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On November 26 2024 23:17 Timebon3s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2024 22:21 Magic Powers wrote:On November 26 2024 22:18 Timebon3s wrote:
If I’m reading this right, you’re punishing successful companies and rewarding unsuccessful companies with tax money.
Shouldn’t it be a fair competition?
We have the same problem, only worse, in Norway btw.
As long as you’re doing something “green/esg”, you get public money shoved down your throats regardless of what results you’re producing.
Our result of that is a bunch of shut down battery factories where the “investors” filled their pockets before going bankrupt. What "punishment"? By having them sell their cars at a higher price than their competitors?
Does Tesla have to be worried about that?
Lifting up smaller business is a good idea especially when it benefits the climate to have more healthy competition. It's not about breaking up a monopoly, that's only a bandaid when things already went wrong to begin with. Funding towards smaller business is about creating a net benefit to society by incentivizing things such as innovation. If we only break up monopolies but don't also help small business ahead of time, we'll only be chasing after a problem without ever solving the root cause.
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https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/book-review-elon-musk
Earlier in the thread, there was suggestion to read a Musk biography to get a better picture of him. I read this, which is just a review of an older biography about him, but is quite in-depth and also more recent than the biography (review is from 2023).
This one provides direct anecdotes of Musk's apparent brilliance, but also provides plenty of the negatives that his personality brings along with it too. By which I mean, the review feels balanced and I don't see any reason to immediately distrust it.
I found it somewhat eye-opening. If you believe these anecdotes (and I see little reason not to), there is indeed some evidence that Musk is a smart guy, not just a business guy. This tracks to me:
A 4D chessmaster is someone who wins by being smarter than everyone else. I think Elon Musk is 1-in-1,000 level intelligent - which is great, but means there are still 300,000 people in America smarter than he is.
I think he wins by being 1-in-10,000,000 intense. This comes out in every anecdote about him.
So, is he a fraud? He sure makes a lot of fradulent claims and is lionised way more than he should be. Is he also smarter than I originally pegged him for? Yeah probably.
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I was pushing for people to read the Walter Isaacson's biography for people to get a better picture of Elon than whatever "Elon Musk Exposed" youtube videos and blog sites are offering. Props to you for actually putting in some effort. I used to have a similar opinion of Elon as many in this thread before I read his biography. It was similar to my opinion of Steve Jobs. I once heard Bill Burr say what I believed in a more comedic way than I could:
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I now have a higher opinion of Elon Musk than just a guy taking credit for inventions he ordered people to make. I also have a higher opinion of Steve Jobs even though I haven't yet read the Steve Jobs biography.
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I know Elon Musk is smart. That's not a quality in his case, it's only more evidence that he's an asshole (supporting Trump), extremely lazy (playing video games all day) and constantly shitposting on Twitter (extremely high post rate).
A smart person who cares about others would channel their intelligence towards good causes. Elon on the other hand is patently harmful to the US and the world at large. You can't be in favor of stopping climate change while supporting Trump.
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If climate change were solved, you wouldn't need to sell electric cars.
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On December 02 2024 21:06 oBlade wrote:
If climate change were solved, you wouldn't need to sell electric cars.
Tesla is Elon's black friend of climate change. "I invest in EVs, so I can't be an absolutely idiotic mega buffoon on global warming".
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On December 02 2024 21:06 oBlade wrote:
If climate change were solved, you wouldn't need to sell electric cars.
Meh, electric cars are so much nicer than ICE to drive, at this point I'd be driving an electric even without climate considerations, anyway.
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Not to mention air pollution, smog, fumes. If I’m on a bicycle I’d rather be behind a Tesla than a f150
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And with their 95% efficiency rate, they’re much cheaper to drive.
Maybe not in America, but in Europe, where 1 litre of gasoline cost 2 Euros, it really adds up.
I like ICE cars better personally, and the new diesel engines particle filters are actually rinsing the air, so it’s not as bad as it used to be.
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Russian Federation193 Posts
Elon Musk is a promoter of the 1st amendment of the constitution, which seemed to be dead; what's the idea of this thread?
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United States44402 Posts
On December 03 2024 16:56 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
Elon Musk is a promoter of the 1st amendment of the constitution, which seemed to be dead; what's the idea of this thread?
Elon Musk has banned the use of words beginning with cis on X such as cistern because he believes they are offensive. Under his stewardship X has been complying far more with requests by dictators for censorship of dissenters. The idea that he promotes free speech is absurd.
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On December 04 2024 00:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 16:56 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
Elon Musk is a promoter of the 1st amendment of the constitution, which seemed to be dead; what's the idea of this thread? Elon Musk has banned the use of words beginning with cis on X such as cistern because he believes they are offensive. Under his stewardship X has been complying far more with requests by dictators for censorship of dissenters. The idea that he promotes free speech is absurd.
