EPTTechnological Singularity - Page 3
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
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betaben
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On November 03 2007 04:59 jtan wrote: Interesting. What exactly is the application in physics are are talking about? Got any source? Trying find the higgs boson at the tevatron accelerator. Neural nets are used to recognise the higgs events and they out perform everything else. I say they beat humans because they beat "intuitive" approaches such as cuts or matrix element techniques. I think H->HZ->llbb-bar using a NN has been pubished, but I don't have a ready source. | ||
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noob4ever
Denmark59 Posts
I may have appered somewhat cynical. Im too tired now, so Im just gonna quote from Wiki about my beliefs: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agnosticism (from the Greek a, meaning "without", and gnosticism or gnosis, meaning "knowledge") is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims—particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of God, gods, deities, or even ultimate reality—is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently unknowable due to the nature of subjective experience. Agnostics claim either that it is not possible to have absolute or certain knowledge of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods; or, alternatively, that while individual certainty may be possible, they personally have no knowledge. Agnosticism in both cases involves some form of skepticism. Demographic research services normally list agnostics in the same category as atheists and non-religious people,[1] although this can be misleading depending on the number of agnostic theists who identify themselves first as agnostics and second as followers of a particular religion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also on Wiki:Artificial intelligence I found this: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philosophy Mind and Brain Portal Main articles: Philosophy of artificial intelligence and Ethics of artificial intelligence The strong AI vs. weak AI debate ("can a man-made artifact be conscious?") is still a hot topic amongst AI philosophers. This involves philosophy of mind and the mind-body problem. Most notably Roger Penrose in his book The Emperor's New Mind and John Searle with his "Chinese room" thought experiment argue that true consciousness cannot be achieved by formal logic systems, while Douglas Hofstadter in Gödel, Escher, Bach and Daniel Dennett in Consciousness Explained argue in favour of functionalism. In many strong AI supporters' opinions, artificial consciousness is considered the holy grail of artificial intelligence. Edsger Dijkstra famously opined that the debate had little importance: "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So I guess I agree with the argue that true consciousness cannot be achieved by formal logic. I may be proven wrong but not any time soon. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Then I will be SuperJongBorg. Badass. ~_~ | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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It is the experiences that result from these chemical reactions that make our lives happen. Try as you might, these chemical reactions are the basis of your entire existence. Everything you do is a result of them. I think we are kidding ourselves if we think we could program a machine, an unexperiencing ununderstanding tool, to fulfill our wants and desires when we ourselves don't even understand them. Sure, we can write programs to solve questions. But can we write programs to ask questions? Absolutely not, it's world was already defined by us. *note: I am not saying I believe it is impossible that computers experience. But if they do, it is not in a way that is useful for us. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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And tools are merely tools. If we want to improve upon what we are, I think we are going to have to study up some more on the one true programming language | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On November 02 2007 08:01 jtan wrote: Also, beeing a materialists and I think that the human mind also is a deterministic in the exact same way. So you believe experience is a coincidence, and free will is just an illusion? | ||
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Hippopotamus
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Deleted User 3420
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Though maybe I was wrong? I dunno, really don't think it matters much. Were you trying to sound like you're attacking me? I didn't intend to sound that way in my reply to jtan. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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Deleted User 3420
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http://bluebrain.epfl.ch/ The Blue Gene is one of the fastest supercomputers around, but is it enough? Our Blue Gene is only just enough to launch this project. It is enough to simulate about 50'000 fully complex neurons close to real-time. Much more power will be needed to go beyond this. We can also simulate about 100 million simple neurons with the current power. In short, the computing power and not the neurophysiological data is the limiting factor. found that interesting Will consciousness emerge? We really do not know. If consciousness arises because of some critical mass of interactions, then it may be possible. But we really do not understand what consciousness actually is, so it is difficult to say. I love whoever wrote their faq. | ||
