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On November 04 2024 19:12 WombaT wrote:
Space X is what you perhaps get with Musk working with people, Twitter is what you get when he’s calling all the shots.
Okay, i completely understand this, and it's a fair assessment imo.
Tbh i haven't really paid attention to what Musk does or doesn't do, i just know SpaceX and Tesla aren't at least doing bad, don't really care about twitter since it's not really about "sales" or "innovations" anymore, most likely he just dumped money on it just to have it no matter the outcome moneywise. 
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On November 04 2024 13:11 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2024 00:26 Magic Powers wrote:
Foreign born nationals are barred from the positions of president, VP and SCOTUS. All other positions are up for grabs. I'm reading right now that anyone can become Secretary of State (e.g. Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright).
About Tesla: the only thing they're "pushing" is faulty software with major red flags and no confirmation of its safety. Their car models are lackluster and overpriced. They're far behind the curve and they keep falling further behind.
Twitter is hiding its stock value since Musk took over and privated it. My guess is stock is declining because otherwise I'd expect him to have bragged about its success by this point. His silence is deafening.
SpaceX is arguably the only productive company Musk has a major stake in. He doesn't work on this project (he doesn't have any of the required expertise), his employees do all the work while he sits back and spends his time spreading misinformation and hatred on Twitter. His only contribution to SpaceX is that he founded the company and owns it. That's literally it.
Musk is merely the face of capitalism. He's not an inventor of anything. as i already said above, im an ex fan of elons. i do want to push back against your SpaceX claim and his role here. while his role as "chief engineer" is laughable in terms of actually designing any part of the booster/avionics/second stage, what have you, he was involved heavily with how spacex became the giant in the industry. i would highly recommend the recent book "Re-entry" by Eric Berger. while most of the story is focused on the engineers within SpaceX, you can see pivotal moments and design philosophies that were chosen by Elon. even if we pretend he has zero expertise, or value for the company theres no denying that he has pushed that company forward with the clear blueprint of getting to reusable rockets. he made the decision to end the falcon 1 rocket in pursuit of the falcon 9 just months after the falcon 1 was successful. he saw where the market and contracts were moving. as spacex was getting the falcon 9 to be a very reliable rocket and sending cargo up to the ISS, they were iterating towards it landing on droneships and RTLS. he was focused on getting to that point. other rocket companies would have been just stoked to have a medium launch vehicle that was reliable. not spacex and not elon. always cheaper, and faster cadence. and to then even after theyve become a defacto monopoly through sheer skill, what does elon push them towards? Starship, whos goal is to make the Falcon and Dragon products irrelevant. traditional aerospace or companies in general are loathed to try and do something like that. so thats where I will still give elon credit. its that iterative design, first principles silicon valley style disruption philosophy which he baked into the dna of that company now, i do think post 2020 he could have fallen off the face of the earth and they would still be in a great position. they dont need him anymore, and if anything (as Eric Berger suggests in the books final chapter) he is practically the only one who could doom them or lose their extraordinary lead. my synopsis for him today is that he was half brilliant and half idiot, and either due to ketamine, or twitter brain rot has moved that 50/50 to more of a 10/90. but make no mistake he once was amazing at hiring engineers and people smarter than him, and also making them buy into crazy visions and accomplishing them.
I appreciate the pushback. But I gotta say, I think Musk is a broken clock that's right twice a day. He could be extremely good and right about one thing in particular and I wouldn't care very much, because he's extremely bad and wrong about ninety other things. What later became PayPal was the result of a mess of an amteurish code that needed serious fixing. That code was his. He sold the company before he had a chance to drive it to ruin. The fact that he created SpaceX and spent tons of money on new, unproven tech is a consequence of his divergent mind - the same divergence which also leads him to support Trump, block Starlink from Ukraine, destroy his relationship with his transgender daughter, etc.
He has a massive ego that explodes at the slightest touch. When the founders of Tesla didn't name him because he was merely one of the investors, he had a complete meltdown. Drove them out of the company and made himself the face of Tesla. He's a manchild.
