EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 647
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9571 Posts
On February 09 2024 21:25 Excludos wrote: The reason this propaganda piece is getting called out is because it actively tries to (and likely will succeed) tricking a number of Americans to believe these lies, by using a familiar mouth piece to the right wing extremists. This actively undermines America's interests, and he should be treated as the traitor he is I guess I'm gonna be that guy and defend Tucker Carlson again, but reading this genuinely scared me. Just to clarify, are you saying that Tucker Carlson should be treated as a traitor to the United States and presumably jailed, or worse? Attacking journalists in this way is a genuinely scary thought to me. Even if they're spewing things I don't agree with. Once you get into this territory of deciding who is undermining whose interests, you can go down some very dark paths. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7459 Posts
On February 09 2024 22:59 2Pacalypse- wrote: I guess I'm gonna be that guy and defend Tucker Carlson again, but reading this genuinely scared me. Just to clarify, are you saying that Tucker Carlson should be treated as a traitor to the United States and presumably jailed, or worse? That is most definitely what Putin would do if the roles were reversed | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On February 09 2024 23:18 Harris1st wrote: That is most definitely what Putin would do if the roles were reversed I've learned that "What would Hitler do?" is not the most desirable guidance strategy in life. | ||
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ZeroByte13
801 Posts
On February 09 2024 23:18 Harris1st wrote: Yes, and isn't it a reason to not do this?That is most definitely what Putin would do if the roles were reversed | ||
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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
On February 09 2024 22:53 JimmiC wrote: Just to be clear, are you suggesting that the Tucker Carlson fans are the “normals”? And you also believe their point of view is the majority? Or was that just a dig at the thread? Not talking about Tucker fans though I guess you cannot really tell who is or who isn't. Quite a few 'I dont like Carlson but-' and then some neutral hot take. Normal people in the context of my post are just that, normal, litterate people that can articulate an opinion but absolutely do not follow anything to do with the conflict in Ukraine or dont care that much. And thats the vast majority of people. Again, its refreshing not to see the same old soapboxers with narcissistic personality disorders jerking each other off. On February 09 2024 22:59 2Pacalypse- wrote: I guess I'm gonna be that guy and defend Tucker Carlson again, but reading this genuinely scared me. Just to clarify, are you saying that Tucker Carlson should be treated as a traitor to the United States and presumably jailed, or worse? Attacking journalists in this way is a genuinely scary thought to me. Even if they're spewing things I don't agree with. Once you get into this territory of deciding who is undermining whose interests, you can go down some very dark paths. "Journalism is printing something that someone does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell | ||
KwarK
United States44449 Posts
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
You criticize ukraine that zelensky is a dictator, but you never said anything about putin, you say that ukraine is force moblizing while russia is doing it, ukraine loses an armored column on the offensive and you say it's a great strategic error but when russia loses armored columns we don't talk about it here but you don't either. And the list goes on. So where's your criticizing of putin and russia at? Also I like that people in europe and us who sucks russias dick would be put in prision if europe and us behaved like the russians that's the funny irony.. | ||
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FriedrichNietzsche
92 Posts
On February 09 2024 21:25 Excludos wrote: These "both sides" arguments always amuses me. It's like comparing a thief to a murderer. Yes, both sides are doing propaganda, obviously. At the root, anything that is meant to induce patriotism is propaganda. But it's comparing apples to oranges. Only one side is actively blasting blatantly false propaganda pieces with the not-so-subtle promise of swift executions if you don't fall in line. Ukraine bends the truth by focusing on their victories. Russia blatantly lies with every breath. The reason this propaganda piece is getting called out is because it actively tries to (and likely will succeed) tricking a number of Americans to believe these lies, by using a familiar mouth piece to the right wing extremists. This actively undermines America's interests, and he should be treated as the traitor he is If you are truly knowledgable of history I'm not so sure who is the thief and who is the murderer. In fact one could argue very reasonably that USA is the biggest villain of them all and has the mightiest Propaganda bar none. Whatever not a hill anyone needs to die on.. Every big Power in the world uses propaganda.. whatevs.. | ||