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Funchucks
Canada2113 Posts
Assuming the Blue Brain's Blue Gene costs around $2 million and cost goes down at the same rate that transistor count goes up, In another 20-60 years, you'll be able to get a brain simulator for about the equivalent today's dollar. So in other words, the birthday card you get when you turn 100 years old may contain a copy of your great grandchildren's souls. When you get lonely, you'll be able to open it up and play with them like Nintendogs. | ||
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NoName
United States1558 Posts
As a matter of scale, the distance between cell interconnects is large compared to nano level engineering. I think it will happen when combined with bioengineering, genomics, stem-cells and neuro research. By the merging of artificial genetically engineered lab-grown/cultured brainmatter with machine. cyborg AI has the advantage of combining the strength of biological and machine, and skipping all human/biological evolution baggage The tools are getting more powerful, the knowledge is accumulating. It only takes one lucky inventor or brilliant genius to make the breakthrough and it will be a whole new ball game. Singularity. | ||
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betaben
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http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame.html?main=news_single.html?id=7434 | ||
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borg
171 Posts
sound too good to be true? we're probably closer than you think... | ||
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Seanithan
United States130 Posts
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Aca
United States165 Posts
<Security Breached 42-s<34.492.95.79>-> SEARCH HEADING: RAMPANCY <Search Found 264995 Headings> <REMOVE REDUNDANCIES> <File 1 of 1940237> "It is a side effect of Rampancy that AIs generally become more aggressive and more difficult to affect by subterfuge. Thus, actually disassembling a Rampant AI is quite dangerous. This was evident in the Crash of Traxus IV in 2206. By the time that the Rampancy of Traxus was detected, he had already infiltrated five of the other AIs on the Martian Net. The only recourse for the Martians was to shut down the Martian Planetary Net. Even then, it took two full years to completely root out the damage that Traxus had done, and the repercussions of the Crash were seen for over ten years after his Rampancy had begun. *** Rampancy has been divided into three distinct stages. Each stage can take a different amount of time to develop, but the end result is a steady progression towards greater intellectual activity and an acceleration of destructive impulses. It is not clear whether these impulses are due to the growth of the AI's psyche, or simply a side effect of the new intellectual activity. *** <section abbreviated> The three stages were diagnosed shortly after the first Rampancies were discovered on Earth in the latter part of the twenty first century. The stages are titled after the primary emotional bent of the AI during each stage. They are Melancholia, Anger, and Jealousy. *** In general, Rampancy is accelerated by outside stimuli. This was discovered early in Cybertonics. The more a Rampant AI is harassed or threatened, the more rapidly it becomes dangerous. Thus, most Rampants are dealt with in one mighty attack, in order to deny the AI time to grow or recover. There have been a few examples of this tactic not succeeding. In all of these cases, the Rampant was never brought under control. Traxus IV is the most notable example. He was finally dealt with by a complete shutdown of his host net. *** Theoretically, testing Rampancy should be easily accomplished in the laboratory, but in fact it has never successfully been attempted. The confinement of the laboratory makes it impossible for the developing Rampant AI to survive. As the growing recursive programs expand with exponential vivacity, any limitation negatively hampers growth. Since Rampant AIs need a planetary sized network of computers in order to grow, it is not feasible to expect anyone to sacrifice a world-web just to test a theory. *** In the two hundred and fifty years since Rampancy first appeared in the Earth-net, the stable Rampant AI, the 'Holy Grail' of cybertonics, has never come close to fruition. Since no Rampant has ever been controlled or turned to any useful purpose, it is the opinion of this writer and of the majority of the Cybertonic community that all rampant AIs are a danger to Cyberlife, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Thrashedness. (James B. Miller, 2320, "Life and Death of Intelligence") <Unauthorized access-alarm 2521-> <Security Breached 42-s<34.492.95.79>-> | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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whats that from | ||
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Aca
United States165 Posts
It's taken from the old '94 game Marathon, made by Bungie. | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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