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United States41964 Posts
On November 25 2024 17:41 BlackJack wrote:
This place is an echo chamber but that doesn't mean they are extreme left. Sure, they demonize anyone that disagrees with them as a racist, misogynist, fascist, sexist, transphobic, xenophobic, white supremacist nazi. But that's not extreme left, that's mainstream left. Hell, they've been arguing that the leading EV car brand is shit and it's only propped up by bullshit government subsidies on green tech. That's basically a Republican talking point.
Buddy, you're literally within the echo chamber. You're a tl poster. Spidermanpointingatspiderman.jpg
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On November 26 2024 01:26 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2024 01:04 WombaT wrote:On November 26 2024 00:58 Magic Powers wrote:On November 26 2024 00:48 WombaT wrote:On November 26 2024 00:39 Magic Powers wrote:On November 26 2024 00:36 oBlade wrote:On November 26 2024 00:23 Magic Powers wrote:On November 26 2024 00:01 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 23:40 Magic Powers wrote:On November 25 2024 22:26 oBlade wrote:
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Nobody was talking about that person. You just showed your cards (or rather only card) for no reason. Elon Musk is literally Trump's capitalist right hand. You can troll better than that. Also, no. I never called Elon Musk a fascist. I have said he supports fascism, which is different in the sense that he's a useful idiot, not a fascist himself. A supporter of fascism in English is called a "fascist" which you also directly called him, which is fine. On November 11 2024 04:14 Magic Powers wrote:On November 11 2024 01:33 oBlade wrote:
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They implemented ad sharing in 2023. I still don't know what your point is. Do you not understand that Twitter users made money through Twitter prior to Elon Musk? Is that completely unbeknownst to you? Like, just admit it. You don't have to try every single attack angle against the person who hates a fascist. Ah yes, the right-wing tactic of re-defining the words people use to make them mean something else. And no, I didn't call him a fascist. 1) That's how nouns have always worked. The fact that artists do art is not a "durr right-wing tactic talking point Fox News Alex Jones qanon ivermectin." Like you just called him a capitalist. That's not because he opposes capitalism. The people who support fascism are not generally liberal democratic progressive humans rights lawyers. 2) It is materially insignificant to the greater point that was being made by another poster - it is a distinction without a difference - whether you are othering everyone who differs from you as "fascists" or as merely "useful idiots" which is not, frankly, any better - the problem is most likely on your end. 3) It's in the quote. We have eyes. 1) Words have meanings and you clearly let your right-wing bias reshape the meaning of words. The words you're using don't mean what you think they do. I would suggest going back to school, but in your case education would change nothing because you're too ideologically compromised. 2) See 1 3) No, it's not in the quote. You lack eyes. I think it’s somewhat instructive that they continue to stick on this point rather than addressing the ‘this is stuff Elon Musk actually did and this is why people in the UK were pissed off’ point I made up the page, and have made multiple times with little actual response. I mean we’ve seen this 1-2 punch for years with Trump now so it’s not surprising 1. ‘People who don’t like Trump think he’s literally Hitler’ 2. I’ll argue (correctly) that Trump isn’t literally Hitler so I can just perpetually dodge complete valid criticisms Over the years while dealing with politics I've learned that people who are closer to the political fringes always use narrow/false framing when they consume any kind of media. What you're pointing out with the actual reasoning behind the UK protests is a common problem in politics nowadays, where people take things completely out of context and then act as if the issue is the exact opposite of reality. Some journalistic digging reveals that often the narrative has been flipped 180 by radical voices. It's so common now that I've come to expect it with everything, which is why I often don't comment on fresh news (such as the recent Amstercam hooligan violence) until I've done some rigorous digging myself. This is especially important since cameras are being used to lie to us. This was always a problem, but now everyone has cameras so everyone can spread a lie by using narrow/false framing. It’s fucking hard to counter as well. I genuinely don’t know how I did it back in the day, I recall being in some group that was sharing a video about Muslims hunting down other Brits over here and rioting Video