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On November 04 2024 11:59 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2024 11:36 BlackJack wrote:
Elon Musk is the inverse Jesus. Anything bad that happens at his companies is because of him and anything good that happens at his companies is in spite of him. I mean, pretty much? In this small thread alone plenty of evidence has been posted. Have you read through the website I posted? I haven't seen anyone debunking any of the information so far. oBlade has made a wild claim about big Tesla production and he has never responded to my request for a source.
Wild claim hahaha. You claimed they don't even make 4000 cars a week, with no evidence. You have interesting standards of proof.
My claims have the advantage of being right, and easily Googleable, because Tesla is a publicly traded car company and they publish earnings reports, quarterly and annually. I thought it went without saying that anybody could take 5 seconds and look up their actual production figures from a legit source instead of your conspiracy website which also contains no links to any sources whatsoever.
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On November 04 2024 20:19 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2024 13:11 Husyelt wrote:On November 04 2024 00:26 Magic Powers wrote:
Foreign born nationals are barred from the positions of president, VP and SCOTUS. All other positions are up for grabs. I'm reading right now that anyone can become Secretary of State (e.g. Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright).
About Tesla: the only thing they're "pushing" is faulty software with major red flags and no confirmation of its safety. Their car models are lackluster and overpriced. They're far behind the curve and they keep falling further behind.
Twitter is hiding its stock value since Musk took over and privated it. My guess is stock is declining because otherwise I'd expect him to have bragged about its success by this point. His silence is deafening.
SpaceX is arguably the only productive company Musk has a major stake in. He doesn't work on this project (he doesn't have any of the required expertise), his employees do all the work while he sits back and spends his time spreading misinformation and hatred on Twitter. His only contribution to SpaceX is that he founded the company and owns it. That's literally it.
Musk is merely the face of capitalism. He's not an inventor of anything. as i already said above, im an ex fan of elons. i do want to push back against your SpaceX claim and his role here. while his role as "chief engineer" is laughable in terms of actually designing any part of the booster/avionics/second stage, what have you, he was involved heavily with how spacex became the giant in the industry. i would highly recommend the recent book "Re-entry" by Eric Berger. while most of the story is focused on the engineers within SpaceX, you can see pivotal moments and design philosophies that were chosen by Elon. even if we pretend he has zero expertise, or value for the company theres no denying that he has pushed that company forward with the clear blueprint of getting to reusable rockets. he made the decision to end the falcon 1 rocket in pursuit of the falcon 9 just months after the falcon 1 was successful. he saw where the market and contracts were moving. as spacex was getting the falcon 9 to be a very reliable rocket and sending cargo up to the ISS, they were iterating towards it landing on droneships and RTLS. he was focused on getting to that point. other rocket companies would have been just stoked to have a medium launch vehicle that was reliable. not spacex and not elon. always cheaper, and faster cadence. and to then even after theyve become a defacto monopoly through sheer skill, what does elon push them towards? Starship, whos goal is to make the Falcon and Dragon products irrelevant. traditional aerospace or companies in general are loathed to try and do something like that. so thats where I will still give elon credit. its that iterative design, first principles silicon valley style disruption philosophy which he baked into the dna of that company now, i do think post 2020 he could have fallen off the face of the earth and they would still be in a great position. they dont need him anymore, and if anything (as Eric Berger suggests in the books final chapter) he is practically the only one who could doom them or lose their extraordinary lead. my synopsis for him today is that he was half brilliant and half idiot, and either due to ketamine, or twitter brain rot has moved that 50/50 to more of a 10/90. but make no mistake he once was amazing at hiring engineers and people smarter than him, and also making them buy into crazy visions and accomplishing them. I appreciate the pushback. But I gotta say, I think Musk is a broken clock that's right twice a day. He could be extremely good and right about one thing in particular and I wouldn't care very much, because he's extremely bad and wrong about ninety other things. What later became PayPal was the result of a mess of an amteurish code that needed serious fixing. That code was his. He sold the company before he had a chance to drive it to ruin. The fact that he created SpaceX and spent tons of money on new, unproven tech is a consequence of his divergent mind - the same divergence which also leads him to support Trump, block Starlink from Ukraine, destroy his relationship with his transgender daughter, etc. He has a massive ego that explodes at the slightest touch. When the founders of Tesla didn't name him because he was merely one of the investors, he had a complete meltdown. Drove them out of the company and made himself the face of Tesla. He's a manchild.
