have no idea about (e.g. European politics) would be commendable, it does not really represent reality, since you not only commented on the AFD but also on the fictional "third world" migrant crisis in Austria... While Austria is one of the least affected EU countries by "third world" migration... and it certainly does not paint you in good light that you feel the need to sneak in a comment painting you as a victim (last quoted sentence). Some honest introspection about your opinions would be way more fitting than some half-assed defense.
But I still don't see how being the 3rd best selling EV makes it a failure. Is anything worse than #1 a failure for Tesla? Seems like a pretty harsh grading scale. But maybe us Nazis deserve to be graded harshly.
As seen in the source I provided, the 3rd best selling vehicle is effectively pulling the same sales as the next 5 best selling vehicles while hugely lagging behind the top 2. And no, not "anything [] worse than #1" would be a failure for Tesla. Any new vehicle that would somewhat pull the same sales as the older Tesla models, would be fine. But the cyber truck that is nowhere close to the older Tesla models in terms of sales, is a failure. Not to mention that "3rd best selling" EV vehicle only applies to the US. Tesla is also dominating the EU EV market with the models y and 3, the cyber truck however cannot even be sold in the EU. As auch this is a huge failure for Tesla - not only does the cyber truck fail to achieve anywhere close to the same success in the US, their previous vehicles did, but it also fails to sell anything in another major market.
And really that last sentence... once again... stop painting yourself as a victim. This is plain disgraceful.
Edit: I attributed somebody else's comment to blackjack. I apologize.
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On October 29 2024 10:35 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2024 18:29 BlackJack wrote:On October 26 2024 14:32 ggrrg wrote:On October 26 2024 13:45 BlackJack wrote:
So the cybertruck, which is the ugly car that was supposed to highlight Elon Musk’s ineptitude is the 3rd best selling EV in the US, selling more than any EV by Ford, more than any EV by GM, more than any EV by Toyota, Hyundai, Honda, Kia, and the comeback is “oh yeah well it’s only a few thousand more than #4. lol. It’s still behind the #1 and #2 best selling EVs, which you neglect to mention are also Teslas. Sorry this is just not a serious conversation. Obviously, you are not sorry. And obviously, your comment is meant to be sarcastic. You have a long track record of showing that you are incapable of human emotions anyway. Not sure if it is longer than your track record of asinine political statements but it surely is in the same ballpark. Your decision to forgo the comment on your defense of literal Nazis in the face of AfD is on par with your regular posts. But sure, let's ignore everything else and focus on the Cybertruck! In what world is it not "a serious conversation" to show that the Cybertruck is a failure of a product that sells just as badly as other fringe ev cars despite having the advantage of bolstering its sales numbers by pre-orders? How is it not "a serious conversation" to show that its sales are effectively an order of magnitude lower than the sales of the best selling ev car? Not to mention that I never said anything about the model 3 or model Y. As a matter of fact, the model Y is a pretty decent vehicle that also managed to deliver what consumers want. The success of the model Y and model 3 certainly does not show that the Cybertruck is a great product. If anything, it shows that the Cybertruck is a failure that cannot compete on the ev market despite profiting from the legacy of Tesla. I don't know anything about AfD. I don't typically comment on European political parties that I know nothing about. If that makes me a nazi defender then so be it. It's par for the course in terms of criticism I get here. This almost sounds sincere if it weren't for the fact that you did make a comment about the AFD which demonstratively has swastika waving, Hitler endorsing Neo-nazis amongst its ranks even amongst the upper echelons of the party. And not commenting situations you have no idea about (e.g. European politics) would be commendable, it does not really represent reality, since you not only commented on the AFD but also on the fictional "third world" migrant crisis in Austria... While Austria is one of the least affected EU countries by "third world" migration... and it certainly does not paint you in good light that you feel the need to sneak in a comment painting you as a victim (last quoted sentence). Some honest introspection about your opinions would be way more fitting than some half-assed defense. Show nested quote +
But I still don't see how being the 3rd best selling EV makes it a failure. Is anything worse than #1 a failure for Tesla? Seems like a pretty harsh grading scale. But maybe us Nazis deserve to be graded harshly.
As seen in the source I provided, the 3rd best selling vehicle is effectively pulling the same sales as the next 5 best selling vehicles while hugely lagging behind the top 2. And no, not "anything [] worse than #1" would be a failure for Tesla. Any new vehicle that would somewhat pull the same sales as the older Tesla models, would be fine. But the cyber truck that is nowhere close to the older Tesla models in terms of sales, is a failure. Not to mention that "3rd best selling" EV vehicle only applies to the US. Tesla is also dominating the EU EV market with the models y and 3, the cyber truck however cannot even be sold in the EU. As auch this is a huge failure for Tesla - not only does the cyber truck fail to achieve anywhere close to the same success in the US, their previous vehicles did, but it also fails to sell anything in another major market. And really that last sentence... once again... stop painting yourself as a victim. This is plain disgraceful.