was actually from disturbances in Israel/Palestine like 3 years prior I mean I knew it was bullshit immediately but I can’t remember how I actually tracked down the original source. I think the fact that you knew it's BS is because you're not ideologically compromised to begin with. But of course we all have biases that affect how readily we believe a narrative, so none of us are entirely immune. If I take myself as a counter-example to you, when I consume media I have to remind myself that I have some amount of left-wing bias, and that helps me to not automatically believe various claims from left-wingers, but I have to remind myself every time. It's easy for me to notice right-wing misinformation because I come in with the expectation that a significant portion of their information is based on false framing. So regarding left-wing information I have to - ironically - be more cautious because I'm more open to it. This is how people move further right/left and then to the fringes. People's bias eventually becomes a runaway train where they buy absolutely everything from their own side. I belive this is how Trump came to power. In the late 2010s there was a heavy right-wing disinformation campaign that went online and quickly infected normie online spaces. I'm talking about behavior of the exact same nature as Elon's on Twitter. It reached all of online media, not just social media. Every single online space, including video games, is filled with the propaganda and hateful rhetoric. I'm not just talking about Destiny and Hasan Piker, but even people like Asmongold, who was previously just a normie gamer. He went full right-wing over the years while consuming their propaganda, and recently it resulted in him openly supporting genocide. He was banned from Twitch for two weeks and now he still spreads right-wing propaganda and misinformation. And he's so rich that the split in his audience doesn't bother him. Some of them can't rationalize why they're still watching him while others are cheering for his continued derailment. His arc is one of the best examples of the right-wing shift during the Trump era. What happened to him is also what happened to millions of other people.
Streamers are toxic as all hell these days tbh.
When it comes to politics youtubers like Shaun are the way forward imho.
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Northern Ireland23780 Posts
On November 26 2024 01:30 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2024 01:26 Magic Powers wrote:On November 26 2024 01:04 WombaT wrote:On November 26 2024 00:58 Magic Powers wrote:On November 26 2024 00:48 WombaT wrote:On November 26 2024 00:39 Magic Powers wrote:On November 26 2024 00:36 oBlade wrote:On November 26 2024 00:23 Magic Powers wrote:On November 26 2024 00:01 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 23:40 Magic Powers wrote:
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Elon Musk is literally Trump's capitalist right hand. You can troll better than that.
Also, no. I never called Elon Musk a fascist. I have said he supports fascism, which is different in the sense that he's a useful idiot, not a fascist himself. A supporter of fascism in English is called a "fascist" which you also directly called him, which is fine. On November 11 2024 04:14 Magic Powers wrote:
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I still don't know what your point is. Do you not understand that Twitter users made money through Twitter prior to Elon Musk? Is that completely unbeknownst to you? Like, just admit it. You don't have to try every single attack angle against the person who hates a fascist. Ah yes, the right-wing tactic of re-defining the words people use to make them mean something else. And no, I didn't call him a fascist. 1) That's how nouns have always worked. The fact that artists do art is not a "durr right-wing tactic talking point Fox News Alex Jones qanon ivermectin." Like you just called him a capitalist. That's not because he opposes capitalism. The people who support fascism are not generally liberal democratic progressive humans rights lawyers. 2) It is materially insignificant to the greater point that was being made by another poster - it is a distinction without a difference - whether you are othering everyone who differs from you as "fascists" or as merely "useful idiots" which is not, frankly, any better - the problem is most likely on your end. 3) It's in the quote. We have eyes. 1) Words have meanings and you clearly let your right-wing bias reshape the meaning of words. The words you're using don't mean what you think they do. I would suggest going back to school, but in your case education would change nothing because you're too ideologically compromised. 