Russo-Ukrainian War Thread

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Falling

Canada11328 Posts

12 hours ago

#16281

1. If that happened, I think that Ukraine wouldn't bomb hospitals and civilian buildings no matter what kind of targets are there, for a few reasons, no matter what kind of targets are there, for a few reasons, main one being the morality of such actions

Hospitals can lose their protective status if the other side uses them for harmful purposes:

ART. 19. — The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled
shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their
humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may,
however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all
appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning
has remained unheeded.

The fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are
nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and
ammunition taken from such combatants and not yet handed to the
proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the
enemy.

The protective status of hospitals is not absolute and can be removed and still be moral or at the very least operating within the restrictions of the Geneva convention. But why make up hypothetical war crimes? I've already seen Russian drone footage targeting a clearly marked ambulance in contravention to the Geneva convention.

CuddlyCuteKitten

Sweden2582 Posts

11 hours ago

#16282

On May 19 2025 22:47 Jankisa wrote:

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On May 19 2025 22:15 Harris1st wrote:

On May 19 2025 18:31 Jankisa wrote:
Let's put the comparison in real terms. A nice what if scenario, we just move the dials a bit on the power balances. Important note: Putin and Russia for some reason decide that they won't threat with nukes or consider using them at all.

Let's say that on Feb 22 Russia attacked, just like they did. Let's say that the US has been preparing for this since 2014, after Crimea and Donbas and Luhansk Obama declared unlimited friendship and providing of the most modern weapons US has to give, F-35's, 2000 LB bombs, best AA and other systems, on top of unlimited intelligence sharing.

Then, in 2022 the attack gets repelled and squashed within 3 days, Russians are driven away from around Kyiv, Kherson, Kharkiv, then Ukrainian forces march on and during the next few months they, with support from US who parked an aircraft Carrier group in the Black Sea and provided support to Ukrainian navy who crushed and driven Russian one all the way to Sevastopol.

Ukrainians then proceed to bomb the shit out of Crimea, indiscriminately raining 2000 LB bombs on top of hospitals and civilian infrastructure that they claim was being used by Russian forces. They take Crimea.

They proceed and start a relentless bombing campaign and with thousands of civilian casualties over the next few months take whole Donbas and Luhansk.

They then set their sights at Kursk and Belgograd and start bombing campaigns.

I think we are around here on the timeline comparison, Israel is now doing things with an excuse of "stopping Hamas" that are completely unnecessary, but they "need their security", and I don't see why Ukraine shouldn't create a nice little buffer zones along border regions, taking a few cities and sending a message by bombing them relentlessly.

How many of you guys who are here with "but Hamas wants to destroy them" would be OK with Ukraine going this far?

I genuinely want to know, because to me everything beyond the first 3 months of Israel's operations in Gaza is collective punishment that constitutes war crimes and yes, at least an attempted genocide and 100 % ethnic cleansing.

I know that, for me, after Ukraine got it's territory back I would back the fuck up from my support of them as soon as they dropped a single bomb on actual Russian territory. I know that I'd probably start being very squirmy way before that, is it really, really necessary to bomb hospitals? Is punishing actual Crimean population really fair, after all, they joined Russia on false pretenses, with a rigged referendum, should they really be punished?

Not your actual question to the what if scenario, but with the conflict going as it was going, I think energy infrastructure and military buildings inside Russian borders are fair game. Schools, hospitals and shopping malls not so much. Sooner or later Russian military would probalby use those mentioned buildings for military purposes. Then they become fair game as well (in the hope civilians have evacuated and are not used as meatshields by Russian military).

With that, I firmly believe 2 things, I might be wrong, but that's what I believe:

1. If that happened, I think that Ukraine wouldn't bomb hospitals and civilian buildings no matter what kind of targets are there, for a few reasons, main one being the morality of such actions and secondary being how it would look outwardly
2. If Ukraine did it, none of their allies would be OK with it and pretend like it's a normal thing to bomb hospitals in a different country in order to secure yours

A hospital is a building with doctors and patients in it. If the war moves so it's on the frontline it won't have any doctors or patients in it because you don't run a hospital at the front. At that point it's just a building (or series of buildings if it's a big hospital). A very large, heavily reinforced building that usually has strategically placed entry points and several sublevels. Not an army on earth that wouldn't use it as a defensive strongpoint.
No doubt Russia would too and Ukraine would bomb it if they did.

The difference is that both Israel and Russia targets hospitals behind the frontline that are actively in use.

Manit0u

Poland17238 Posts

3 hours ago

#16283

On May 20 2025 02:18 Falling wrote:
But why make up hypothetical war crimes? I've already seen Russian drone footage targeting a clearly marked ambulance in contravention to the Geneva convention.

I think it goes beyond that. I've seen reports somewhere that ambulances and rescue vehicles have higher target priority for Russian than even regular military targets.

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