Not really sure if it is worth to keep the discussion on if this is what you actually think happened.
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I posted this excerpt from Walter Isaacson’s biography in the NASA thread after SpaceX caught the starship booster
The Falcon 9 had become the world's only rapidly reusable rocket. During 2020, Falcon boosters had landed safely twenty-three times, coming down upright on landing legs. The video feeds of the fiery yet gentle landings still made Musk leap from his chair. Nevertheless, he was not enamored with the landing legs being planned for Starship's booster. They added weight, thus cutting the size of the payloads the booster could lift.
"Why don't we try to use the tower to catch it?" he [ELON] asked. He was referring to the tower that holds the rocket on the launchpad. Musk had already come up with the idea of using that tower to stack the rocket; it had a set of arms that could pick up the first-stage booster, place it on the launch mount, then pick up the second-stage spacecraft, and place it atop the booster. Now he was suggesting that these arms could also be used to catch the booster when it returned to Earth.
It was a wild idea, and there was a lot of consternation in the room. "If the booster comes back down to the tower and crashes into it, you can't launch the next rocket for a long time," Bill Riley says. "But we agreed to study different ways to do it."
A few weeks later, just after Christmas 2020, the team gathered to brainstorm. Most engineers argued against trying to use the tower to catch the booster. The stacking arms were already dangerously complex. After more than an hour of argument, a consensus was forming to stick with the old idea of putting landing legs on the booster. But Stephen Harlow, the vehicle engineering director, kept arguing for the more audacious approach. "We have this tower, so why not try to use it?"
After another hour of debate, Musk stepped in. "Harlow, you're on board with this plan," he said. "So why don't you be in charge of it?"
I think it’s fair to say that if anyone else was at the helm it wouldn’t have happened. Why risk blowing up your entire launch tower? If it did blow up I’m sure Elon would have been getting hate for it being a stupid idea. But because it didn’t blow up instead it’s “Elon didn’t do shit. The engineers did that.” So as I said, he’s the inverse Jesus in some people’s eyes.
Honestly what are you going to say to someone that thinks Musk’s companies are shit when they’ve made a car that goes 0-60 in under 2 seconds and they’ve made rockets that land vertically and get caught out of the sky. “BuT WhErE aRe ThE RobOTaXIs?!”
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On November 04 2024 20:26 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2024 11:59 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 11:36 BlackJack wrote:
Elon Musk is the inverse Jesus. Anything bad that happens at his companies is because of him and anything good that happens at his companies is in spite of him. I mean, pretty much? In this small thread alone plenty of evidence has been posted. Have you read through the website I posted? I haven't seen anyone debunking any of the information so far. oBlade has made a wild claim about big Tesla production and he has never responded to my request for a source. Wild claim hahaha. You claimed they don't even make 4000 cars a week, with no evidence. You have interesting standards of proof. My claims have the advantage of being right, and easily Googleable, because Tesla is a publicly traded car company and they publish earnings reports, quarterly and annually. I thought it went without saying that anybody could take 5 seconds and look up their actual production figures from a legit source instead of your conspiracy website which also contains no links to any sources whatsoever.
Quick google says 3rd Quarter of 2024 they produced and shipped about 470.000 units worldwide. That is about 36.000 a week.
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On November 04 2024 20:26 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2024 11:59 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 11:36 BlackJack wrote:
Elon Musk is the inverse Jesus. Anything bad that happens at his companies is because of him and anything good that happens at his companies is in spite of him. I mean, pretty much? In this small thread alone plenty of evidence has been posted. Have you read through the website I posted? I haven't seen anyone debunking any of the information so far. oBlade has made a wild claim about big Tesla production and he has never responded to my request for a source. Wild claim hahaha. You claimed they don't even make 4000 cars a week, with no evidence. You have interesting standards of proof. My claims have the advantage of being right, and easily Googleable, because Tesla is a publicly traded car company and they publish earnings reports, quarterly and annually. I thought it went without saying that anybody could take 5 seconds and look up their actual production figures from a legit source instead of your conspiracy website which also contains no links to any sources whatsoever.