2) See 1 3) No, it's not in the quote. You lack eyes. I think it’s somewhat instructive that they continue to stick on this point rather than addressing the ‘this is stuff Elon Musk actually did and this is why people in the UK were pissed off’ point I made up the page, and have made multiple times with little actual response. I mean we’ve seen this 1-2 punch for years with Trump now so it’s not surprising 1. ‘People who don’t like Trump think he’s literally Hitler’ 2. I’ll argue (correctly) that Trump isn’t literally Hitler so I can just perpetually dodge complete valid criticisms Over the years while dealing with politics I've learned that people who are closer to the political fringes always use narrow/false framing when they consume any kind of media. What you're pointing out with the actual reasoning behind the UK protests is a common problem in politics nowadays, where people take things completely out of context and then act as if the issue is the exact opposite of reality. Some journalistic digging reveals that often the narrative has been flipped 180 by radical voices. It's so common now that I've come to expect it with everything, which is why I often don't comment on fresh news (such as the recent Amstercam hooligan violence) until I've done some rigorous digging myself. This is especially important since cameras are being used to lie to us. This was always a problem, but now everyone has cameras so everyone can spread a lie by using narrow/false framing. It’s fucking hard to counter as well. I genuinely don’t know how I did it back in the day, I recall being in some group that was sharing a video about Muslims hunting down other Brits over here and rioting Video was actually from disturbances in Israel/Palestine like 3 years prior I mean I knew it was bullshit immediately but I can’t remember how I actually tracked down the original source. I think the fact that you knew it's BS is because you're not ideologically compromised to begin with. But of course we all have biases that affect how readily we believe a narrative, so none of us are entirely immune. If I take myself as a counter-example to you, when I consume media I have to remind myself that I have some amount of left-wing bias, and that helps me to not automatically believe various claims from left-wingers, but I have to remind myself every time. It's easy for me to notice right-wing misinformation because I come in with the expectation that a significant portion of their information is based on false framing. So regarding left-wing information I have to - ironically - be more cautious because I'm more open to it. This is how people move further right/left and then to the fringes. People's bias eventually becomes a runaway train where they buy absolutely everything from their own side. I belive this is how Trump came to power. In the late 2010s there was a heavy right-wing disinformation campaign that went online and quickly infected normie online spaces. I'm talking about behavior of the exact same nature as Elon's on Twitter. It reached all of online media, not just social media. Every single online space, including video games, is filled with the propaganda and hateful rhetoric. I'm not just talking about Destiny and Hasan Piker, but even people like Asmongold, who was previously just a normie gamer. He went full right-wing over the years while consuming their propaganda, and recently it resulted in him openly supporting genocide. He was banned from Twitch for two weeks and now he still spreads right-wing propaganda and misinformation. And he's so rich that the split in his audience doesn't bother him. Some of them can't rationalize why they're still watching him while others are cheering for his continued derailment. His arc is one of the best examples of the right-wing shift during the Trump era. What happened to him is also what happened to millions of other people. Streamers are toxic as all hell these days tbh. When it comes to politics youtubers like Shaun are the way forward imho.
Shaun is legit, he’s got obvious political biases (incidentally, mine) but he absolutely does deep dive the issues, does it long-form and he’s not eternally battling straw men.
I’ve seen some channels approaching things from the right that also do this too, even if I sometimes disagree with their prescriptions to put it mildly
But the subsequent evolution of streamer politicking I mean just seems absolutely toxic on all sides
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On November 26 2024 01:40 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2024 01:30 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 26 2024 01:26 Magic Powers wrote:On November 26 2024 01:04 WombaT wrote:On November 26 2024 00:58 Magic Powers wrote:On November 26 2024 00:48 WombaT wrote:On November 26 2024 00:39 Magic Powers wrote:On November 26 2024 00:36 oBlade wrote:On November 26 2024 00:23 Magic Powers wrote:On November 26 2024 00:01 oBlade wrote:
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A supporter of fascism in English is called a "fascist" which you also directly called him, which is fine.