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KwarK
United States44449 Posts
On February 10 2024 00:01 FriedrichNietzsche wrote: If you are truly knowledgable of history I'm not so sure who is the thief and who is the murderer. In fact one could argue very reasonably that USA is the biggest villain of them all and has the mightiest Propaganda bar none. If one was an idiot. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7459 Posts
On February 09 2024 23:33 ZeroByte13 wrote: Yes, and isn't it a reason to not do this? Absolutely! That is what freedom of speech is for (as long as it stays in the confinement of laws obviously) | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On February 10 2024 00:00 sertas wrote: zeo you have huge double standards. Every single thing you criticize ukraine for, russia does aswell, and it's confirmed. In this thread we never talk about it, but you never bring it up, why? You claim you are unbiased and since we don't in this thread talk about it, why arent you bringing it up? You criticize ukraine that zelensky is a dictator, but you never said anything about putin, you say that ukraine is force moblizing while russia is doing it, ukraine loses an armored column on the offensive and you say it's a great strategic error but when russia loses armored columns we don't talk about it here but you don't either. And the list goes on. So where's your criticizing of putin and russia at? Also I like that people in europe and us who sucks russias dick would be put in prision if europe and us behaved like the russians that's the funny irony.. Its a lot more frustrating when he goes on a tirade about people's sources and what they post in the thread we have to go on a whole run around discussing it but when he gets confronted about the shit he posts he goes silent. dudes so lost in the pro russian sauce he refuses to even call them Ukrainian troops and goes on fantasy rants about how screwed Ukraine is. Uses the terms he sees in his circle jerk telegram threads like they're widely accepted. Has the balls to talk about how "normal people" are the ones that support a guy who in court said he was not a journalist but an entertainer. dude didn't even read the thread enough to know the interview was already posted and people still treat this guy with good faith. He watches a heavily edited interview and says "ah jeeze look at this no notes guy speaking clearly and with no one helping him other than the ear piece hes wearing and anything off screen he could be useing. | ||
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FriedrichNietzsche
92 Posts
Would you care to elaborate? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i0.wp.com/rationalpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/d9shdvzwkaimpzi.jpg?fit=810%2C810&ssl=1) not saying this is all there is to it or anything of that kind.. But to say to look at the world in a more nuanced way than "USA good everyone else bad!" makes you an idiot is funny. Im not even saying I would argue that way. But calling it idiotic or unreasonable unless you literally studied history and are insanely knowledgable sounds sus to me personally? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22705 Posts
On February 09 2024 22:59 2Pacalypse- wrote: Prosecution of journalists is indeed a concern and a very slippery slope.I guess I'm gonna be that guy and defend Tucker Carlson again, but reading this genuinely scared me. Just to clarify, are you saying that Tucker Carlson should be treated as a traitor to the United States and presumably jailed, or worse? Attacking journalists in this way is a genuinely scary thought to me. Even if they're spewing things I don't agree with. Once you get into this territory of deciding who is undermining whose interests, you can go down some very dark paths. Fortunately for us the courts have already answered this. He, and Fox, successfully argued real hard in court that he is an entertainer, not a journalist, and no reasonable viewer should actually believe what he is saying. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5914 Posts
On February 09 2024 20:41 zatic wrote: Putin white washing actual Nazis is totally on brand. I wonder if he even realizes that he's comparing himself to Hitler, considering how he frames his motivation for the invasion of Ukraine in exactly the same way Hitler justified his invasion of Poland. Putin and Russia are gradually embracing what they are. The West should take note. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2914 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