What makes you say I have no evidence? Try using a search machine, that's what people generally do when they want to look up information online. Google is a good option, personally I prefer Bing.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/teslas-german-plant-hits-4000-cars-per-week-ahead-schedule-2023-02-27
Your claim is false.
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On November 04 2024 20:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2024 20:19 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 13:11 Husyelt wrote:On November 04 2024 00:26 Magic Powers wrote:
Foreign born nationals are barred from the positions of president, VP and SCOTUS. All other positions are up for grabs. I'm reading right now that anyone can become Secretary of State (e.g. Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright).
About Tesla: the only thing they're "pushing" is faulty software with major red flags and no confirmation of its safety. Their car models are lackluster and overpriced. They're far behind the curve and they keep falling further behind.
Twitter is hiding its stock value since Musk took over and privated it. My guess is stock is declining because otherwise I'd expect him to have bragged about its success by this point. His silence is deafening.
SpaceX is arguably the only productive company Musk has a major stake in. He doesn't work on this project (he doesn't have any of the required expertise), his employees do all the work while he sits back and spends his time spreading misinformation and hatred on Twitter. His only contribution to SpaceX is that he founded the company and owns it. That's literally it.
Musk is merely the face of capitalism. He's not an inventor of anything. as i already said above, im an ex fan of elons. i do want to push back against your SpaceX claim and his role here. while his role as "chief engineer" is laughable in terms of actually designing any part of the booster/avionics/second stage, what have you, he was involved heavily with how spacex became the giant in the industry. i would highly recommend the recent book "Re-entry" by Eric Berger. while most of the story is focused on the engineers within SpaceX, you can see pivotal moments and design philosophies that were chosen by Elon. even if we pretend he has zero expertise, or value for the company theres no denying that he has pushed that company forward with the clear blueprint of getting to reusable rockets. he made the decision to end the falcon 1 rocket in pursuit of the falcon 9 just months after the falcon 1 was successful. he saw where the market and contracts were moving. as spacex was getting the falcon 9 to be a very reliable rocket and sending cargo up to the ISS, they were iterating towards it landing on droneships and RTLS. he was focused on getting to that point. other rocket companies would have been just stoked to have a medium launch vehicle that was reliable. not spacex and not elon. always cheaper, and faster cadence. and to then even after theyve become a defacto monopoly through sheer skill, what does elon push them towards? Starship, whos goal is to make the Falcon and Dragon products irrelevant. traditional aerospace or companies in general are loathed to try and do something like that. so thats where I will still give elon credit. its that iterative design, first principles silicon valley style disruption philosophy which he baked into the dna of that company now, i do think post 2020 he could have fallen off the face of the earth and they would still be in a great position. they dont need him anymore, and if anything (as Eric Berger suggests in the books final chapter) he is practically the only one who could doom them or lose their extraordinary lead. my synopsis for him today is that he was half brilliant and half idiot, and either due to ketamine, or twitter brain rot has moved that 50/50 to more of a 10/90. but make no mistake he once was amazing at hiring engineers and people smarter than him, and also making them buy into crazy visions and accomplishing them. I appreciate the pushback. But I gotta say, I think Musk is a broken clock that's right twice a day. He could be extremely good and right about one thing in particular and I wouldn't care very much, because he's extremely bad and wrong about ninety other things. What later became PayPal was the result of a mess of an amteurish code that needed serious fixing. That code was his. He sold the company before he had a chance to drive it to ruin. The fact that he created SpaceX and spent tons of money on new, unproven tech is a consequence of his divergent mind - the same divergence which also leads him to support Trump, block Starlink from Ukraine, destroy his relationship with his transgender daughter, etc. He has a massive ego that explodes at the slightest touch. When the founders of Tesla didn't name him because he was merely one of the investors, he had a complete meltdown. Drove them out of the company and made himself the face of Tesla. He's a manchild. Not really sure if it is worth to keep the discussion on if this is what you actually think happened.