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Ah yes, the right-wing tactic of re-defining the words people use to make them mean something else. And no, I didn't call him a fascist. 1) That's how nouns have always worked. The fact that artists do art is not a "durr right-wing tactic talking point Fox News Alex Jones qanon ivermectin." Like you just called him a capitalist. That's not because he opposes capitalism. The people who support fascism are not generally liberal democratic progressive humans rights lawyers. 2) It is materially insignificant to the greater point that was being made by another poster - it is a distinction without a difference - whether you are othering everyone who differs from you as "fascists" or as merely "useful idiots" which is not, frankly, any better - the problem is most likely on your end. 3) It's in the quote. We have eyes. 1) Words have meanings and you clearly let your right-wing bias reshape the meaning of words. The words you're using don't mean what you think they do. I would suggest going back to school, but in your case education would change nothing because you're too ideologically compromised. 2) See 1 3) No, it's not in the quote. You lack eyes. I think it’s somewhat instructive that they continue to stick on this point rather than addressing the ‘this is stuff Elon Musk actually did and this is why people in the UK were pissed off’ point I made up the page, and have made multiple times with little actual response. I mean we’ve seen this 1-2 punch for years with Trump now so it’s not surprising 1. ‘People who don’t like Trump think he’s literally Hitler’ 2. I’ll argue (correctly) that Trump isn’t literally Hitler so I can just perpetually dodge complete valid criticisms Over the years while dealing with politics I've learned that people who are closer to the political fringes always use narrow/false framing when they consume any kind of media. What you're pointing out with the actual reasoning behind the UK protests is a common problem in politics nowadays, where people take things completely out of context and then act as if the issue is the exact opposite of reality. Some journalistic digging reveals that often the narrative has been flipped 180 by radical voices. It's so common now that I've come to expect it with everything, which is why I often don't comment on fresh news (such as the recent Amstercam hooligan violence) until I've done some rigorous digging myself. This is especially important since cameras are being used to lie to us. This was always a problem, but now everyone has cameras so everyone can spread a lie by using narrow/false framing. It’s fucking hard to counter as well. I genuinely don’t know how I did it back in the day, I recall being in some group that was sharing a video about Muslims hunting down other Brits over here and rioting Video was actually from disturbances in Israel/Palestine like 3 years prior I mean I knew it was bullshit immediately but I can’t remember how I actually tracked down the original source. I think the fact that you knew it's BS is because you're not ideologically compromised to begin with. But of course we all have biases that affect how readily we believe a narrative, so none of us are entirely immune. If I take myself as a counter-example to you, when I consume media I have to remind myself that I have some amount of left-wing bias, and that helps me to not automatically believe various claims from left-wingers, but I have to remind myself every time. It's easy for me to notice right-wing misinformation because I come in with the expectation that a significant portion of their information is based on false framing. So regarding left-wing information I have to - ironically - be more cautious because I'm more open to it. This is how people move further right/left and then to the fringes. People's bias eventually becomes a runaway train where they buy absolutely everything from their own side. I belive this is how Trump came to power. In the late 2010s there was a heavy right-wing disinformation campaign that went online and quickly infected normie online spaces. I'm talking about behavior of the exact same nature as Elon's on Twitter. It reached all of online media, not just social media. Every single online space, including video games, is filled with the propaganda and hateful rhetoric. I'm not just talking about Destiny and Hasan Piker, but even people like Asmongold, who was previously just a normie gamer. He went full right-wing over the years while consuming their propaganda, and recently it resulted in him openly supporting genocide. He was banned from Twitch for two weeks and now he still spreads right-wing propaganda and misinformation. And he's so rich that the split in his audience doesn't bother him. Some of them can't rationalize why they're still watching him while others are cheering for his continued derailment. His arc is one of the best examples of the right-wing shift during the Trump era. What happened to him is also what happened to millions of other people. Streamers are toxic as all hell these days tbh. When it comes to politics youtubers like Shaun are the way forward imho. Shaun is legit, he’s got obvious political biases (incidentally, mine) but he absolutely does deep dive the issues, does it long-form and he’s not eternally battling straw men. I’ve seen some channels approaching things from the right that also do this too, even if I sometimes disagree with their prescriptions to put it mildly
Yeah I love a good well written comprehensive youtube video. The problem with streaming is people are expected to come up with intelligent stuff off the cuff and that just doesn't work most of the time.
