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On May 23 2026 08:51 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2026 05:16 Yurie wrote:On May 22 2026 16:03 ETisME wrote:
Ukraine has found themselves a new gold mine with their drone tech.
But a lot would depend on how much Russia wants to open up to China's support, and how much more China wants to help.
The US visit didn't yield much, and the timing with Putin coming right after is very ambiguous.
Nor there were many big trade deals happened.
China is currently doing the usual "neutral" stance, but it's definitely being tempted to lean in one way over the other right now.
The few big roadblocks would be just how strong US sanctions could become. You forget to put agency into the European nations there. If China takes a strong pro Russian stance and the US ignores it, well the EU won't. So even if Trump doesn't care it would be costly for China. European nations can't do too much I am afraid. They haven't decouple with China like the US has been, trade deficit is at 350billion euro. The US took 8 years to reduce the deficit by 45%, and china isn't even on top 2 trade partners anymore. Wasn't a great idea to move manufacturing to a country with opposing ideology and especially one that blocks western firms entry without some special arrangement. Literally funding the enemy while celebrating US tech firms lawsuits wins.
China is a more rational actor than Trump US. It is a preferable partner at this time. It doesn't mean we aren't looking for options, closing ties with South America, India etc etc to try to break both dependencies. I don't like either country but at least you know what you get with China.
US would need 2+ solid presidential periods to lose pariah status. Or China would need to hit even lower points than now (invade Taiwan as an example). The current constant expansion of soft, economical and territorial power isn't enough when China is on the other side of the continent. Israel is a very similar nation in how it acts, except for being much less powerful.
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Hey hey slow down. An irrational democracy with strong checks and balances is a way more preferable partner than a one-party dictatorship with a long history of IP theft, espionage, and other breaches of trust. Europe still has far more common interests with a Trumpist US than with China. America destroyed most of the trust it could count on before Trump but it's still way safer to rely on American companies in areas where Europe lacks viable local alternatives.
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On May 23 2026 23:26 Sent. wrote:
Hey hey slow down. An irrational democracy with strong checks and balances is a way more preferable partner than a one-party dictatorship with a long history of IP theft, espionage, and other breaches of trust. Europe still has far more common interests with a Trumpist US than with China. America destroyed most of the trust it could count on before Trump but it's still way safer to rely on American companies in areas where Europe lacks viable local alternatives.
My man. If Trump has proven anything over the last 2 years, it's that the checks and balances in the US have completely broken down. Right now, US is a country invading other countries on a whim, threatening their own allies, and creating economic instability in the world. They have a felon and a pedo at the helm, and absolutely no one is stopping him. China is doing none of that. That's not to say China is a good country, but right now, at this very moment, I would rate them more trustworthy than the US.
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Xi is a dictator by any measure, but he hasn't ripped up a trade deal just so he could make a billion dollars from inside trading during the negotiation of the new deal.
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On May 23 2026 23:26 Sent. wrote:
Hey hey slow down. An irrational democracy with strong checks and balances is a way more preferable partner than a one-party dictatorship with a long history of IP theft, espionage, and other breaches of trust. Europe still has far more common interests with a Trumpist US than with China. America destroyed most of the trust it could count on before Trump but it's still way safer to rely on American companies in areas where Europe lacks viable local alternatives.
The same Trumpist US whose national strategy is the destruction of the EU and putting fascists in power in Europe?
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This isn't going to be a decision that we make anyway, if we transition to be closer to China it'll be because circumstances force it. We're not going to, like, elect a pro-China candidate or something
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Doesn't take long to prove my point.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-05-21/eu-to-seek-carve-out-for-banned-china-chips-to-shield-auto-firms
Pivot to china is not because of trump, it's decades long policy to both green washing and ignorance of what it is funneling money to.
Chinese news prrtty much been calling Europe insignificant and literally have no respect for Europe. They do have more respect to the US not because of their strength but work culture.
If you were exposed to Chinese netizens and news, you'd be hating on them too, but you don't. And that's how we ended up with europe today.