Feel free to quote what I've said about the AFD because I'm pretty sure I haven't said anything about them. You might want to double check because you might feel foolish ranting at me when you realize you've attributed someone else's comment to me.
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Found this little gem of a website. Collection of Elon's false/empty promises. It's a long list.
https://elonmusk.today/
Lets show a few examples, shall we? Look at all that sweet funding!
![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/642bc7504309ed291d73ed989ebe8ba8.png)
The best Tesla model for $75k can reach an incredible 405 miles. The second best for $49k reaches 330 miles.
Fun fact: the best model from competitors reaches 516 miles.
![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/fc322d8f6d66f30c381e6f7d62f9b8cb.png)
Over six years since the promised date, less than 4000 Tesla models are being produced every week. They might eventually raise it to 7000.
![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/ceed61c5b69648443303c456ee22754a.png)
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Well, he is a politician now and that is what politicians do after all. They lie and make statements they can never hold true and never feel accountable for.
But it's really funny xD
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On October 27 2024 08:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2024 04:37 Timebon3s wrote:
Great post DarkPlasmaBall. I see your points. But I still think he’s done a lot more good than bad. Thanks! Would you mind sharing one or two additional accomplishments of Elon Musk that you believe are admirable?
He has helped Ukraine with starlink after the Russian invasion.
Other than that I can’t say much.
The main thing is his contribution to battery technology and electric cars, which I think is really really important in this day and age.
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On November 01 2024 12:31 Timebon3s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2024 08:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 27 2024 04:37 Timebon3s wrote:
Great post DarkPlasmaBall. I see your points. But I still think he’s done a lot more good than bad. Thanks! Would you mind sharing one or two additional accomplishments of Elon Musk that you believe are admirable? He has helped Ukraine with starlink after the Russian invasion.
Other than that I can’t say much.The main thing is his contribution to battery technology and electric cars, which I think is really really important in this day and age.
Which it turned out he was billing the US government for
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Can we just all please remember the time that he got so upset by someone else rescuing children stuck in a cave that he invented the worst accusations possible against the heroic rescuer?
It says so much about Musk, that story.
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At risk of sounding too conspiratorial: what are the chances musk and trump have been compromised by Russian brainworms?
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On October 30 2024 01:03 Magic Powers wrote:Found this little gem of a website. Collection of Elon's false/empty promises. It's a long list. https://elonmusk.today/Lets show a few examples, shall we? Look at all that sweet funding!
The keyword here is "need." If you aren't familiar, it means something is required, that you must do something, that something is necessary. Though to be fair and not define a word in a more difficult way than the original word, to put it succinctly, it means "can't do without."
"Tesla does not need to ever raise another funding round," he said in response to a question on the company's cash position, liquidity, and rate of cash burn.
"We may want to do so, but we are in a strong cash position, and we don't need to."
He has spoken before that cash infusions allowed more aggressive expansion, accelerating growth of the company at scale at a speed that wouldn't have been possible without them, despite the fact from a pure cashflow perspective the company otherwise was in good shape and not in danger since that time.
On October 30 2024 01:03 Magic Powers wrote:Over six years since the promised date, less than 4000 Tesla models are being produced every week. They might eventually raise it to 7000.
They make more than 4k per day. In 2020 they made just shy of 10k per week. In 2023 they made 1,845,985. I will leave it as a puzzle for my enterprising colleagues what kind of production that represents per week.
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On November 01 2024 23:35 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2024 01:03 Magic Powers wrote:Found this little gem of a website. Collection of Elon's false/empty promises. It's a long list. https://elonmusk.today/Lets show a few examples, shall we? Look at all that sweet funding! The keyword here is "need." If you aren't familiar, it means something is required, that you must do something, that something is necessary. Though to be fair and not define a word in a more difficult way than the original word, to put it succinctly, it means "can't do without." Show nested quote +"Tesla does not need to ever raise another funding round," he said in response to a question on the company's cash position, liquidity, and rate of cash burn.
"We may want to do so, but we are in a strong cash position, and we don't need to." He has spoken before that cash infusions allowed more aggressive expansion, accelerating growth of the company at scale at a speed that wouldn't have been possible without them, despite the fact from a pure cashflow perspective the company otherwise was in good shape and not in danger since that time. Show nested quote +On October 30 2024 01:03 Magic Powers wrote:Over six years since the promised date, less than 4000 Tesla models are being produced every week. They might eventually raise it to 7000. They make more than 4k per day. In 2020 they made just shy of 10k per week. In 2023 they made 1,845,985. I will leave it as a puzzle for my enterprising colleagues what kind of production that represents per week.