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On November 25 2024 23:28 WombaT wrote:
I have said multiple, multiple times between here and USPol that what pissed a lot of people off in Britain was anti-Muslim (not racial incidentally, although there’s obvious overlap) sentiment exploding from a spreading of a false story that the perpetrator of a high profile murder was a Muslim. Which spread like wildfire, including on Twitter
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I assume you are talking about the Southport attack, right? This is a tangent, but I find it interesting that speculations about it being an islamist terrorist attack was so quickly denounced as misinformation. Now they admit that he had an al qaida terror manual in his home. It's going to be interesting to see how the media handle the situation going forward if he is found to be an islamist terrorist in court. This is the kind of situation that could really hurt people's trust in the media and drive people to speculate more on line.
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I love how oBlade quoted MP saying clear as day that Elon Musk is a fascist yet he still denies saying it and Wombat still goes along with it.
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On November 26 2024 06:22 BlackJack wrote:
I love how oBlade quoted MP saying clear as day that Elon Musk is a fascist yet he still denies saying it and Wombat still goes along with it.
You are a racist, misogynist, fascist, sexist, transphobic, xenophobic, white supremacist nazi.
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On November 26 2024 06:25 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2024 06:22 BlackJack wrote:
I love how oBlade quoted MP saying clear as day that Elon Musk is a fascist yet he still denies saying it and Wombat still goes along with it. You are a racist, misogynist, fascist, sexist, transphobic, xenophobic, white supremacist nazi.
At least you didn't call me a racist, misogynist, fascist, sexist, transphobic, xenophobic, white supremacist nazi.
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On November 26 2024 06:06 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 23:28 WombaT wrote:
I have said multiple, multiple times between here and USPol that what pissed a lot of people off in Britain was anti-Muslim (not racial incidentally, although there’s obvious overlap) sentiment exploding from a spreading of a false story that the perpetrator of a high profile murder was a Muslim. Which spread like wildfire, including on Twitter
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I assume you are talking about the Southport attack, right? This is a tangent, but I find it interesting that speculations about it being an islamist terrorist attack was so quickly denounced as misinformation. Now they admit that he had an al qaida terror manual in his home. It's going to be interesting to see how the media handle the situation going forward if he is found to be an islamist terrorist in court. This is the kind of situation that could really hurt people's trust in the media and drive people to speculate more on line.
That's one way to misrepresent the story. The truth is that there was an information blackout on the attack that was commited because of the attacker's minor status. That blackout is legally required.
During that blackout authorities were in fact debating the terrorist motive behind the attack, but that could also not be revealed. The attacker is now facing terrorist charges, and the Al-Qaeda manual is being talked about openly.
The name of the attacker was reported by right-wingers to be Ali Al-Shakati, which was false. This alone reveals sufficiently why right-wing media can never be trusted on anything and it also explains why the blackout requirement is so important to protect minors while the investigation is still ongoing.
Additionally, Axel Rudakubana - his real name - is neither an immigrant nor a Muslim. This was also a rumor spread by right-wingers during the blackout. His family attended a Christian church, so the assumption that he's Muslim is entirely unsubstantiated, and probably outright contradictory. Right-wingers should've stormed Christian churches if they were acting on righteous anger, but instead they falsely directed their hatred and violence at Mosques.
Nice attempt at rewriting history though. Good one.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/southport-stabbing-latest-far-right-riots-b2590454.html
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On November 26 2024 06:22 BlackJack wrote:
I love how oBlade quoted MP saying clear as day that Elon Musk is a fascist yet he still denies saying it and Wombat still goes along with it.
Incorrect, I didn't call Elon Musk a fascist in that comment.
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On November 26 2024 06:46 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2024 06:22 BlackJack wrote:
I love how oBlade quoted MP saying clear as day that Elon Musk is a fascist yet he still denies saying it and Wombat still goes along with it. Incorrect, I didn't call Elon Musk a fascist in that comment.