Oh that is exactly what happened. He also called a cave diver a pedophile and put children's lives at risk.
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I'm reading through this interview with Walter Isaacson right now, and the longer I keep going the more unhinged Elon Musk looks. The author can't help but confirm how terrible Musk actually is, point for point. It's like he's trying to be as kind to the man as he can, but he also knows the truth about him and he believes in the truth so he literally can't make excuses.
https://time.com/6458925/walter-isaacson-elon-musks-legacy-biography/
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On November 04 2024 21:13 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2024 20:26 oBlade wrote:On November 04 2024 11:59 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 11:36 BlackJack wrote:
Elon Musk is the inverse Jesus. Anything bad that happens at his companies is because of him and anything good that happens at his companies is in spite of him. I mean, pretty much? In this small thread alone plenty of evidence has been posted. Have you read through the website I posted? I haven't seen anyone debunking any of the information so far. oBlade has made a wild claim about big Tesla production and he has never responded to my request for a source. Wild claim hahaha. You claimed they don't even make 4000 cars a week, with no evidence. You have interesting standards of proof. My claims have the advantage of being right, and easily Googleable, because Tesla is a publicly traded car company and they publish earnings reports, quarterly and annually. I thought it went without saying that anybody could take 5 seconds and look up their actual production figures from a legit source instead of your conspiracy website which also contains no links to any sources whatsoever. What makes you say I have no evidence? Try using a search machine, that's what people generally do when they want to look up information online. Google is a good option, personally I prefer Bing. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/teslas-german-plant-hits-4000-cars-per-week-ahead-schedule-2023-02-27Your claim is false.
Okay this is confusing. You first quoted a claim from 2018 that they didn't produce 10k cars a week in general then you proceed to a source which is only the Gigafactory Berlin, which was build in 2022 mind you, to have only an output of 4k cars a week. While in the same articel it is mentioned that Gigafactory Shanghai does about 20k cars a week...
What are you trying to proof?
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On November 04 2024 21:38 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2024 21:13 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 20:26 oBlade wrote:On November 04 2024 11:59 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 11:36 BlackJack wrote:
Elon Musk is the inverse Jesus. Anything bad that happens at his companies is because of him and anything good that happens at his companies is in spite of him. I mean, pretty much? In this small thread alone plenty of evidence has been posted. Have you read through the website I posted? I haven't seen anyone debunking any of the information so far. oBlade has made a wild claim about big Tesla production and he has never responded to my request for a source. Wild claim hahaha. You claimed they don't even make 4000 cars a week, with no evidence. You have interesting standards of proof. My claims have the advantage of being right, and easily Googleable, because Tesla is a publicly traded car company and they publish earnings reports, quarterly and annually. I thought it went without saying that anybody could take 5 seconds and look up their actual production figures from a legit source instead of your conspiracy website which also contains no links to any sources whatsoever. What makes you say I have no evidence? Try using a search machine, that's what people generally do when they want to look up information online. Google is a good option, personally I prefer Bing. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/teslas-german-plant-hits-4000-cars-per-week-ahead-schedule-2023-02-27Your claim is false. Okay this is confusing. You first quoted a claim from 2018 that they didn't produce 10k cars a week in general then you proceed to a source which is only the Gigafactory Berlin, which was build in 2022 mind you, to have only an output of 4k cars a week. While in the same articel it is mentioned that Gigafactory Shanghai does about 20k cars a week... What are you trying to proof?
The Shanghai factory was opened in 2019. My mistake for moving the argument from past production to current production. My current numbers are wrong. However, this changes nothing about his false promises from years ago. He was off by several years.
