EPTElon Musk's lies, propaganda, etc. - Page 31
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25977 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45002 Posts
On December 04 2024 08:40 WombaT wrote: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1671370284102819841?s=20 "The words “cis” or “cisgender” are considered slurs on this platform." lol what? What's next, not being allowed to call someone straight? Male? White? He's such a cisgendered snowflake. | ||
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oBlade
United States5760 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On December 04 2024 08:40 WombaT wrote: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1671370284102819841?s=20 I included mention of that tweet in my post. Kwark made a similar but different claim that all words beginning with cis were banned from Twitter. I even agree with the idea that Elon is not the fall-on-my-sword free speech absolutist that he pretends to be. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On December 04 2024 12:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: "The words “cis” or “cisgender” are considered slurs on this platform." lol what? What's next, not being allowed to call someone straight? Male? White? He's such a cisgendered snowflake. Well, you just used the word as a slur yourself, didn't you? I bet it's most often used as a slur, in fact. It's like the n-word. Most of the time it's probably a slur, but every once in a while it's in a rap song or whatever and it's used in a positive way. How did X moderate the use of slurs on the platform? I guess that would be the follow up question. I have never used the platform myself so I have no idea. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45002 Posts
On December 04 2024 13:50 oBlade wrote: There is no reason to "call" someone "cis" any more than to "call" someone a Jew What do you mean by "no reason"? Of course there could be a reason; both terms can be used when describing one's identity, if applicable. Being a Jew isn't a slur. Being cis-gendereded isn't a slur either. I'm cis, but I'm not Jewish, and I'm not using slurs when I say "I'm cis, but I'm not Jewish". | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45002 Posts
On December 04 2024 18:39 Elroi wrote: Well, you just used the word as a slur yourself, didn't you? I bet it's most often used as a slur, in fact. It's like the n-word. Holy shit. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On December 04 2024 18:39 Elroi wrote: Well, you just used the word as a slur yourself, didn't you? Yes but you have to apply left wing logic. Calling someone a transgendered snowflake would be wrong but calling someone a cisgendered snowflake is perfectly acceptable. Because reasons. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9713 Posts
On December 04 2024 19:35 BlackJack wrote: Yes but you have to apply left wing logic. Calling someone a transgendered snowflake would be wrong but calling someone a cisgendered snowflake is perfectly acceptable. Because reasons. I don't know anyone that thinks this. Calling a transgender person transgendered is acceptable, don't worry  Calling someone a snowflake is a bit 2014, but still we don't have cancel anyone for it. In either case, is the word 'transgender' or 'cisgender' really a slur? Seems like more of an accepted description. Still I guess the right wing will invent a strawman and then rage against it, because reasons. edit: And before any right wingers decide to do their normal thing and turn this in to a semantic debate, no, the word cis or trans here are not being used as a slur, even in this context. 'Snowflake' would be the slur, the gender description is merely a description that adds context to the slur. For example, if I were to call someone a massive pile of human shit, the word 'human' there is not a slur. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45002 Posts
On December 04 2024 19:35 BlackJack wrote: Yes but you have to apply left wing logic. Calling someone a transgendered snowflake would be wrong but calling someone a cisgendered snowflake is perfectly acceptable. Because reasons. Citation needed. Also, I can't believe your priority was to strawman the left instead of calling out the insane assertion that saying "cis-gendered" is "like the n-word". On December 04 2024 19:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't know anyone that thinks this. Calling a transgender person transgendered is acceptable, don't worry Calling someone a snowflake is a bit 2014, but still we don't have cancel anyone for it. In either case, is the word 'transgender' or 'cisgender' really a slur? Seems like more of an accepted description. Still I guess the right wing will invent a strawman and then rage against it, because reasons. edit: And before any right wingers decide to do their normal thing and turn this in to a semantic debate, no, the word cis or trans here are not being used as a slur, even in this context. 'Snowflake' would be the slur, the gender description is merely a description that adds context to the slur. For example, if I were to call someone a massive pile of human shit, the word 'human' there is not a slur. Agreed. If someone remarked that another person was a "tall *n-word*", the issue isn't with the height descriptor. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On December 04 2024 19:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't know anyone that thinks this. Calling a transgender person transgendered is acceptable, don't worry Calling someone a snowflake is a bit 2014, but still we don't have cancel anyone for it. In either case, is the word 'transgender' or 'cisgender' really a slur? Seems like more of an accepted description. Still I guess the right wing will invent a strawman and then rage against it, because reasons. edit: And before any right wingers decide to do their normal thing and turn this in to a semantic debate, no, the word cis or trans here are not being used as a slur, even in this context. 'Snowflake' would be the slur, the gender description is merely a description that adds context to the slur. For example, if I were to call someone a massive pile of human shit, the word 'human' there is not a slur. Ok maybe I'm wrong about that. Sorry, I'm not thinking clearly because I just got swindled out of some money by a Jew banker. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4949 Posts
Language has intent embedded into it. It's not just the words themselves, but how you use those words in that context. Banning any word just because it's a word and not looking at its context is silly imo. But it's a very fuzzy and difficult thing to get exactly right. I could call someone the worst thing possible with the nicest words and half of the people interpreting it might get it, while the other half will probably think it was perfectly reasonable use of language. Weird how it works like that. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45002 Posts
On December 04 2024 20:09 BlackJack wrote: Ok maybe I'm wrong about that. Sorry, I'm not thinking clearly because I just got swindled out of some money by a Jew banker. Take, like, five minutes to reflect on why that example is also precisely that - an example - and not a counterexample. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9713 Posts
On December 04 2024 20:09 BlackJack wrote: Ok maybe I'm wrong about that. Sorry, I'm not thinking clearly because I just got swindled out of some money by a Jew banker. How dare you use the word 'banker'! REPORTED | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45002 Posts
On December 04 2024 20:17 Jockmcplop wrote: How dare you use the word 'banker'! REPORTED Elon Musk should ban "banker" from Twitter. It's like using the n-word. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9713 Posts
On December 04 2024 20:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Elon Musk should ban "banker" from Twitter. It's like using the n-word. If letfties want to talk about bankers, he might end up doing that. | ||
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oBlade
United States5760 Posts
On December 04 2024 19:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What do you mean by "no reason"? Of course there could be a reason; both terms can be used when describing one's identity, if applicable. Being a Jew isn't a slur. Being cis-gendereded isn't a slur either. I'm cis, but I'm not Jewish, and I'm not using slurs when I say "I'm cis, but I'm not Jewish". That's why I said "call" and not "refer to." | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12318 Posts
On December 04 2024 19:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Citation needed. Also, I can't believe your priority was to strawman the left instead of calling out the insane assertion that saying "cis-gendered" is "like the n-word". BJ just got mad that I said something true about rightwing logic so he tried to write something about leftwing logic in the same format, but it doesn't work | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45002 Posts
On December 04 2024 21:08 oBlade wrote: That's why I said "call" and not "refer to." That's why Jock wrote "before any right wingers decide to do their normal thing and turn this in to a semantic debate". Absolutely prescient. lol. If I say that Elon Musk is cis-gendered, I am calling him cis-gendered. He is cis-gendered. So am I. So are Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, and JD Vance. These are not slurs or inappropriate descriptors, and they are factually accurate. I'm sorry if it triggers you or Elon Musk that cis people are called cis, but wanting to ban "cis" and "cis-gendered" while also pretending to advocate for free speech is a hypocritical move by Elon Musk. | ||
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