Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 648

On February 09 2024 22:59 2Pacalypse- wrote:

I guess I'm gonna be that guy and defend Tucker Carlson again, but reading this genuinely scared me. Just to clarify, are you saying that Tucker Carlson should be treated as a traitor to the United States and presumably jailed, or worse?

Attacking journalists in this way is a genuinely scary thought to me. Even if they're spewing things I don't agree with. Once you get into this territory of deciding who is undermining whose interests, you can go down some very dark paths.

On February 10 2024 04:29 zatic wrote:
It makes perfect sense. Admitting that Ukraine can hit Russian assets all to the bottom of the ocean makes Ukraine look strong and Russia look weak. It's in line with the continuous Russian fantasy that really they are at war with NATO, the US, or "Anglo-Saxons".

On February 10 2024 02:24 zeo wrote:

What even is this post?

Very few people in this thread haven't already read the same tired old throw-away lines you lob now without even thinking. We've been through all this before, remember? When you said the Washington Post, New York Times ect were the same level of source as random Telegram channnels and cartoon dog X profiles with names like xxx69_orckilla_69xxx and backline grifter rats making money from donations that never make it to the Ukraininans that need them? You've already forgotten?

You embarrassed yourself back then and stopped posting. Clearly you are still bothered by it, I can't see why else you would start projecting so hard out of the blue. Even if you stopped posting, who cares? We are all adults with our own lives, ohhh if I don't answer ever single post ever until the thread ends I might be perceived as losing, ohhh! If you have something to say post, if you are busy with life or feel you don't have anything to say thats ok too.

I've already gone two paragraphs into answering the first sentence of your low effort ramblepost, what do you expect me to do? Write detailed novella length university lectures to everyone who shitposts and do it all over again in a week once they pretend they have forgotten everything discussed and start the cycle again?

I mean, fantasy rants for you are multiple on the field journalists working on months long assignments to the front line where they have detailed interviews with the men in the trenches. Nah xxx69_orckilla_69xxx said 1000 Russians died in a missile strike, look at the pin on Google Maps, those reporters interviewing soldiers are Russian agents!!!1

Its silly. You can't even strawman properly in your last paragraph. I clearly marked that it was the X source of the video that hadn't been posted.

What is the point of your post? You fail every time you try

On February 10 2024 04:09 Excludos wrote:


Yes, but not for journalism. The guy is accepting money from a foreign entity that is acting against the interests of America, a foreign entity they are at proxy war with, to spread propaganda in behalf of said foreign entity. Tell me this shouldn't be treasonous, and tell me Putin would hesitate to do the same for much much less.

The thing that should scare you is how normalised corruption and bribery amongst US right wing fronted by Russia is, and how little is being done to stop it. It is an active attack on democracy and the free world, and we're sitting around with our thumbs far up our asses going "buh journalishm! histhory! Somethins something Hitler!"

Tucker Carlson isn't a journalist, he's a propaganda mouthpiece, and it didn't start with this interview. Tucker Carlson himself doesn't think he's a journalist either, so why should you?

On February 10 2024 02:05 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Didn't think it was a good idea to interview Putin but the memes are everywhere and pretty funny so idk.

On February 10 2024 05:40 maybenexttime wrote:

It's very simple. In Putin's mind (and that of most Russians), smaller nations have no agency. They are pawns of the few superpowers and anything happens inside their countries is due to machinations of those superpowers, be it coups, revolutions, or such. Since Ukraine is a pawn, it wouldn't possibly be able to conduct such an operation. And if it were, it would be on orders from the US. That's also why Putin would rather peace be negotiated between Russia and the US, and not Russia and Ukraine.

On February 10 2024 08:08 KwarK wrote:
Question is why would all these countries be so eager to get out from under Russian dominance.

On February 10 2024 03:38 Acrofales wrote:

I hope you mean decades. Also, I'd say that is undisputable for 30-40 years, but the balance of power with the soviet union was more even in the 50s-70s.

On February 10 2024 18:57 maybenexttime wrote:

Russians are one of the most cowed nations out there. Most of them can't comprehend the idea of other nations taking their destiny in their own hands because themselves they have outsourced all political power to the Kremlin. When you watch street interviews with average Russians on channels like 1420 or such, you'll notice how often people talk about being "apolitical" or "outside of politics". They frequently say things like "let those at the top decide, they know better".

This is consistent with the data from independent polling organizations. Depending on how you phrase the question, you can find the vast majority of Russians either supporting the war ("Do you support the actions of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine?") or in favor of peace talks ("Would you support the Kremlin in pursuing peace talks with Ukraine?"; can't find the link right now). Most Russians will support whatever decision the Kremlin makes regarding the war. You have roughly 15-20% of rabid nationalists of different flavors, 15-20% staunchly against the war, and 60-70% in that apolitical blob accepting whatever the Kremlin does. Most of those are still imperialists, ranging from patronizing to outright xenophobic.