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On November 04 2024 21:54 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2024 21:38 Harris1st wrote:On November 04 2024 21:13 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 20:26 oBlade wrote:On November 04 2024 11:59 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 11:36 BlackJack wrote:
Elon Musk is the inverse Jesus. Anything bad that happens at his companies is because of him and anything good that happens at his companies is in spite of him. I mean, pretty much? In this small thread alone plenty of evidence has been posted. Have you read through the website I posted? I haven't seen anyone debunking any of the information so far. oBlade has made a wild claim about big Tesla production and he has never responded to my request for a source. Wild claim hahaha. You claimed they don't even make 4000 cars a week, with no evidence. You have interesting standards of proof. My claims have the advantage of being right, and easily Googleable, because Tesla is a publicly traded car company and they publish earnings reports, quarterly and annually. I thought it went without saying that anybody could take 5 seconds and look up their actual production figures from a legit source instead of your conspiracy website which also contains no links to any sources whatsoever. What makes you say I have no evidence? Try using a search machine, that's what people generally do when they want to look up information online. Google is a good option, personally I prefer Bing. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/teslas-german-plant-hits-4000-cars-per-week-ahead-schedule-2023-02-27Your claim is false. Okay this is confusing. You first quoted a claim from 2018 that they didn't produce 10k cars a week in general then you proceed to a source which is only the Gigafactory Berlin, which was build in 2022 mind you, to have only an output of 4k cars a week. While in the same articel it is mentioned that Gigafactory Shanghai does about 20k cars a week... What are you trying to proof? The Shanghai factory was opened in 2019. My mistake for moving the argument from past production to current production. My current numbers are wrong. However, this changes nothing about his false promises from years ago. He was off by several years.
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He was off by 1,5 years yes. First time they did 10.000+ a week was Q3 2020. though they did get close to it by Q4 2018.
For the record, I'm not trying to defend Musk here. I think he is a despicable human. But he seems a great businessman.
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On November 04 2024 22:05 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2024 21:54 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 21:38 Harris1st wrote:On November 04 2024 21:13 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 20:26 oBlade wrote:On November 04 2024 11:59 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 11:36 BlackJack wrote:
Elon Musk is the inverse Jesus. Anything bad that happens at his companies is because of him and anything good that happens at his companies is in spite of him. I mean, pretty much? In this small thread alone plenty of evidence has been posted. Have you read through the website I posted? I haven't seen anyone debunking any of the information so far. oBlade has made a wild claim about big Tesla production and he has never responded to my request for a source. Wild claim hahaha. You claimed they don't even make 4000 cars a week, with no evidence. You have interesting standards of proof. My claims have the advantage of being right, and easily Googleable, because Tesla is a publicly traded car company and they publish earnings reports, quarterly and annually. I thought it went without saying that anybody could take 5 seconds and look up their actual production figures from a legit source instead of your conspiracy website which also contains no links to any sources whatsoever. What makes you say I have no evidence? Try using a search machine, that's what people generally do when they want to look up information online. Google is a good option, personally I prefer Bing. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/teslas-german-plant-hits-4000-cars-per-week-ahead-schedule-2023-02-27Your claim is false. Okay this is confusing. You first quoted a claim from 2018 that they didn't produce 10k cars a week in general then you proceed to a source which is only the Gigafactory Berlin, which was build in 2022 mind you, to have only an output of 4k cars a week. While in the same articel it is mentioned that Gigafactory Shanghai does about 20k cars a week... What are you trying to proof? The Shanghai factory was opened in 2019. My mistake for moving the argument from past production to current production. My current numbers are wrong. However, this changes nothing about his false promises from years ago. He was off by several years. . He was off by 1,5 years yes. First time they did 10.000+ a week was Q3 2020. though they did get close to it by Q4 2018. For the record, I'm not trying to defend Musk here. I think he is a despicable human. But he seems a great businessman.