Source for your claim about the weekly production?
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On October 29 2024 10:35 ggrrg wrote:
Edit: I attributed somebody else's comment to blackjack. I apologize.
No worries
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Case wasn't turned down was it? I understood Musk wanted it sent to federal court rather than Pennsylvania state court. And that motion was rejected, meaning the state court will have to deal with it. It all seems a bit academic as long as they don't actually stop the handouts from happening. Let's say they do decide it's illegal, Musk pays a fine and they can't repeat the gimmick but they have 4 years to dream up a similar but slightly different one, rinse and repeat.
The only way to stop this is to actually pass laws to limit money spent on campaigns (and all other forms of lobbying)
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On November 02 2024 23:46 Acrofales wrote:Case wasn't turned down was it? I understood Musk wanted it sent to federal court rather than Pennsylvania state court. And that motion was rejected, meaning the state court will have to deal with it. It all seems a bit academic as long as they don't actually stop the handouts from happening. Let's say they do decide it's illegal, Musk pays a fine and they can't repeat the gimmick but they have 4 years to dream up a similar but slightly different one, rinse and repeat. The only way to stop this is to actually pass laws to limit money spent on campaigns (and all other forms of lobbying)
Yeah, I think you're right. Loopholes will continue to get exploited by the super wealthy.
Things such as Super-PACs are equally liked and disliked by both parties. For now at least. Currently there's no incentive for either party to be extremely against or in favor of this anti-democratic practice.
From what I know both Trump and Harris openly criticized Super-PACs. Now, I think they say that but they don't really mean it. They're each complaining about the other side doing it, knowing full well it's a bipartisan practice.
For that bipartisan support (and their fake outrage) to change it would have to clearly favor one side over the other.
Elon's lottery appears to be tolerated by Republicans right now because there seems to be no equivalent on the Democrat side, so they have no reason to complain. He's gaming the system in a new way that favors only one party. Therefore Democrats are rightfully complaining, and that can give people hope that the practice will be banned. But you're also right that another loophole will be found, we just don't know which side is gonna find it first.
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I know it’s not the intent, and I don’t like the spirit of the move at all.
Does this lottery even do what it appears Musk hopes it to do? What’s to stop a bunch of Democrat voters jumping on the train and hoping to get free cash?
Perhaps I’m missing something on the mechanics of it
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On November 03 2024 00:07 WombaT wrote:
I know it’s not the intent, and I don’t like the spirit of the move at all.
Does this lottery even do what it appears Musk hopes it to do? What’s to stop a bunch of Democrat voters jumping on the train and hoping to get free cash?
Perhaps I’m missing something on the mechanics of it
So the attack angle appears to be that, because only registered voters can receive the cash, the prize money of the "giveaway" is tied to voter registration and therefore illegal.
"On Monday, Philadelphia’s district attorney filed a lawsuit to halt Musk’s $1 million cash sweepstakes, which is a part of America PAC’s effort to garner support for Trump. Musk had pledged to give away $1 million a day until the election to voters in battleground states who have signed a petition supporting the Constitution. Legal experts cautioned that the contest was likely illegal, venturing into vote buying territory because participants were required to be registered to vote to win the money."
There are also various other concerns about Elon Musk's dealings with Trump. Conflicts of interest for the most part, but also national safety (since Musk is frequently in talks with Putin).
https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-donald-trump-election-2024-28d023d2ea2d06a8be99add994feb4aa
Considering Musk has previously refused access to Starlink to Ukraine at a crucial time, I think a breach of national interest is more than just a concern, it's just straight up reality.
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On November 03 2024 00:07 WombaT wrote:
I know it’s not the intent, and I don’t like the spirit of the move at all.
Does this lottery even do what it appears Musk hopes it to do? What’s to stop a bunch of Democrat voters jumping on the train and hoping to get free cash?
Perhaps I’m missing something on the mechanics of it
Think the whole point of the sweepstakes is that you have to answer an extremely biased survey, and leave your contact info with America's PAC, accepting that they spam you ad infinitum with "vote Trump" messages. So yes, anybody *can* sign up. But who actually will?
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On November 03 2024 02:25 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2024 00:07 WombaT wrote:
I know it’s not the intent, and I don’t like the spirit of the move at all.
Does this lottery even do what it appears Musk hopes it to do? What’s to stop a bunch of Democrat voters jumping on the train and hoping to get free cash?
Perhaps I’m missing something on the mechanics of it Think the whole point of the sweepstakes is that you have to answer an extremely biased survey, and leave your contact info with America's PAC, accepting that they spam you ad infinitum with "vote Trump" messages. So yes, anybody *can* sign up. But who actually will?
Aye that makes sense, cheers to you and Magic for bringing me up to speed
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