I already noted your denial in my comment
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On November 26 2024 07:00 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2024 06:46 Magic Powers wrote:On November 26 2024 06:22 BlackJack wrote:
I love how oBlade quoted MP saying clear as day that Elon Musk is a fascist yet he still denies saying it and Wombat still goes along with it. Incorrect, I didn't call Elon Musk a fascist in that comment. I already noted your denial in my comment
And I already noted that you always believe you're right because you lack imagination. Such as the idea that you could be wrong about something. I did not call Elon Musk a fascist. Use your imagination to figure out how that could be possible.
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Northern Ireland23780 Posts
On November 26 2024 06:22 BlackJack wrote:
I love how oBlade quoted MP saying clear as day that Elon Musk is a fascist yet he still denies saying it and Wombat still goes along with it.
I legitimately don’t care, far as I’m concerned it’s a Motte and Bailey discussion to avoid addressing actually criticism of some of Musk’s behaviour
I gave MP an out of sorts, as well as an invitation to correct me if he wanted to double down and reiterate that he thinks Musk is a fascist
No skin off my dick like. We can just keep doing the is Musk a facist or not dance despite the majority of the thread not making the claim. Productive
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What part of history did I rewrite? As far as I can see the jury is still out on whether he is a muslim terrorist or not.
Also, why don't you just explain what you said in that comment if it wasn't that you think Musk is a fascist (I find it hard to read it in any other way)? I agree with Wombat that it's a silly discussion, but since you're doubling down it might just be easier to explain the comment.
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On November 26 2024 06:06 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 23:28 WombaT wrote:
I have said multiple, multiple times between here and USPol that what pissed a lot of people off in Britain was anti-Muslim (not racial incidentally, although there’s obvious overlap) sentiment exploding from a spreading of a false story that the perpetrator of a high profile murder was a Muslim. Which spread like wildfire, including on Twitter
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I assume you are talking about the Southport attack, right? This is a tangent, but I find it interesting that speculations about it being an islamist terrorist attack was so quickly denounced as misinformation. Now they admit that he had an al qaida terror manual in his home. It's going to be interesting to see how the media handle the situation going forward if he is found to be an islamist terrorist in court. This is the kind of situation that could really hurt people's trust in the media and drive people to speculate more on line.
The media can’t report on what isn’t there, at the time these rumours circulated it was that he was a Muslim migrant, when he came from a Christian background. And these stories circulated immediately.
Now, subsequently, if it turns out via actual police investigation that he was a jihadist convert, or jihadist-adjacent fine, report it. The truth be the truth even if it leads up inconvenient paths
This aside, that’s just the nature of the social media rumour train. Something I resent across the board, the left frequently indulge in headcanon backstories for spree shooters before any concrete information is out there too.
My chief bone of contention here within the confines of this thread Musk’s personal conduct in and around this time which, to quote myself was frankly piss-poor.
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On November 26 2024 06:25 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2024 06:22 BlackJack wrote:
I love how oBlade quoted MP saying clear as day that Elon Musk is a fascist yet he still denies saying it and Wombat still goes along with it. You are a racist, misogynist, fascist, sexist, transphobic, xenophobic, white supremacist nazi.
I‘m trying to mentally create the opposite of each word and estimate how well that would go linguistically and moderation-wise if anyone posted that equivalent.
While I don‘t necessarily endorse the views I understand that the political right wing needs a platform too where they can not be banned just for being right-wing. As long as it doesn‘t promote discrimination and violence and all that.
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On November 26 2024 07:28 Elroi wrote:
What part of history did I rewrite? As far as I can see the jury is still out on whether he is a muslim terrorist or not.
Also, why don't you just explain what you said in that comment if it wasn't that you think Musk is a fascist (I find it hard to read it in any other way)? I agree with Wombat that it's a silly discussion, but since you're doubling down it might just be easier to explain the comment.
The terrorist is strictly not Muslim, that's not debatable. Owning an Al-Qaeda terrorist manual doesn't make someone a Muslim.