This "great businessman" said he's going to buy Twitter for $44 billion, then desperately wanted to back out when he was being legally held to his words, then Twitter allegedly lost 80% of the value since Musk's purchase.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/02/business/elon-musk-twitter-x-fidelity/index.html
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On November 04 2024 22:13 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2024 22:05 Harris1st wrote:On November 04 2024 21:54 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 21:38 Harris1st wrote:On November 04 2024 21:13 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 20:26 oBlade wrote:On November 04 2024 11:59 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 11:36 BlackJack wrote:
Elon Musk is the inverse Jesus. Anything bad that happens at his companies is because of him and anything good that happens at his companies is in spite of him. I mean, pretty much? In this small thread alone plenty of evidence has been posted. Have you read through the website I posted? I haven't seen anyone debunking any of the information so far. oBlade has made a wild claim about big Tesla production and he has never responded to my request for a source. Wild claim hahaha. You claimed they don't even make 4000 cars a week, with no evidence. You have interesting standards of proof. My claims have the advantage of being right, and easily Googleable, because Tesla is a publicly traded car company and they publish earnings reports, quarterly and annually. I thought it went without saying that anybody could take 5 seconds and look up their actual production figures from a legit source instead of your conspiracy website which also contains no links to any sources whatsoever. What makes you say I have no evidence? Try using a search machine, that's what people generally do when they want to look up information online. Google is a good option, personally I prefer Bing. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/teslas-german-plant-hits-4000-cars-per-week-ahead-schedule-2023-02-27Your claim is false. Okay this is confusing. You first quoted a claim from 2018 that they didn't produce 10k cars a week in general then you proceed to a source which is only the Gigafactory Berlin, which was build in 2022 mind you, to have only an output of 4k cars a week. While in the same articel it is mentioned that Gigafactory Shanghai does about 20k cars a week... What are you trying to proof? The Shanghai factory was opened in 2019. My mistake for moving the argument from past production to current production. My current numbers are wrong. However, this changes nothing about his false promises from years ago. He was off by several years. . He was off by 1,5 years yes. First time they did 10.000+ a week was Q3 2020. though they did get close to it by Q4 2018. For the record, I'm not trying to defend Musk here. I think he is a despicable human. But he seems a great businessman. This "great businessman" said he's going to buy Twitter for $44 billion, then desperately wanted to back out when he was being legally held to his words, then Twitter allegedly lost 80% of the value since Musk's purchase. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/02/business/elon-musk-twitter-x-fidelity/index.html
Sure but:
https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#74695b803d78
Turns out it is great business to surround yourself with smart people and give them a boatload of money to build smart stuff for the masses.
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On November 04 2024 22:46 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2024 22:13 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 22:05 Harris1st wrote:On November 04 2024 21:54 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 21:38 Harris1st wrote:On November 04 2024 21:13 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 20:26 oBlade wrote:On November 04 2024 11:59 Magic Powers wrote:On November 04 2024 11:36 BlackJack wrote:
Elon Musk is the inverse Jesus. Anything bad that happens at his companies is because of him and anything good that happens at his companies is in spite of him. I mean, pretty much? In this small thread alone plenty of evidence has been posted. Have you read through the website I posted? I haven't seen anyone debunking any of the information so far. oBlade has made a wild claim about big Tesla production and he has never responded to my request for a source. Wild claim hahaha. You claimed they don't even make 4000 cars a week, with no evidence. You have interesting standards of proof. My claims have the advantage of being right, and easily Googleable, because Tesla is a publicly traded car company and they publish earnings reports, quarterly and annually. I thought it went without saying that anybody could take 5 seconds and look up their actual production figures from a legit source instead of your conspiracy website which also contains no links to any sources whatsoever. What makes you say I have no evidence? Try using a search machine, that's what people generally do when they want to look up information online. Google is a good option, personally I prefer Bing. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/teslas-german-plant-hits-4000-cars-per-week-ahead-schedule-2023-02-27Your claim is false. Okay this is confusing. You first quoted a claim from 2018 that they didn't produce 10k cars a week in general then you proceed to a source which is only the Gigafactory Berlin, which was build in 2022 mind you, to have only an output of 4k cars a week. While in the same articel it is mentioned that Gigafactory Shanghai does about 20k cars a week... What are you trying to proof? The Shanghai factory was opened in 2019. My mistake for moving the argument from past production to current production. My current numbers are wrong. However, this changes nothing about his false promises from years ago. He was off by several years. . He was off by 1,5 years yes. First time they did 10.000+ a week was Q3 2020. though they did get close to it by Q4 2018. For the record, I'm not trying to defend Musk here. I think he is a despicable human. But he seems a great businessman. This "great businessman" said he's going to buy Twitter for $44 billion, then desperately wanted to back out when he was being legally held to his words, then Twitter allegedly lost 80% of the value since Musk's purchase. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/02/business/elon-musk-twitter-x-fidelity/index.html Sure but: https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#74695b803d78Turns out it is great business to surround yourself with smart people and give them a boatload of money to build smart stuff for the masses.