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On May 24 2026 05:40 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2026 23:26 Sent. wrote:
Hey hey slow down. An irrational democracy with strong checks and balances is a way more preferable partner than a one-party dictatorship with a long history of IP theft, espionage, and other breaches of trust. Europe still has far more common interests with a Trumpist US than with China. America destroyed most of the trust it could count on before Trump but it's still way safer to rely on American companies in areas where Europe lacks viable local alternatives. My man. If Trump has proven anything over the last 2 years, it's that the checks and balances in the US have completely broken down. Right now, US is a country invading other countries on a whim, threatening their own allies, and creating economic instability in the world. They have a felon and a pedo at the helm, and absolutely no one is stopping him. China is doing none of that. That's not to say China is a good country, but right now, at this very moment, I would rate them more trustworthy than the US.
Instead China arms Iran and Russia, is slowly attempting to annex the south China sea, is rapidly rearming to prepare for an invasion of Taiwan, creates police stations in our countries to keep tabs on Chinese abroad, subsidises their industries to such an extent that it floods the rest of the world with their exports, restricts exports of critical minerals to the EU when we were not even part of the trade war, and I'm sure there's other things I've missed. I share your criticism of the Trump administration but China is not more trustworthy.
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On May 24 2026 17:46 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2026 05:40 Excludos wrote:On May 23 2026 23:26 Sent. wrote:
Hey hey slow down. An irrational democracy with strong checks and balances is a way more preferable partner than a one-party dictatorship with a long history of IP theft, espionage, and other breaches of trust. Europe still has far more common interests with a Trumpist US than with China. America destroyed most of the trust it could count on before Trump but it's still way safer to rely on American companies in areas where Europe lacks viable local alternatives. My man. If Trump has proven anything over the last 2 years, it's that the checks and balances in the US have completely broken down. Right now, US is a country invading other countries on a whim, threatening their own allies, and creating economic instability in the world. They have a felon and a pedo at the helm, and absolutely no one is stopping him. China is doing none of that. That's not to say China is a good country, but right now, at this very moment, I would rate them more trustworthy than the US. Instead China arms Iran and Russia, is slowly attempting to annex the south China sea, is rapidly rearming to prepare for an invasion of Taiwan, creates police stations in our countries to keep tabs on Chinese abroad, subsidises their industries to such an extent that it floods the rest of the world with their exports, restricts exports of critical minerals to the EU when we were not even part of the trade war, and I'm sure there's other things I've missed. I share your criticism of the Trump administration but China is not more trustworthy.
*Shrug*, we can easily accept all of that, as demonstrated by what we're currently accepting.
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On May 24 2026 17:46 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2026 05:40 Excludos wrote:On May 23 2026 23:26 Sent. wrote:
Hey hey slow down. An irrational democracy with strong checks and balances is a way more preferable partner than a one-party dictatorship with a long history of IP theft, espionage, and other breaches of trust. Europe still has far more common interests with a Trumpist US than with China. America destroyed most of the trust it could count on before Trump but it's still way safer to rely on American companies in areas where Europe lacks viable local alternatives. My man. If Trump has proven anything over the last 2 years, it's that the checks and balances in the US have completely broken down. Right now, US is a country invading other countries on a whim, threatening their own allies, and creating economic instability in the world. They have a felon and a pedo at the helm, and absolutely no one is stopping him. China is doing none of that. That's not to say China is a good country, but right now, at this very moment, I would rate them more trustworthy than the US. Instead China arms Iran and Russia, is slowly attempting to annex the south China sea, is rapidly rearming to prepare for an invasion of Taiwan, creates police stations in our countries to keep tabs on Chinese abroad, subsidises their industries to such an extent that it floods the rest of the world with their exports, restricts exports of critical minerals to the EU when we were not even part of the trade war, and I'm sure there's other things I've missed. I share your criticism of the Trump administration but China is not more trustworthy.
This is all true. To reiterate, China is not the good guys in any measure. But they also haven't invaded 2 countries in the last 6 months and purposefully created economic instability in the world.
Also, maybe I'm naive, but I see nothing changing in terms of Taiwan any time soon. China's best bet to invade was right after Russia invaded Ukraine, and they've held back. They know that they're currently undergoing an economic boom, with China settling themselves at the very top of the world economy. Invading Taiwan would be a massive mistake in terms of their own growth, and other than a bit of land that is the island itself, they stand to gain nothing.
They've been posturing for decades, and they're going to continue to posture. But the window for invasion has passed.
edit: And if they do invade, it'll be because the Trump gives them the go-ahead. Which is an equal detraction from the US as China. So the US would still be seen as less trustworthy. But we are scraping the bottom of the barrel here
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