Regarding oBlade, I will not explain anything to him because he's an overt right-wing troll. From me he won't get the nice treatment until he treats other people here with honesty and sincerity.
BJ has also not shown genuine interest, instead he just assumes that I'm lying, which is something he shouldn't be doing with me if he respects me. Disrespect like that doesn't deserve nice treatment.
I will explain things to people who are genuinely interested in argumentation. Since you're showing actual curiosity, I will DM an explanation to you.
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On November 26 2024 07:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2024 06:25 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 26 2024 06:22 BlackJack wrote:
I love how oBlade quoted MP saying clear as day that Elon Musk is a fascist yet he still denies saying it and Wombat still goes along with it. You are a racist, misogynist, fascist, sexist, transphobic, xenophobic, white supremacist nazi. I‘m trying to mentally create the opposite of each word and estimate how well that would go linguistically and moderation-wise if anyone posted that equivalent. While I don‘t necessarily endorse the views I understand that the political right wing needs a platform too where they can not be banned just for being right-wing. As long as it doesn‘t promote discrimination and violence and all that.
Hi Vivax 
That comment was very tongue-in-cheek and referred to a previous made by blackjack.
He's very welcome to express his views here, and has been doing for a long time.
I wouldn't want him, or anyone else who isn't doing something terrible, banned. Frankly one of the least understandable things to me on forums is people trying to get people who disagree with them banned. Its insanely childish, but it doesn't happen too often here as far as i know.
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On November 26 2024 07:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2024 06:25 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 26 2024 06:22 BlackJack wrote:
I love how oBlade quoted MP saying clear as day that Elon Musk is a fascist yet he still denies saying it and Wombat still goes along with it. You are a racist, misogynist, fascist, sexist, transphobic, xenophobic, white supremacist nazi. I‘m trying to mentally create the opposite of each word and estimate how well that would go linguistically and moderation-wise if anyone posted that equivalent. While I don‘t necessarily endorse the views I understand that the political right wing needs a platform too where they can not be banned just for being right-wing. As long as it doesn‘t promote discrimination and violence and all that.
Man casual browsing of basically any mainstream social media platform and I find it hard to square with the perception that folks are getting banned left right and centre merely for being right-wing
This isn’t to say there aren’t individual moderation decisions that don’t swing that way, which I will continually reiterate shouldn’t be left to individual platform’s whims and should come from some sort of multifaceted, consistent framework
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On November 26 2024 07:46 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2024 07:28 Elroi wrote:
What part of history did I rewrite? As far as I can see the jury is still out on whether he is a muslim terrorist or not.
Also, why don't you just explain what you said in that comment if it wasn't that you think Musk is a fascist (I find it hard to read it in any other way)? I agree with Wombat that it's a silly discussion, but since you're doubling down it might just be easier to explain the comment. The terrorist is strictly not Muslim, that's not debatable. Owning an Al-Qaeda terrorist manual doesn't make someone a Muslim. Regarding oBlade, I will not explain anything to him because he's an overt right-wing troll. From me he won't get the nice treatment until he treats other people here with honesty and sincerity. BJ has also not shown genuine interest, instead he just assumes that I'm lying, which is something he shouldn't be doing with me if he respects me. Disrespect like that doesn't deserve nice treatment. I will explain things to people who are genuinely interested in argumentation. Since you're showing actual curiosity, I will DM an explanation to you.
I mean I own a few avowedly Fascist tomes out of intellectual curiosity, I don’t think any here would consider me a Fascist if I was raided by the police and the media reported some of the more controversial reading material.
That said, I think it’s perfectly plausible that this individual was drawn into that kind of orbit, my objection in this particular example is that these rumours preceded such things and were clearly based on stereotypes and jumping on predjudice.
It, I dunno I spread some rumour about someone of a particular background in my orbit being a rapist, because ‘you know what that type is like’, with zero evidence, that shiftiness wouldn’t be erased if it just so happened they actually were.
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