Right. And it also helps to campaign for Trump who's gonna reduce taxes on the top 1% rather than Harris who will raise taxes on them. It's just great business. He'll also raise taxes on the bottom 20% whereas Harris will reduce them. And I'm here to tell people that this is why Musk is their enemy, not their friend.
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I think Musk has great conviction in what he believes and will not be stopped by anything. Hence his ability to lead the way in groundbreaking industries such as electric cars and space travel.
Unfortunately his great conviction also makes him a giant asshole, because he can’t take no for an answer and will never admit that he is wrong.
Too many people on the left dismiss his achievements because he is an asshole who disagrees with them currently, and too many people on the right idolise him wihile dismissing the fact that he is an asshole who says some abhorrent things.
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On November 04 2024 23:51 gobbledydook wrote:
I think Musk has great conviction in what he believes and will not be stopped by anything. Hence his ability to lead the way in groundbreaking industries such as electric cars and space travel.
Unfortunately his great conviction also makes him a giant asshole, because he can’t take no for an answer and will never admit that he is wrong.
Too many people on the left dismiss his achievements because he is an asshole who disagrees with them currently, and too many people on the right idolise him wihile dismissing the fact that he is an asshole who says some abhorrent things.
Some folks on the right like him precisely because he does those things, not in spite of them.
But yeah, fair points.
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On November 04 2024 23:51 gobbledydook wrote:
I think Musk has great conviction in what he believes and will not be stopped by anything. Hence his ability to lead the way in groundbreaking industries such as electric cars and space travel.
Unfortunately his great conviction also makes him a giant asshole, because he can’t take no for an answer and will never admit that he is wrong.
Too many people on the left dismiss his achievements because he is an asshole who disagrees with them currently, and too many people on the right idolise him wihile dismissing the fact that he is an asshole who says some abhorrent things.
Also all his wealth and achievements have come from direct government intervention and buckets of taxpayer cash, to companies started with the wealth from his Minnesotan parents who got the opportunity to own an apartheid emerald mine. Yet his narrative is that hes a self made billionare whos self started these massive companies and won in the market because they were so groundbreaking and innovative. Every time he talks about something great his company did it always comes off as someone having to spend hours explaining basic things to him, when he doesn't have that like with twitter he gets exposed as being a fraud. The cybertruck being a massive failure because of the very clear influences he had on it and the things he seems really interested in alongside the massive self-sabotage of self driving proves this.
Being the guy that says "yeah engineers go do whatever you want we have the money" can work really well when you've got the american taxpayer footing the bill.
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Lawyers for America PAC and its director, Chris Young, said the group doled out the funds based on who would be the best spokespeople for its pro-Trump agenda, despite the billionaire's assertion that winners would be chosen randomly.
Is there a better example for the thread? He lied to everyone for propaganda purposes with a fake lottery. He can't be charged with anything and no one had any damages so he'll never be liable for this.
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On November 05 2024 10:57 Sermokala wrote:www.reuters.comShow nested quote +Lawyers for America PAC and its director, Chris Young, said the group doled out the funds based on who would be the best spokespeople for its pro-Trump agenda, despite the billionaire's assertion that winners would be chosen randomly. Is there a better example for the thread? He lied to everyone for propaganda purposes with a fake lottery. He can't be charged with anything and no one had any damages so he'll never be liable for this.
This current incarnation of Musk will eventually completely destroy his personal wealth and influence, so we have that to look forward to.
He could have just sat back and been an interested observer as his various companies that made him the richest man on the planet did their thing.
Instead he’s well, doing his current thing. It might take a while but it’s eventually going to bite him on the arse and man it’s going to be rather enjoyable
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