And even if he did promote free speech, the idea that a thread criticising somebody who supports free speech shouldn't exist is a bizarre point to make and just about the opposite of 'supporting free speech'.
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On December 04 2024 00:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 16:56 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
Elon Musk is a promoter of the 1st amendment of the constitution, which seemed to be dead; what's the idea of this thread? Elon Musk has banned the use of words beginning with cis on X such as cistern because he believes they are offensive. Under his stewardship X has been complying far more with requests by dictators for censorship of dissenters. The idea that he promotes free speech is absurd.
Just tested this... you can post any word including cisgender, cistern, and made up words that start with "cis" and yeah it posts it
I agree, complying with requests from dictatorships like Brazil and EU dictatorships like Germany, and other dictatorships like Japan, at a much higher rate than previously is undoubtedly wrong. Although it approves requests from the dictatorship of Turkey at a ~10% lower rate than the previous dictatorship of South Korea (new one tbd) and the dictatorships of Japan and the EU
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You just need to apply the rightwing prism. Free speech is when I get to say what I want, before I couldn't say the N-word and now I can so there's more free speech. Other people can't say "cis"? Sucks to be them.
Same thing applies to "the law", conservatives who talk about the law don't want people to check into their tax evasion schemes harder, they want the enemies™ to be mistreated more.
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On December 02 2024 21:14 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2024 21:06 oBlade wrote:
If climate change were solved, you wouldn't need to sell electric cars. Tesla is Elon's black friend of climate change. "I invest in EVs, so I can't be an absolutely idiotic mega buffoon on global warming".
It is definitely looking more and more like he built one of the top 10 companies in the world over 20 years in order to use it as a conversation out when challenged for being too right wing and fascist in his 50s.
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Northern Ireland27473 Posts
On December 04 2024 01:08 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2024 00:45 KwarK wrote:On December 03 2024 16:56 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
Elon Musk is a promoter of the 1st amendment of the constitution, which seemed to be dead; what's the idea of this thread? Elon Musk has banned the use of words beginning with cis on X such as cistern because he believes they are offensive. Under his stewardship X has been complying far more with requests by dictators for censorship of dissenters. The idea that he promotes free speech is absurd. Just tested this... you can post any word including cisgender, cistern, and made up words that start with "cis" and yeah it posts it I agree, complying with requests from dictatorships like Brazil and EU dictatorships like Germany, and other dictatorships like Japan, at a much higher rate than previously is undoubtedly wrong. Although it approves requests from the dictatorship of Turkey at a ~10% lower rate than the previous dictatorship of South Korea (new one tbd) and the dictatorships of Japan and the EU
I mean it was a thing at one stage, but that was ages ago I’d just assumed they’d reverted that ridiculous cis policy a fair while ago.
I don’t think there’s anything innately wrong with responding to such requests, it’s a case-by-case judgement. But equally I don’t make a song and dance about being a ‘free speech absolutist’
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On December 04 2024 00:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2024 16:56 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
Elon Musk is a promoter of the 1st amendment of the constitution, which seemed to be dead; what's the idea of this thread? Elon Musk has banned the use of words beginning with cis on X such as cistern because he believes they are offensive.
Can you source that?
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United States44402 Posts
On December 04 2024 06:20 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2024 00:45 KwarK wrote:On December 03 2024 16:56 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
Elon Musk is a promoter of the 1st amendment of the constitution, which seemed to be dead; what's the idea of this thread? Elon Musk has banned the use of words beginning with cis on X such as cistern because he believes they are offensive. Can you source that?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2023/06/30/cisgender-twitter-musk-suspension/
His inability to enforce his absurd new rules is evidence of the lack of moderation in X after he fired most of the team. But he did declare the cis prefix a disallowed slur.
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Northern Ireland27473 Posts
On December 04 2024 06:20 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2024 00:45 KwarK wrote:On December 03 2024 16:56 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
Elon Musk is a promoter of the 1st amendment of the constitution, which seemed to be dead; what's the idea of this thread? Elon Musk has banned the use of words beginning with cis on X such as cistern because he believes they are offensive. Can you source that?
Google, or the search engine of your preference and ‘Elon Musk cis’ gives plenty of hits. Browse at your leisure.
Granted I haven’t seen corroboration that the platform went as far as auto-filtering the word, leading to daft results. Although can’t say I’ve dug too hard
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I wasn't able to find anything to back up Kwark's claim with google which is why I asked him. After skimming his own source, I didn't find anything about "words beginning with cis being banned." I found a tweet of him declaring cis and cisgendered slurs in response to a user complaining that activists were calling him "cissy" against his wishes.
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