On February 10 2024 00:14 Sermokala wrote: Its a lot more frustrating when he goes on a tirade about people's sources and what they post in the thread we have to go on a whole run around discussing it but when he gets confronted about the shit he posts he goes silent. dudes so lost in the pro russian sauce he refuses to even call them Ukrainian troops and goes on fantasy rants about how screwed Ukraine is. Uses the terms he sees in his circle jerk telegram threads like they're widely accepted. Has the balls to talk about how "normal people" are the ones that support a guy who in court said he was not a journalist but an entertainer. dude didn't even read the thread enough to know the interview was already posted and people still treat this guy with good faith. He watches a heavily edited interview and says "ah jeeze look at this no notes guy speaking clearly and with no one helping him other than the ear piece hes wearing and anything off screen he could be useing. What even is this post? Very few people in this thread haven't already read the same tired old throw-away lines you lob now without even thinking. We've been through all this before, remember? When you said the Washington Post, New York Times ect were the same level of source as random Telegram channnels and cartoon dog X profiles with names like xxx69_orckilla_69xxx and backline grifter rats making money from donations that never make it to the Ukraininans that need them? You've already forgotten? You embarrassed yourself back then and stopped posting. Clearly you are still bothered by it, I can't see why else you would start projecting so hard out of the blue. Even if you stopped posting, who cares? We are all adults with our own lives, ohhh if I don't answer ever single post ever until the thread ends I might be perceived as losing, ohhh! If you have something to say post, if you are busy with life or feel you don't have anything to say thats ok too. I've already gone two paragraphs into answering the first sentence of your low effort ramblepost, what do you expect me to do? Write detailed novella length university lectures to everyone who shitposts and do it all over again in a week once they pretend they have forgotten everything discussed and start the cycle again? I mean, fantasy rants for you are multiple on the field journalists working on months long assignments to the front line where they have detailed interviews with the men in the trenches. Nah xxx69_orckilla_69xxx said 1000 Russians died in a missile strike, look at the pin on Google Maps, those reporters interviewing soldiers are Russian agents!!!1 Its silly. You can't even strawman properly in your last paragraph. I clearly marked that it was the X source of the video that hadn't been posted. What is the point of your post? You fail every time you try | ||
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KwarK
United States44449 Posts
On February 10 2024 01:04 FriedrichNietzsche wrote: Would you care to elaborate? + Show Spoiler + not saying this is all there is to it or anything of that kind.. But to say to look at the world in a more nuanced way than "USA good everyone else bad!" makes you an idiot is funny. Im not even saying I would argue that way. But calling it idiotic or unreasonable unless you literally studied history and are insanely knowledgable sounds sus to me personally? The biggest villain of all is quite a claim. Out of all villains they’re the biggest? And your support for this is an internet meme picture? No, I don’t think I will spend the effort to debate you on this. Perhaps you could go find a pro America meme picture that disproves your anti America meme picture. I’m pretty sure that’s how historical research works. | ||
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FriedrichNietzsche
92 Posts
I never said Im going to do historical research here & now (with that post in particular).. I didnt ask for a debate either.. USA is (pretty much unarguably) the most powerful entity for the last ~ 7 I think I will try to be a bit more friendly than you and just accept that we could agree to disagree. Nothing like "Idiot" needed there on my part  Fine with me. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18494 Posts
On February 10 2024 03:31 FriedrichNietzsche wrote: kudos for ignoring what I write and focusing on the meme picture.. I never said Im going to do historical research here & now (with that post in particular).. I didnt ask for a debate either.. USA is (pretty much unarguably) the most powerful entity for the last ~ 7 centuries. If you cant see how power could at least have sth. to do with also (ab)using that said power I'm sorry - we live on different intellectual planets, apparently. I think I will try to be a bit more friendly than you and just accept that we could agree to disagree. Nothing like "Idiot" needed there on my part Fine with me. I hope you mean decades. Also, I'd say that is undisputable for 30-40 years, but the balance of power with the soviet union was more even in the 50s-70s. | ||
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